Some Basic Islamic Beliefs

[Bevlina]

No, I read the O.T. also Peaceful. And, don't you think it's enough for a christian to read both the Old and New Testaments without adding a book which holds no interest to true christians?

 

[Alessandro]

Amen

Jesus IS the Way.

 

[peaceful soul]

Dude. Come on. Just because the Qur'an glorifies God alone, and honors all His Messengers..you will accuse it of being evil? We are all God's children.

Momentum, evil by God's definition, does include anything that purposefully denies the spilled blood of Jesus Christ as part of the propitiation of our sins. That does not mean that the people who practice Islam or any other religion are evil in the sense that the word is used by us in common language today.

Satan knows too well that if he can get people like you to think only of Glorifying God and not see the misleadings contained in your trusted book, he has won the battle over your soul. You will remain blind until God's light shines upon you. That can only happen once you stop doing things such as taking Bible verses and trying to authenticate Muhammad with prophesies of said Bible, thus turning God's original and inspired word to us into a watered-down book with no power to save us from eternal doom.

Bible teaches that the ends does not justify the means. Just because an act is deemed good in your eyes, does not automatically translate into goodness. The Bible clearly states that not all that is good comes from God, but that which is of God produces goodness 100% of the time. Who's goodness? God's goodness - not ours. And for whom. His glory - not ours. Your Quran takes that quality from Him and makes a goodness based upon you own seemingly good works, which have no spiritual value.

We are not all God's children. We all are God's creation. Only children are inheriters either by blood or by adoption. Jesus was by blood and the believers, by faith, which produces good works via Holy Spirit. The good works don't come from us but through us if we allow them to.

Now I hope a lightbulb comes on for you and others.

 

[peaceful soul]

No, I read the O.T. also Peaceful. And, don't you think it's enough for a christian to read both the Old and New Testaments without adding a book which holds no interest to true christians?

I stay in the word. That is my life. Yes, with the OT and NT, we have our hands full. I still think it is good exercise to ocassionally read other texts from other things than Bible. Believe it or not, God still can teach us about ourselves other than the Bible. Also, it serves us good to understand others when we come to witness to them. Having some background of their beliefs doesn't hurt our witness either. That is my 2 cents worth.

Blessings from God be upon all of you.

peace..........

 

[Jesusfreekwanabe]

Nooooooooo...

If it's proof of anything it's proof you worship God differently. You both worship the God of Abraham, you just disagree on the nature of that God, much the same way as Christianity and Judeaism.

whaoa Whoa , Ok so let me get this stright in your own eyes it is ok to worship a God who has clearly set down laws and princabels that u shale worship me in no other way but withen the "walls" he gives us

Jesus is the way the truth and the life NOBODY !, comes to the father but Buy him .

islam it seems we have just proven - or staed with good casue that is is differnt there for wrong . ( sadly im short of time )

 

[Mephster]

No, I read the O.T. also Peaceful. And, don't you think it's enough for a christian to read both the Old and New Testaments without adding a book which holds no interest to true christians?

Bevlina. . . .

Well, on that subject.... does your Bible contain 66 or 73 books? It seems that there is a discrepancy among Christians on this point.

 

[Bevlina]

Mephster, I believe we have enough books in the Old and New Testament to be able to grasp everything there is to do with our Saviour. The Old Testament points to our Messiah coming as in Psalm 22 amid other pointers. It matters little whether or not books have been omitted from the Bible. What does matter is that He came, and He conquered. He is the Son of God. The WORD. We don't care about ommissions. We have all we need.

 

[Mephster]

Mephster, I believe we have enough books in the Old and New Testament to be able to grasp everything there is to do with our Saviour. The Old Testament points to our Messiah coming as in Psalm 22 amid other pointers. It matters little whether or not books have been omitted from the Bible. What does matter is that He came, and He conquered. He is the Son of God. The WORD. We don't care about ommissions. We have all we need.

Well, it seems.... based on all of my research and experience that the number of books in the bible DOES matter to Christians. I believe, throughout history a great number of arguments, schisms, and battles have been fought over the matter.

And I looked at Psalm 22. Its not terribly messianic. I would suggest that Psalm 2 is actually more messianic in nature. However, even with that Psalm, "Anointed One" does not necessarily mean "Jesus" as its referent. Of course a Christian interprets it thus, but it is not necessary to interpret the text in that manner.

