Solo Scriptura and Sola Scriptura...is there a difference?

[Kristos]

I see how you are. I used to be "some" body.
You missed mine , but you were answered!

So, what's the answer? No, it doesn't work because we are all different place in our own understanding?

 

[sunlover1]

Originally Posted by Kristos

Why doesn't it work then? Why doesn't this normative practice norm anything? After 2000 years of norming, how much less normal could those who gather together be?
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Originally Posted by sunlover1

Hi Kristos
IKR? Like the filioque disagreement. Why? Same thing.
Why can't you give five students the same math lesson and have all of them "get it"? Same principle.
Because we're not all at the same level of understanding.
We're not all at the same level of maturity in Christ.
We're not all at the same level of anything.
But God's Word is still the best rule I know of.
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So, what's the answer? No, it doesn't work because we are all different place in our own understanding?

Why do YOU think there is a filioque disagreement?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Why do YOU think there is a filioque disagreement?

The EO was not being submissive? Ah, not passively, quietly, docilicly SUBMITTING to the denomination that claims all power for self? Did they do that 500 years before Luther, being the first Protestants? Does the EO have a problem with authority? Or did it simply not accept that power belongs to the one claiming all such for self?










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[Kristos]

Why do YOU think there is a filioque disagreement?

What does that have to do with SS? I don't mind answering but it would be extremely off topic.

 

[Kristos]

The EO was not being submissive? Ah, not passively, quietly, docilicly SUBMITTING to the denomination that claims all power for self? Did they do that 500 years before Luther, being the first Protestants? Does the EO have a problem with authority? Or did it simply not accept that power belongs to the one claiming all such for self?










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Is that your final answer?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The EO was not being submissive? Ah, not passively, quietly, docilicly SUBMITTING to the denomination that claims all power for self? Did they do that 500 years before Luther, being the first Protestants? Does the EO have a problem with authority? Or did it simply not accept that power belongs to the one claiming all such for self?

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Interesting. I have heard of the EOC being called denomination, but not Protestants.
Perhaps we should make a thread on that
I do have this poll thread concerning the RCC and EOC being a denomination

http://www.christianforums.com/t6948799/
Roman Catholic and Orthodox denominations?

No I do not view them as denominations

61 52.59%
Yes I view them as denominations

55 47.41%

 

[sunlover1]

What does that have to do with SS? I don't mind answering but it would be extremely off topic.

Because it's the same thing, isn't it?
(I am curious as well)

Because it was part of my answer:

Originally Posted by sunlover1

Hi Kristos
IKR? Like the filioque disagreement. Why? Same thing.
Why can't you give five students the same math lesson and have all of them "get it"? Same principle.
Because we're not all at the same level of understanding.
We're not all at the same level of maturity in Christ.
We're not all at the same level of anything.
But God's Word is still the best rule I know of.​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Kristos Why doesn't it work then? Why doesn't this normative practice norm anything? After 2000 years of norming, how much less normal could those who gather together be?

Can you be more specific on which essentials are disputed amongst orthodox evangelicals?

Are there any essentials that the EOC disputes concerning the RCC and/or Protestants?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

filioque disagreement?

The EO was not being submissive? Ah, not passively, quietly, docilicly SUBMITTING to the denomination that claims all power for self? Did they do that 500 years before Luther, being the first Protestants? Does the EO have a problem with authority? Or did it simply not accept that power belongs to the one claiming all such for self?

Is that your final answer?

... they are questions.

Do you desire to give your answer or opinion to them?





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[Kristos]

... they are questions.

Do you desire to give your answer or opinion to them?





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Completely off topic though - I wouldn't want to violate any CF rules...

I'm just going to assume that you have no answer and go on my way then.

 

[Kristos]

Are there any essentials that the EOC disputes concerning the RCC and/or Protestants?

That's a good question. But since the EOC doesn't claim to practice SS, it's irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Kristos]

Because it's the same thing, isn't it?
(I am curious as well)

Because it was part of my answer:

so you are asking about a disagreement between practitioners of SS concern the filioque clause in the creed? I have no idea about that. Since the creed isn't in scripture, I would be surprised that they would disagree over such a non-essential thing as the creed.

 

[sunlover1]

so you are asking about a disagreement between practitioners of SS concern the filioque clause in the creed? I have no idea about that. Since the creed isn't in scripture, I would be surprised that they would disagree over such a non-essential thing as the creed.

Kristos.
Is there a reason you've avoided my answer like the plague?
You first ignored me completely, and then when I reposted it
you've done nothing but divert as though you have no idea
what I'm talking about.

you ask WHY there are so many differing opinions if SS is such a good plan.
I ask WHY do two "the real churches" have such differing opinion on GOD Himself?

If you can answer THAT, you can answer the other.

WE humans is the problem.
Not Scripture.

