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After weeks of this topic I am still no closer to a reason for why people follow sola scriptura the best argument is that it simply is a process because it is, and that this is based on selected quotes from either scripture or ECFs that ignores any evidence that praises tradition.
daydreamergurl15 said:Same could be said that after weeks of this topic no one presented clear evidence on why Holy Traditions and the Catechism is needed to fill the holes that some believe the Scripture has.
Not to mention the fact that Protestant views on SS are so varied they cannot agree on what it means or where it started. One says 'this is the view of SS' and another says 'No this is it' yet all will say SS is the only valid platform.
The Holy Spirit cannot be the author of confusion.
It is not a matter of filling holes but simply a recognition of the living Tradition and Church teaching authority in the light of which Scripture was produced. So, doesn't it make sense to interpret Scripture in the same light?
Same could be said that after weeks of this topic no one presented clear evidence on why Holy Traditions and the Catechism is needed to fill the holes that some believe the Scripture has.--And someone is going to argue that "that wasn't the topic" but if you didn't read all the posts, then you won't know why I said what I said. A lot of things were presented but like everything else, we pick and chose and justify what we want to.
Who has claimed this?NO but apparently the Holy Spirit can be the authority of contradiction, especially if you go by some of the "Holy Traditions" as some want to claim.
Give me some examplesLike, Scripture well tell you that there are certain qualifications for a Bishop, but we can put man in the Bishop position even if they don't meet that qualification and call it "tradition".
2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that the Scripture is God breathed and it's here so that the man of God "may be complete, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work". IF Scripture can make us complete, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work, then what more is needed to fulfill it?
NO but apparently the Holy Spirit can be the authority of contradiction, especially if you go by some of the "Holy Traditions" as some want to claim.
Like, Scripture well tell you that there are certain qualifications for a Bishop, but we can put man in the Bishop position even if they don't meet that qualification and call it "tradition".
I just gave you an example...Bishop..Who has claimed this?
Give me some examples
daydreamergurl15 said:2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us that the Scripture is God breathed and it's here so that the man of God "may be complete, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work". IF Scripture can make us complete, thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work, then what more is needed to fulfill it?
I just gave you an example...Bishop..
Look at 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and tell me that all of the "Bishops" in the Catholic Church meet those qualification.
What Holy Traditions are you speaking of? Traditions in the Catholic position relates wholly to the Sacraments which are of Divine Tradition not manmade.
Some of the Sacraments:
The Eucharist (bread and wine) is Christ speaking. Divine Tradition.
Confession is Christ speaking. Divine Tradition.
Marriage is Christ speaking on vows. Divine Tradition.
Baptism is Christ speaking. Divine Tradition.
Which Bishop in your opinion is in a position they are not qualified for?
1 Timothy 3:1-7
This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Do your Bishops meet ALL of these qualifications?
Paul tells Timothy that scripture is all one needs. But Timothy has only the OT and it's not the same one that Protestants have.
How do Protestants say that their bible is 'complete' when they don't have the same OT books?
I just gave you an example...Bishop..
Look at 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and tell me that all of the "Bishops" in the Catholic Church meet those qualification.
I'm not Catholic. I don't see the need to defend what they believe.
If you have anything specific to relate about my church, let me know.
No one denies that scripture is the word of God.
What you've not shown is that it is the only word of God (and given that Jesus is the Word of God you will be hard pressed to do so)
You also need to show how the OT was complete for Timothy's salvation and why we should follow only the OT. Timothy was directed by Paul.
Was the words Paul gave to Timothy also part of the 'complete' collection then, or only later?
Once again, since the NT is the result of a living Tradition, we Catholics believe in interpreting that Scripture in the light of the Tradition which produced it and.under the authority of the Apostolic Church.
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