so you know more than the pope?

[daniel82]

Theres a lot of people here who think they know everything about the Bible. so i looked up the pope and found this and i want to know who knows as much as he does,


From 1946 to 1951 he studied philosophy and theology in the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology of Freising and at the University of Munich.

He received his priestly ordination on 29 June 1951.

A year later he began teaching at the Higher School of Freising.

In 1953 he obtained his doctorate in theology with a thesis entitled "People and House of God in St Augustine’s Doctrine of the Church".

Four years later, under the direction of the renowned professor of fundamental theology Gottlieb Söhngen, he qualified for University teaching with a dissertation on: "The Theology of History in St Bonaventure".

After lecturing on dogmatic and fundamental theology at the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology in Freising, he went on to teach at Bonn, from 1959 to1963; at Münster from 1963 to 1966 and at Tübingen from 1966 to 1969. During this last year he held the Chair of dogmatics and history of dogma at the University of Regensburg, where he was also Vice-President of the University.

From 1962 to 1965 he made a notable contribution to Vatican II as an "expert"; being present at the Council as theological advisor of Cardinal Joseph Frings, Archbishop of Cologne.

His intense scientific activity led him to important positions at the service of the German Bishops’ Conference and the International Theological Commission.

In 1972 together with Hans Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac and other important theologians, he initiated the theological journal "Communio".

On 25 March 1977 Pope Paul VI named him Archbishop of Munich and Freising. On 28 May of the same year he received episcopal ordination. He was the first Diocesan priest for 80 years to take on the pastoral governance of the great Bavarian Archdiocese. He chose as his episcopal motto: "Cooperators of the truth". He himself explained why: "On the one hand I saw it as the relation between my previous task as professor and my new mission. In spite of different approaches, what was involved, and continued to be so, was following the truth and being at its service. On the other hand I chose that motto because in today’s world the theme of truth is omitted almost entirely, as something too great for man, and yet everything collapses if truth is missing".

Paul VI made him a Cardinal with the priestly title of "Santa Maria Consolatrice al Tiburtino", during the Consistory of 27 June of the same year.

In 1978 he took part in the Conclave of 25 and 26 August which elected John Paul I, who named him his Special Envoy to the III International Mariological Congress, celebrated in Guayaquil (Ecuador) from 16 to 24 September. In the month of October of the same year he took part in the Conclave that elected Pope John Paul II.

He was Relator of the V Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops which took place in 1980 on the theme: "Mission of the Christian Family in the world of today", and was Delegate President of the VI Ordinary General Assembly of 1983 on "Reconciliation and Penance in the mission of the Church".

John Paul II named him Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Pontifical Biblical Commission and of the International Theological Commission on 25 November 1981. On 15 February 1982 he resigned the pastoral governance of the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising. The Holy Father elevated him to the Order of Bishops assigning to him the Suburbicarian See of Velletri-Segni on 5 April 1993.

He was President of the Preparatory Commission for the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which after six years of work (1986-1992) presented the new Catechism to the Holy Father.

On 6 November 1998 the Holy Father approved the election of Cardinal Ratzinger as Vice-Dean of the College of Cardinals, submitted by the Cardinals of the Order of Bishops. On 30 November 2002 he approved his election as Dean; together with this office he was entrusted with the Suburbicarian See of Ostia.

In 1999 he was Special Papal Envoy for the Celebration of the XII Centenary of the foundation of the Diocese of Paderborn, Germany which took place on 3 January.

Since 13 November 2000 he has been an Honorary Academic of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

In the Roman Curia he has been a member of the Council of the Secretariat of State for Relations with States; of the Congregations for the Oriental Churches, for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, for Bishops, for the Evangelization of Peoples, for Catholic Education, for Clergy and for the Causes of the Saints; of the Pontifical Councils for Promoting Christian Unity, and for Culture; of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, and of the Pontifical Commissions for Latin America, "Ecclesia Dei", for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, and for the Revision of the Code of Canon Law of the Oriental Churches.

Among his many publications special mention should be made of his "Introduction to Christianity", a compilation of University lectures on the Apostolic Creed published in 1968; "Dogma and Preaching" (1973) an anthology of essays, sermons and reflections dedicated to pastoral arguments.

His address to the Catholic Academy of Bavaria on "Why I am still in the Church" had a wide resonance; in it he stated with his usual clarity: "one can only be a Christian in the Church, not beside the Church".