 

[Bevlina]

Mephster, explain all you like. You turned your back on the only man who died to give you life.

 

[Mephster]

Mephster, explain all you like. You turned your back on the only man who died to give you life.

And you can say all the trite sayings you like, but that's not going to change the fact that it is dubious that Jesus = God.

 

[Alessandro]

That is to you Meph, but to those who believe Jesus and have experienced God through Him it is beyond doubt or uncertainty.

 

[Mephster]

That is to you Meph, but to those who believe Jesus and have experienced God through Him it is beyond doubt or uncertainty.

Oh I agree completely. Christians experience God through Jesus... and Muslims experience God via the Qur'an and Allah. And I sincerely dislike the head-butting some folks do where they pit one experience against another. If one experience is held to be valid, so must another.

 

[Alessandro]

There is a difference though between one experience and another so called "experience".

 

[Mephster]

There is a difference though between one experience and another so called "experience".

Actually, no.

Taking a classic reading of the matter (William Alston - Christian professor) defines "Religious Empiricism" as the view that religious experience can directly justify beliefs. He proceeds and develops criteria under which fall the typical examples of "religious experience." The ultimate conclusion reached is that under the criteria, no one can say that one experience is different (as far as validity) than another experience.

Lots more has been written on this epistemological discussion. But it really seems impossible to argue for the truth of one religion over another based solely on personal religious experience.

 

[Bevlina]

Mephster...didn't you hear me say He is the Son of God? But, she'll be right! When you come to the true understanding of Jesus being the Son of God. He'll be there to greet you back to Him with open arms. Why OH WHY, do people not just study the words of Jesus. He said "Follow Me"...

 

[Bevlina]

And you can say all the trite sayings you like, but that's not going to change the fact that it is dubious that Jesus = God.

 

[Mephster]

Mephster...didn't you hear me say He is the Son of God? But, she'll be right! When you come to the true understanding of Jesus being the Son of God. He'll be there to greet you back to Him with open arms. Why OH WHY, do people not just study the words of Jesus. He said "Follow Me"...

Okay, I hope you do not take offense to what I say here... its not meant to be offensive to you. I am merely expressing my honest opinion on what you wrote.

"Jesus" isn't accessible. The metaphors that you are using "open arms" and such, is just a line to make people feel emotionally good. Let's face it, I walk into a Christian church.... Jesus isn't going to be there. Metaphors are nice... and wonderful in poetic works. But in reality they can be misleading and harmful.

I would study the words of Jesus. But we do not have them. We have only the words of Mark and Matthew, Luke and John. No words of Jesus.

As far as "follow me". . . . so did Gen. Douglas A. MacArthur, George Washington, and Terry Bradshaw. A lot of folks say "follow me," but I would rather only follow God.

 

[Bevlina]

It's your life Memph. No offence taken. But why don't you have the words of Jesus if you have the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John?

 

[peaceful soul]

It's your life Memph. No offence taken. But why don't you have the words of Jesus if you have the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John?

Belvina, without the Holy Spirit, none of this will make sense to Mephster. He does not know what He is missing: a true, intimate relationship with God, whereby he can know and understand all spiritual truths.

Mephster, We do have the words of Christ. The spritual medium used to relay them is the Holy Spirit and the physical medium is the writings of man. This is how personal God is; he deals directly with the very one that needed the message (us). The Holy Spirit will make a believer out of you. You must be willing to be drawn by it; otherwise, it will be impossible to know and understand why we speak and understand a different language than the rest of the world.

 

[Bevlina]

Belvina, without the Holy Spirit, none of this will make sense to Mephster. He does not know what He is missing: a true, intimate relationship with God, whereby he can know and understand all spiritual truths.

Mephster, We do have the words of Christ. The spritual medium used to relay them is the Holy Spirit and the physical medium is the writings of man. This is how personal God is; he deals directly with the very one that needed the message (us). The Holy Spirit will make a believer out of you. You must be willing to be drawn by it; otherwise, it will be impossible to know and understand why we speak and understand a different language than the rest of the world.

A beautiful posting Peaceful and the absolute truth.