Sola Scriptura defined....

[Meowzltov]

Some people who believe in sola scriptura define it such that any religious practice/belief is permitted so long as it isn't forbidden by scripture. Are they wrong?

If that were true, than Catholic doctrines and practices would be Sola Scriptura.

The fact that those who claim to be Sola Scriptura also hold doctrines that are not in Scripture is simply evidence that Sola Scriptura doesn't hold up.

 

[Fidelibus]

alone means without works and yet everyone wants works to earn salvation so we can't turn to the bible, alone to discover the romans in error

By who's or what authority do you know this?

 

[tulipbee]

By who's or what authority do you know this?

Jesus

 

[Fidelibus]

Jesus

So Jesus Himself told you?:

alone means without works and yet everyone wants works to earn salvation so we can't turn to the bible, alone to discover the romans in error

Is that what you are saying? If so, in what manner? Scripture? Dream? Vision?

 

[tulipbee]

So Jesus Himself told you?:



Is that what you are saying? If so, in what manner? Scripture? Dream? Vision?

jesus said you can't save yourself without him

 

[Fidelibus]

jesus said you can't save yourself without him

That's not what was asked. When you said:

alone means without works and yet everyone wants works to earn salvation so we can't turn to the bible, alone to discover the romans in error

You replied:

Jesus

And I asked:

"If so, in what manner? Scripture? Dream? Vision?"

Or was it your Pastor, Church elder, friend? In other words, what's your source?

 

[thecolorsblend]

Wikipedia defines Sola Scriptura as...........

A fairly irrelevant point since I doubt half of the people on this forum who profess sola scriptura would agree with that definition.

You're welcome to create a poll out of it if you like.

 

[Meowzltov]

Jesus

Strange. Arminians say the same thing. You can't both be right. But you can both be confusing your own interpretation with "Jesus."

 

[tulipbee]

thanks for the multi quotes because at times the Catholics asks the weirest questions and still weird but maybe you thought my answers are unacceptable. all my replies returns to the bible as my sources so I'll tell you again. source = bible. but you want my answers to come from outside the bible as my source. typical catholic tricks. I won't give you any outside source. Sorry to bust your tradition bubbles. I believe I said scriptures as my source. questions from a catholic is always off the wall due to being built on the wrong fountdation, roots. this conversation is long so you'll need to get me on the same page like what do you think I'm talking about or what are you really responding to. you're talking to a guy who don't play mind games. first tell me what you think I think and maybe we can go from there. Roman questions mostly don't work. you'll need to get off that track and ask real questions. no games. What I think you think is in what authorty does the Roman denomination have to tell us that they must interpret the bible for us and we must not interpret the bible for ourselves, alone. this is an off-wall roman denominational tradition that is totally unauthorized with no biblical text proofs without sources

That's not what was asked. When you said:



You replied:



And I asked:

"If so, in what manner? Scripture? Dream? Vision?"

Or was it your Pastor, Church elder, friend? In other words, what's your source?

That's not what was asked. When you said:



You replied:



And I asked:

"If so, in what manner? Scripture? Dream? Vision?"

Or was it your Pastor, Church elder, friend? In other words, what's your source?

 

[tulipbee]

Strange. Arminians say the same thing. You can't both be right. But you can both be confusing your own interpretation with "Jesus."

your response must be coming from the Roman denomination telling you only they can interpret the bible for you and you can't interpret the bible for yourself. Jesus is the source if his own words so you'll need to get off the unauthorized tradition track and pick up the bible for yourself and read it without that much passion for the Pope

 

[Major1]

A fairly irrelevant point since I doubt half of the people on this forum who profess sola scriptura would agree with that definition.

You're welcome to create a poll out of it if you like.

You are welcome to your opinions.

As for a poll, the results would not make a bit of a difference to me my friend.

I do not and have and never will operate on the basis of what others think or believe.

 

[Fidelibus]

thanks for the multi quotes because at times the Catholics asks the weirest questions and still weird but maybe you thought my answers are unacceptable. all my replies returns to the bible as my sources so I'll tell you again. source = bible.

I take it you adhere to the doctrine of sola scriptura--the bible alone, correct?

but you want my answers to come from outside the bible as my source.

Not at all. As a adhereant to sola scriptura, I would hope you could answer questions strickly from the bible alone.

typical catholic tricks.

No "Catholic tricks". just sincere questions.

I won't give you any outside source.

You being a sola scripturists, I'd expect nothing more.

Sorry to bust your tradition bubbles.

We'll see about that.

I believe I said scriptures as my source.

Okay....Thats the topic of this thread, (Sola Scriptura-the bible alone being sufficient as a sole rule of faith) and the burden lies on you to prove that it is true. Agreed? Actually.... Being that I ( and the Catholic Church) do not adhere or believe in the practice of sola scriptura, I shouldn't have to prove anything. (Although I could)

questions from a catholic is always off the wall due to being built on the wrong fountdation, roots.

Well, if that's the case, you should have no problem at all answering them from your only source.... the "bible alone," right?

this conversation is long so you'll need to get me on the same page like what do you think I'm talking about or what are you really responding to. you're talking to a guy who don't play mind games. first tell me what you think I think and maybe we can go from there. Roman questions mostly don't work. you'll need to get off that track and ask real questions. no games.

Okay..... real questions followed by real answers..... agreed? I won't bombard you with a lot of questions all at the same time, just two or three. Is that acceptable? If so, I would hope you would return the courtesy by answering the specific questions reguarding sola scriptura. To begin:

1. Where in the Bible Is "Scripture Alone" taught?

2.Was it passed down from the apostles?