 

[Kristos]

Kristos.
Is there a reason you've avoided my answer like the plague?
You first ignored me completely, and then when I reposted it
you've done nothing but divert as though you have no idea
what I'm talking about.

you ask WHY there are so many differing opinions if SS is such a good plan.
I ask WHY do two "the real churches" have such differing opinion on GOD Himself?

If you can answer THAT, you can answer the other.

WE humans is the problem.
Not Scripture.

The EO believe that there is only one church, so your question does not exist. But like I said, EO do not practice SS as it has been loosely defined here and there, so discussing why they find certain things essential and other thing non-essential is outside the topic of SS.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I get a chuckle out of ideas like this at times my friend.

The Holy Spirit is given to each born again Christian as the redemption of the purchase possession, but He is also given to lead us, that is each of us, into all the truth, just like the scriptures say,...

Do you see anything in that statement from Jesus declaring that The Holy Spirit would be constrained to only working through other men or groups of men? No you don't, that is something you just added to the written word with.

I don't care what excuse you give to somehow validate your statement, Jesus never promised it that way to us, as anyone can read. The Holy Spirit is not second best to a group of people.

Where in any of my statements did I attempt to constrain/limit the activity of the HS?

 

[sunlover1]

The EO believe that there is only one church, so your question does not exist.

Well it does exist, and the RCC does exist.
I was just trying to give you an analogy...

But like I said, EO do not practice SS as it has been loosely defined here and there, so discussing why they find certain things essential and other thing non-essential is outside the topic of SS.

[/QUOTE]
I see.
Well, you had asked why SS doesnt seem to "work" because people who
practice SS still end up with differing P'sOV.
And I answered with some analogies.

I will leave you with the analogy of the builder.
5 different men measure the same wall, using the same tape
yet come up with 5 different measurements.

WE are all unique, we all have different PsOV.
We all have preconceived ideas about God and
about the things of God.
So we "read" through different "lenses".

Does that make sense now?

 

[Dorothea]

Well it does exist, and the RCC does exist.
I was just trying to give you an analogy...


I see.
Well, you had asked why SS doesnt seem to "work" because people who
practice SS still end up with differing P'sOV.
And I answered with some analogies.

I will leave you with the analogy of the builder.
5 different men measure the same wall, using the same tape
yet come up with 5 different measurements.

WE are all unique, we all have different PsOV.
We all have preconceived ideas about God and
about the things of God.
So we "read" through different "lenses".

Does that make sense now?

I get what you're saying. But for us, the Church was always and had always "One Mind" in belief. So, they may differ on certain things, but not the dogmas and doctrines/teachings of the Church from the beginning.

Sorry. Felt compelled to answer that, and I know it's OT. So I'll not say anymore about it.

 

[sunlover1]

I get what you're saying. But for us, the Church was always and had always "One Mind" in belief. So, they may differ on certain things, but not the dogmas and doctrines/teachings of the Church from the beginning.

Sorry. Felt compelled to answer that, and I know it's OT. So I'll not say anymore about it.

Actually, it's not OT because the thread is about SS and Kristos was asking
how SS can be a good practice if so many disagree.
But to address what you said, and no offence but your church members are
not exempt from the human condition lol
We ALL have the mind of Christ, in that we all (HIS,... not those who SAY
that they are His. I'm talking about born again children of God here) hold
the thoughts and purposes of Christ in our hearts.
But we also all have differnent ideas about different things.
NO Matter what denomination you belong to. Even yours.

There is no way you and Kristos can hear a message and NOT filter it
through your own lens. You're two differnt people.

But yeah, going to Scripture when we want to check doctrine is a very
good and noble practice.
And I am sure you would agree with that... and perhaps Kristos
does not understand my analogies.

 

[Kristos]

Well it does exist, and the RCC does exist.
I was just trying to give you an analogy...

I see.
Well, you had asked why SS doesnt seem to "work" because people who
practice SS still end up with differing P'sOV.
And I answered with some analogies.

I will leave you with the analogy of the builder.
5 different men measure the same wall, using the same tape
yet come up with 5 different measurements.

WE are all unique, we all have different PsOV.
We all have preconceived ideas about God and
about the things of God.
So we "read" through different "lenses".

Does that make sense now?

[/QUOTE]

Then they need more training or their measuring devices need calibration. The wall did not change - it is only one height.

Your analogy leads me to think that SS accepts a plurality of "truth" based on perception - parallax error perhaps. Is this what you are saying? Faith is a relative thing subject to our own experience? That it's really more of an idea than an institution?

 

[file13]

I guess nobody can answer my question...or wants to.

I not only challenged your question, I also eventually preemptively answered the question you and ortho_cat, while making implications and dancing around it, would not actually ask and take a honest look the dividing issues. I even asked for clarity on a comment you made which made no sense (probably because of a typo).

So it seems that if anyone is not answering questions here, it's you brother.