Anglian
let us love one another, for love is of God
An interesting discussion, and one which, even more than is usual, we all approach from a personal and individual position.
To return to the OP, I suppose we have reached a place in this discussion where all one san say is that those who feel that sodomising their wife, or being sodomised by their husband is part of a loving and mutual respectful relationship, will feel that, whilst those who don't, will feel otherwise.
The wider point being made about lust by Joab is a good one. I have heard it said that if testosterone were an artifically created drug it would be available only on license, so strong are its effects. It is, however, a naturally occurring hormone with a strongly addictive element, and like many addictive substances, can, with prolonged use, require stronger and stronger doses to achieve the same effect.
Our society has elevated sexual gratification to the status of a right, but, as I suspect many women will know, and some men will be willing to confirm, that process is swifter and easier for men, and can, often, become the main motive for sexual contact with a woman. On the whole, most societies have sought to restrain this by evolving codes of conduct designed to protect women from it through courtship rituals, taboos around chastity, fear of unwanted pregnancy and the like.
One of the things that has happened in the West over the past 50 years is that many of these protections have been removed: some under the excuse of greater sexual openness, some under the excuse of the doing away with taboos, some in the name of women's liberation, and some in the name of greater freedom. The effects still remain to be seen, but it may be doubted whether male libertines have had greater freedom at any time in history.
From time to time, in my professional capacity, I see young women who are very concerned about the pressures on them to become sexually active before marriage; indeed, almost before they know the young man's name. All those 'freedoms' mentioned above, seem, for some, to restrict the freedom of some young women to say 'no'.
I am unsurprised to see the evolution of phenomena such as 'the silver ring thing'. Anything we can do, where parents, to encourage a responsible attitude towards these matters, we should do; including bridling our own tendencies towards lust if that is what it takes.
Peace,
Anglian
To return to the OP, I suppose we have reached a place in this discussion where all one san say is that those who feel that sodomising their wife, or being sodomised by their husband is part of a loving and mutual respectful relationship, will feel that, whilst those who don't, will feel otherwise.
The wider point being made about lust by Joab is a good one. I have heard it said that if testosterone were an artifically created drug it would be available only on license, so strong are its effects. It is, however, a naturally occurring hormone with a strongly addictive element, and like many addictive substances, can, with prolonged use, require stronger and stronger doses to achieve the same effect.
Our society has elevated sexual gratification to the status of a right, but, as I suspect many women will know, and some men will be willing to confirm, that process is swifter and easier for men, and can, often, become the main motive for sexual contact with a woman. On the whole, most societies have sought to restrain this by evolving codes of conduct designed to protect women from it through courtship rituals, taboos around chastity, fear of unwanted pregnancy and the like.
One of the things that has happened in the West over the past 50 years is that many of these protections have been removed: some under the excuse of greater sexual openness, some under the excuse of the doing away with taboos, some in the name of women's liberation, and some in the name of greater freedom. The effects still remain to be seen, but it may be doubted whether male libertines have had greater freedom at any time in history.
From time to time, in my professional capacity, I see young women who are very concerned about the pressures on them to become sexually active before marriage; indeed, almost before they know the young man's name. All those 'freedoms' mentioned above, seem, for some, to restrict the freedom of some young women to say 'no'.
I am unsurprised to see the evolution of phenomena such as 'the silver ring thing'. Anything we can do, where parents, to encourage a responsible attitude towards these matters, we should do; including bridling our own tendencies towards lust if that is what it takes.
Peace,
Anglian
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