3. Who interprets Scripture?

What I think you think is in what authorty does the Roman denomination have to tell us that they must interpret the bible for us and we must not interpret the bible for ourselves, alone.

As a sola scripturists, I would think you'd know that Jesus promised a Church, a very "visible" Church, and Scripture shows what kind of Church this will be. It is an authoritative Church. This Church has the power to bind and loose (Matthew 16:19; 18:18; John 20:21-23). Take special notice the connection made to Peter as the new "chief steward" (Isaiah 22:15-25) of the kingdom of heaven (the Church) upon earth.

this is an off-wall roman denominational tradition that is totally unauthorized with no biblical text proofs without sources

Think I just proved otherwise, and please keep in mind, the Catholic Church does not teach, practice or believe in Sola Scriptura. The burden of proof lies on you to show where the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (SS) is found/taught in the bible as a sole rule of faith.... not mine.

 

[Phil 1:21]

When the words of men conflict with the word of God we need to determine which is greater.

"But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15b

 

[Major1]

thanks for the multi quotes because at times the Catholics asks the weirest questions and still weird but maybe you thought my answers are unacceptable. all my replies returns to the bible as my sources so I'll tell you again. source = bible. but you want my answers to come from outside the bible as my source. typical catholic tricks. I won't give you any outside source. Sorry to bust your tradition bubbles. I believe I said scriptures as my source. questions from a catholic is always off the wall due to being built on the wrong fountdation, roots. this conversation is long so you'll need to get me on the same page like what do you think I'm talking about or what are you really responding to. you're talking to a guy who don't play mind games. first tell me what you think I think and maybe we can go from there. Roman questions mostly don't work. you'll need to get off that track and ask real questions. no games. What I think you think is in what authorty does the Roman denomination have to tell us that they must interpret the bible for us and we must not interpret the bible for ourselves, alone. this is an off-wall roman denominational tradition that is totally unauthorized with no biblical text proofs without sources

You need to understand that our dear friend you are speaking with is a master at playing games.

If you have not seen that, you soon will.

 

[Major1]

thanks for the multi quotes because at times the Catholics asks the weirest questions and still weird but maybe you thought my answers are unacceptable. all my replies returns to the bible as my sources so I'll tell you again. source = bible. but you want my answers to come from outside the bible as my source. typical catholic tricks. I won't give you any outside source. Sorry to bust your tradition bubbles. I believe I said scriptures as my source. questions from a catholic is always off the wall due to being built on the wrong fountdation, roots. this conversation is long so you'll need to get me on the same page like what do you think I'm talking about or what are you really responding to. you're talking to a guy who don't play mind games. first tell me what you think I think and maybe we can go from there. Roman questions mostly don't work. you'll need to get off that track and ask real questions. no games. What I think you think is in what authorty does the Roman denomination have to tell us that they must interpret the bible for us and we must not interpret the bible for ourselves, alone. this is an off-wall roman denominational tradition that is totally unauthorized with no biblical text proofs without sources

Sola Scriptura my brother. The Bible is the Word of God or it is nothing but another book written by men.

Did God say it?
Can God lie?
Is hell real?

If and when we all get those the questions Biblically correct, the rest is a piece of cake.

 

[Major1]

thanks for the multi quotes because at times the Catholics asks the weirest questions and still weird but maybe you thought my answers are unacceptable. all my replies returns to the bible as my sources so I'll tell you again. source = bible. but you want my answers to come from outside the bible as my source. typical catholic tricks. I won't give you any outside source. Sorry to bust your tradition bubbles. I believe I said scriptures as my source. questions from a catholic is always off the wall due to being built on the wrong fountdation, roots. this conversation is long so you'll need to get me on the same page like what do you think I'm talking about or what are you really responding to. you're talking to a guy who don't play mind games. first tell me what you think I think and maybe we can go from there. Roman questions mostly don't work. you'll need to get off that track and ask real questions. no games. What I think you think is in what authorty does the Roman denomination have to tell us that they must interpret the bible for us and we must not interpret the bible for ourselves, alone. this is an off-wall roman denominational tradition that is totally unauthorized with no biblical text proofs without sources

I agree with your comments. It would however be easier to read and follow if you broke your comments up into different paragraphs. That way the thoughts will not run together.

 

[Fidelibus]

tulipbee, I hope that you won't let Maj1' comment on post #254......

You need to understand that our dear friend you are speaking with is a master at playing games.

deter you from our discussion. Please understand, these so-called "games" Maj1 is referring to, are nothing more than comments and or questions he had difficulty or simply couldn't answer. The questions/comments that may come up in our conversation, (questions he may have construed as difficult) you, in most likelihood may not. I would hope that he (Maj1) would give you the courtesy to figure that out for yourself.

Thank you.

 

[Meowzltov]

your response must be coming from the Roman denomination telling you only they can interpret the bible for you and you can't interpret the bible for yourself. Jesus is the source if his own words so you'll need to get off the unauthorized tradition track and pick up the bible for yourself and read it without that much passion for the Pope

Well, one can be of the opinion that the Catholic Church has no authority to interpret. It's an option. But there is no rational option to say that one has personal authority to interpret since such an idea has only led to sinful division within the Church. Bad doctrine leads to sin.

 

[Meowzltov]

typical catholic tricks.

"Tricks" implies deliberate deception. Back up your claim and document deliberate deception. Where in any of my posts have I, for example, shown that I am DELIBERATELY deceiving you?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Well, one can be of the opinion that the Catholic Church has no authority to interpret. It's an option. But there is no rational option to say that one has personal authority to interpret since such an idea has only led to sinful division within the Church. Bad doctrine leads to sin.

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit only allows scripture to be understood if one is at or above a certain rank within a particular denomination?