Good Day, As to the Church that would be all of the elect believers who have been adopted by the Father and given to to Son and gifted with the gift of faith and repentance.
And do you believe this Church to be visible or invisible?
I am not asking you “how” he learned it… But what was it that Paul taught Timothy that is not in scripture.. What is it not the basis nor the means. The what.
I believe the 'what' St. Paul is talking about 2Tim. 3:14 could be many differnt things. Like differnt forms of obedience he (Paul} talks about in 2Thess.2:15. Or, remembering those leaders in Heb.13:7-9, that spoke ('oral') to them the Word of God about not to be lead away by 'diverse and strange teachings' . If he were to be asked who these 'leaders' or 'diverse and strange teachings' are, how do you think he'd informed them who they were if it is not written in scripture? Orally?
The one thing we can be assured BBAS64, "what" St.Paul was not teaching Timothy in 2 Tim.3:14-17 is that the bible alone is sufficient as a sole rule of faith.
Matt 2:23 – yes the prophecies are in the OT which are the oracles of God given to the Jews.
Vines Greek word study Notes:
USCCB Bible notes:
[Matt.2:23] Nazareth…he shall be called a Nazorean: the tradition of Jesus’ residence in Nazareth was firmly established, and Matthew sees it as being in accordance with the foreannounced plan of God. The town of Nazareth is not mentioned in the Old Testament, and no such prophecy can be found there. The vague expression “through the prophets” may be due to Matthew’s seeing a connection between Nazareth and certain texts in which there are words with a remote similarity to the name of that town. Some such Old Testament texts are Is 11:1 where the Davidic king of the future is called “a bud” (nēser) that shall blossom from the roots of Jesse, and Jgs 13:5, 7 where Samson, the future deliverer of Israel from the Philistines, is called one who shall be consecrated (a nāzîr) to God.
1 Cor.10:4 – why do you assume it would be contained in the OT in order to be true. 1 Cor is God breathed out and is factually true and stand as fact because 1 Cor is scripture and is binding. Yes!
USCCB bible notes:
[10:1–5] Paul embarks unexpectedly upon a panoramic survey of the events of the Exodus period. The privileges of Israel in the wilderness are described in terms that apply strictly only to the realities of the new covenant (“baptism,” “spiritual food and drink”); interpreted in this way they point forward to the Christian experience (1 Cor 10:1–4). But those privileges did not guarantee God’s permanent pleasure (1 Cor 10:5).
[10:4] A spiritual rock that followed them: the Torah speaks only about a rock from which water issued, but rabbinic legend amplified this into a spring that followed the Israelites throughout their migration. Paul uses this legend as a literary type: he makes the rock itself accompany the Israelites, and he gives it a spiritual sense. The rock was the Christ: in the Old Testament, Yahweh is the Rock of his people (cf. Dt 32, Moses’ song to Yahweh the Rock). Paul now applies this image to the Christ, the source of the living water, the true Rock that accompanied Israel, guiding their experiences in the desert.
Gregory of Nyssa we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings.
St. Gregory of Nyssa also wrote on tradition and Church authority:
“Let [Eunomius] first show, then, that the Church has believed in vain that the Only-begotten Son truly exists, not made such through adoption by a Father falsely so-called, but existing as such according to nature, by generation from Him Who Is, not estranged from the nature of Him who begot Him…It suffices for the PROOF of our statement that we have a TRADITION coming down from the FATHERS, an inheritance as it were, by SUCCESSION from the Apostles through the SAINTS who came after them.” ( C. Eunomius 3(4) )
“…I say, that the Church teaches this in plain language, that the Only-begotten is essentially God, very God of the essence of the very God, how OUGHT one who OPPOSES HER DECISIONS to overthrow the preconceived opinion?” ( C. Eunomius 4,6 )
St. Gregory of Nyssa also wrote on the Holy Eucharist:
"Rightly then, do we believe that the bread consecrated by the word of God has been made over into the Body of the God the Word. For that Body was, as to its potency bread; but it has been consecrated by the lodging there of the Word, who pitched His tent in the flesh."-"The Great
Catechism [37: 9-13]"
St Gregory of Nyssa in Baptisim:
"Baptism is God’s most beautiful and magnificent gift. . . .We call it gift, grace, anointing, enlightenment, garment of immortality, bath of rebirth, seal, and most precious gift. It is called gift because it is conferred on those who bring nothing of their own; grace since it is given even to the guilty; Baptism because sin is buried in the water; anointing for it is priestly and royal as are those who are anointed; enlightenment because it radiates light; clothing since it veils our shame; bath because it washes; and seal as it is our guard and the sign of God’s Lordship."
Hmmm... none of these quotes I posted don't sound very Protestant, but very Catholic, wouldn't you agree?
Sooooo.... BBas64, If you accept the small quote you posted (out of context I might add) from St. Gregory at face value, do you also accept the the quotes I posted the same?
Just give your definition and we'll move on from there. What so difficult or dodgy about that? Sheesh!!
