Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[enoob57]

None. What evidence can you put forth of an eternal creator?

Yes there is educated realities that highly support the existence of God:
Does God exist? | GotQuestions.org

 

[enoob57]

Do any adults believe in the Easter bunny?

That's my point ... God has said that all people by just beginning in His creation are without excuse for knowing that He 'IS'
Does God exist? | GotQuestions.org

I don't really see how it's an attack on the Bible; perhaps you could be more specific.

God claims the Bible as His Word; even thought men have had part in it's formation... so to attack the Bible is to attack God! OR better to claim the Bible is in error is to say God's Word is not fully truth

John 17:14 (KJV)
[14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
[16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

 

[ottawak]

God claims the Bible as His Word; even thought men have had part in it's formation... so to attack the Bible is to attack God! OR better to claim the Bible is in error is to say God's Word is not fully truth

So it seems that the poster was not attacking the Bible, but merely dismissing what you in particulat think it means--which is not quite the same thing.

 

[Neogaia777]

You guys believe whatever it is you want to believe, or are going to believe, I'm out for awhile...

Going to do something more useful or productive for a little while, like play video games for awhile...

God Bless!

 

[Gene2memE]

Yes there is educated realities that highly support the existence of God:
Does God exist? | GotQuestions.org

Nothing presented there is evidence, except for that concerning personal experience.

What's given there are a bunch of variations on cosmological, moral and teleological apologetics, along with a series of claims, nonsense statements and at least a dozen formal and informal logical fallacies.

There's an equivocation about the term 'faith', several appeals to popularity, multiple instances of circular reasoning, at least three unsupported presuppositions, some question begging, some special pleading, cherry picking and a composition/division fallacy.

If this is the standard of what is being presented as apologetics, it's little wonder there's a shift away.

 

[Astrid]

Yes I enjoy learning things... it is quite pleasuable! Atheists are biased by there own thought and identifying of themselves.

These mysteries you speak of are (for me) indicators of the intensity of what is truly here... and the more we know the more is generated to be known. The existence of what we have began in humbles all to say the least...

of all gods generated in the minds of men: all seem to carry our qualities and highest goals are just more the same we have began in... greek gods were of this, Allah the highest of thought is virgins, atheist returning to nothingness, etc. However The God of The Bible is unique to itself and no other! Heaven according to God is not comparable to any of this we have began in...

If you began in a place where lies have been so cleverly constructed you could not recognize them as lies ... how would you expect to find the truth?

Every god is unique. Unique hardly means "special".
Or true. Or very different. Different also does not mean
special, or real.

Goose / gander wise, ask yourself that last questiom.

You appear to have some odd notions about science
and atheists so there is much to question.

As for myself, i find lies / misinformation dont stand up
well when they can be investigated.

The gods and religions out there, you cant check
on them. Lies can be, long have been stock- in - trade.
So yeah, tough to find out which one if any is " true".

Theres no way to check any of them so, i dont believe any of them

 

[Astrid]

Yes there is educated realities that highly support the existence of God:
Does God exist? | GotQuestions.org

How do you educate a reality

 

[AV1611VET]

Theres no way to check any of them so, i dont believe any of them

Do you know what to check for?

 

[Astrid]

So it seems that the poster was not attacking the Bible, but merely dismissing what you in particulat think it means--which is not quite the same thing.

Why attack the bible? Makes no sense.
No need for "attacks" anyway.

I do often see very confused, facile, and
betimes very mean spirited attacks on atheists and on science.

Its hardly an attack to defend with some
factual information.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why attack the bible? Makes no sense.

How about I test your statement by putting the Ten Commandments up on your courthouse lawn?

Watch your "educated reality" come to life right fast.

Bob Larson feared for his life at the University of Winnipeg, when the "educated reality" stormed the stage in 1995.

 

[Astrid]

That's my point ... God has said that all people by just beginning in His creation are without excuse for knowing that He 'IS'
Does God exist? | GotQuestions.org

God claims the Bible as His Word; even thought men have had part in it's formation... so to attack the Bible is to attack God! OR better to claim the Bible is in error is to say God's Word is not fully truth

John 17:14 (KJV)
[14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
[16] They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Somebody wrote that God said its his word.

Then others come along to claim they are gifted with
right reading ( gifted " of" god unto them)
so that all other interpretations are wrong.

 

[enoob57]

Theres no way to check any of them so, i dont believe any of them

I studied the Bible intensely by use of hermeneutics and have found it to be self evident truth that fits in the framework of life here and now...

How do you educate a reality

it is called a world view and through much study I have come to believe The Bible is true....

Then others come along to claim they are gifted with right reading ( gifted " of" god unto them)so that all other interpretations are wrong.

I believe the process of hermeneutics is accurate: grammar, contextualization (historical, social, cultural, etc)... arriving at a proper context is key and a lot of work... then one can take that and run it through the entire Bible to arrive at a unified thought process called theology. It is much work but to motivate one must ask themselves what good is it to believe in lies...

 

[ottawak]

I studied the Bible intensely by use of hermeneutics and have found it to be self evident truth that fits in the framework of life here and now...


it is called a world view and through much study I have come to believe The Bible is true....

I believe the process of hermeneutics is accurate: grammar, contextualization (historical, social, cultural, etc)... arriving at a proper context is key and a lot of work... then one can take that and run it through the entire Bible to arrive at a unified thought process called theology. It is much work but to motivate one must ask themselves what good is it to believe in lies...

And any intrpretation of Scripture but yours is a lie?

 

[Astrid]

I studied the Bible intensely by use of hermeneutics and have found it to be self evident truth that fits in the framework of life here and now...


it is called a world view and through much study I have come to believe The Bible is true....

I believe the process of hermeneutics is accurate: grammar, contextualization (historical, social, cultural, etc)... arriving at a proper context is key and a lot of work... then one can take that and run it through the entire Bible to arrive at a unified thought process called theology. It is much work but to motivate one must ask themselves what good is it to believe in lies...

Oh, many many people find great comfort, believing
in lies. Simple basic psychology, that, as I suppose you know.

As for the rest- your "world view" has no points
of contact with my way of understanding things.

East is east, west is west, and never the twain
shall meet.

 

[AV1611VET]

And any interpretation of Scripture but yours is a lie?

Would you know it, if it wasn't?

 

[AV1611VET]

East is east, west is west, and never the twain shall meet.

Don't bet on that.

There's a one-world government coming.

 

[ottawak]

Would you know it, if it wasn't?

I don't assume that anyone who voices an opinion different from my own must be lying.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't assume that anyone who voices an opinion different from my own must be lying.

Of course not. I don't either.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I find it quite telling how atheist attack the Bible but not the easter bunny...

I don't think atheists do attack the bible. IME, they criticise certain interpretations of it and the uses made of them.

The Easter bunny is a folkloric fertility symbol turned commercial asset, mostly cited in traditional celebrations of Spring, involving gifts & candy for kids. What's not to like?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes there is educated realities that highly support the existence of God:
Does God exist? | GotQuestions.org

Nothing there to show God exists. Armchair philosophy, confirmation of some scriptural history, and the beliefs and behaviour of a bunch of people are not evidence for the existence of God. And big bang theory says nothing at all about the creation of the universe. Simply saying that these things 'demonstrate the existence of God' doesn't make it true.

If you'd like to discuss anything in that article in more detail to see why that is the case (or, indeed anything else you feel is evidence for God), I'd be happy to discuss it.