Sola Scriptura

[Thekla]

Why not just put your faith in the Word of God, the pre-eternal Logos made flesh, Jesus Christ ?

 

[Albion]

Why not just put your faith in the Word of God, the pre-eternal Logos made flesh, Jesus Christ ?

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Another request that we do not insinuate that Scripture is of God?

 

[Montalban]

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Another request that we do not insinuate that Scripture is of God?

There's a difference between

a) Bible is the word of God

and

b) Bible is the ONLY word of God.

 

[Montalban]

I used to go to a church that said the Bible is the final authority, and I would think to myself, "No, God is the final authority." The point is that God can also speak to us through sacred Tradition and the teaching authority of the Church in addition to Holy Scripture. The three serve as pillars of Catholic faith.

And there are people here arguing that its the only word of God

 

[Montalban]

3. Your post has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura. The practice of embracing Scripture as the rule in the norming

I have lost count how many times you've said this. Have you got any reason for choosing this though?

 

[Standing Up]

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[Standing Up]

1. I think that number is zero.


2. There is no such thing as Sola Biblica. For reasons I don't understand, you continue to confuse Scripture with your tome with "Bible" written on the front. I agree that essentially, they are the same for the past 1900 years or so (and thus to today - when the practice is practiced) but they aren't identical prior to that. I don't know if you believe that all 27 NT books were written along with the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai or if you simply reject the OT as Scripture, but you need to remember that it's Sola SCRIPTURA, not Sola Novum Testamentum or Sola Biblica, and that those that embrace this practice generally accept both the OT and NT as Scripture.


3. Your post has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura. The practice of embracing Scripture as the rule in the norming of disputed dogmas among us has nothing to do with the worship of anything or anyone, or with the finding of any lost person or persons. Nothing. Let's try to stick to the issue of the thread - it would help. Thanks!



Pax


- Josiah





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Keep saying it over and over and over.

 

[Montalban]

So the argument for sola scriptura seems to be that it's not set out, but simply is a method one takes. Why? Who knows.

 

[Standing Up]

So the argument for sola scriptura seems to be that it's not set out, but simply is a method one takes. Why? Who knows.

Try telling us what it is.

 

[Montalban]

What what is?

 

[Standing Up]

What what is?

Or not.

 

[SolomonVII]

What's on second.

Who's on first? - YouTube


Hope that helps.

 

[Montalban]

Hope that helps.

It was a genuine question

 

[Montalban]

Why's sola scriptura the basis for discerning 'truth' when it's not based in scripture?

 

[LOCO]

Why's sola scriptura the basis for discerning 'truth' when it's not based in scripture?

Why indeed?

Whenever I have asked my Prot. friends I have never received an answer supported by irrefutable scriptural and historical evidence for SS.

 

[Montalban]

Why indeed?

Whenever I have asked my Prot. friends I have never received an answer supported by irrefutable scriptural and historical evidence for SS.

So far all I see is a repeat of something about norman normans etc., but not an explanation of WHY one should go down this route, especially as it's not based on scripture

 

[daydreamergurl15]

So far all I see is a repeat of something about norman normans etc., but not an explanation of WHY one should go down this route, especially as it's not based on scripture

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 3:16-17


MAY BE COMPLETE!!!

If Scripture is given to us so that we "may be complete", thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work, then what more would be needed so that we will be complete???

 

[Montalban]

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 3:16-17


MAY BE COMPLETE!!!

If Scripture is given to us so that we "may be complete", thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work, then what more would be needed so that we will be complete???

The problem still remains regarding your understanding of 'complete'.

This message was given by Paul to someone PRIOR to the NT being completed.

If I were to say

"Everything you need is in these 8 books" and then later said "Everything you need is in these 15 books" then you should be asking why was it that 8 books contained everything and now 15.

It doesn't answer how the bible came into being.

Some early canons didn't have all the books in the NT we now have.

The Protestant OT doesn't have all the books the Catholic or EO OT has

 

[Thekla]

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 3:16-17


MAY BE COMPLETE!!!

If Scripture is given to us so that we "may be complete", thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work, then what more would be needed so that we will be complete???

Completion as in "finished/fulfilled" is telos; the term Paul uses here is artios - fitted or fit.

So yes, Scripture is a gift from God, and prepares and informs us, but it does not complete us as in telos.

Nor do Tradition Churches argue against the use of Scripture; quite the opposite ! In my Church, it is called the "crown of Tradition". We reverence (cross ourselves and kiss) the Gospels, and in those Churches with pews, we stand when it is read in the Liturgy. We are exhorted to read the Scriptures daily, with the aim to live them. (There are still homilies extant from at least the 5th century on this.) In leaner times, families have been encouraged to fast from food in order to save to own a copy of the Bible.

 

[daydreamergurl15]

The problem still remains regarding your understanding of 'complete'.

This message was given by Paul to someone PRIOR to the NT being completed.

If I were to say

"Everything you need is in these 8 books" and then later said "Everything you need is in these 15 books" then you should be asking why was it that 8 books contained everything and now 15.

It doesn't answer how the bible came into being.

Some early canons didn't have all the books in the NT we now have.

The Protestant OT doesn't have all the books the Catholic or EO OT has

I have to go to work so I have no time to even dispute what you said especially because of what Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:14-15, so think of it anyway you want, but remember they had the Holy Spirit who taught then the word as well, but whatever....

At the end of the day, that verse said "All Scripture" it doesn't say "All Scripture + Holy Traditions + Catechism + anything else" it say "All Scripture". If you want to assume that "All Scripture" means ONLY OT, then interpret as only the OT makes you complete (even though we have Scripture that will disprove that notion in the NT). However way you flip it, argue it, or interpret it, it still says "All Scripture" and nothing else.