His many publications are spread out over a number of years and constitute a point of reference for many people specially for those interested in entering deeper into the study of theology. In 1985 he published his interview-book on the situation of the faith (The Ratzinger Report) and in 1996 "Salt of the Earth". On the occasion of his 70th birthday the volume "At the School of Truth" was published, containing articles by several authors on different aspects of his personality and production.

He has received numerous "Honoris Causa" Doctorates, in 1984 from the College of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota; in 1986 from the Catholic University of Lima; in 1987 from the Catholic University of Eichstätt; in 1988 from the Catholic University of Lublin; in 1998 from the University of Navarre; in 1999 from the LUMSA (Libera Università Maria Santissima Assunta) of Rome and in 2000 from the Faculty of Theology of the University of Wrocław in Poland.

I believe that i know more than the Pope because i know what a elder/bishop is. I believe that i know more than the pope because if the bible doesn't say don't do something doesn't mean i can add it in. No where in the bible does anyone pray to anyone except to God the father Even Jesus prays to God the Father. In the bible it says that were not to call anyone Father or rabbi Matt 23:8. I know more than the Pope because i know the so called missing books aren't missing they don't belong they are false, If My Heavenly Father was with me in the old testament and only with my people because we were his people Then how did and Why was our scripture written in a total different language and the Holy Ghost didn't give the power to speak tounges until the new testament. Why do none of the books in the bible refrence back to none of those missing books, but the new testament and the old testament corespond like there suppossed to. Im know more than the Pope because i know that the apostles already left guidence on how the Church was to be organized and ran because they learned while they were with Jesus, so why does the pope's keep changing it over the years. The world and times may change but the word of God Doesn't. I know more than the Pope because I know there is only one true head of the Church. I know the apostles were bishops/Elders over their own congregation not over the whole church for there is only one master Jesus the Christ. Why would God let man whom he came to save rule over his Church how can man show another man how not to sin he can't thats why Jesus came he never sinned. Man always has. I know more than the Pope because i Know Peter wasn't a Pope 1 Peter 5:1-4 Please read peter was an elder over his church not Lord over Gods heritage, in this passage he is talking to the other elders at the other churches if a bishop was to be over the whole Church then he wouldn't be calling them the same title he holds. In the second verse it tells that Elders are to Feed the Flock among you meaning their own congregation. Feed meaning to Shepherd the Flock showing there is no man head shepherd on the earth. the head shepherd of the Church is Jesus the Christ. Truely i hope these words reaches someone and makes them think because none of the elders that Paul,Peter or none of the other apostles ordained over the Churches went to college to learn about the Bible or how to interpret Gods word its not a twisted riddle its not to any private interpretation. If Jesus went through everything i mean All he went through to get us His word to Start His Church do you really think he would let man keep out part of his word Do research on those missing Books the Old testament was written totally in Hebrew because that was the Language why are these other books written in Greek and in Latin if no one from the Old testament had ventured out that far and there is no mention of it neither in the Old or the New testament. But Please don't take my word for it Read the bible Please. IF it weren't for the Bible what would man know about God Anyone who tries to discredit the Bible is trying to discredit God

 

[Optimax]

In all fairness to the Protestants, they've been pretty cool. It's the Catholics like Meepy and Ivebeenshown that are going around calling people names and not being very good ambassadors for Our Lady. And I doubt the Holy Father would like it, either.

And the OP itself wasn't a fair question. The insinuation was that anybody who disagrees with the pope must think they know more than he does and that's not fair. Disagreeing with someone isn't a claim of knowledge or of truth. It just means they disagree. Well, of course they disagree. They're Protestants! Just as you disagree with them because you're Catholic. Does that mean that you know more than they do?

I just joined this morning but I've been lurking for about a week now. I've noticed that a lot of them really do know their stuff. A lot of them know a lot more than I do and I hope to learn something from them. I hope you're humble enough to admit that you can still learn something from someone you disagree with.

That is an attitude we can all learn from!

 

[bbbbbbb]

In all fairness to the Protestants, they've been pretty cool. It's the Catholics like Meepy and Ivebeenshown that are going around calling people names and not being very good ambassadors for Our Lady. And I doubt the Holy Father would like it, either.

And the OP itself wasn't a fair question. The insinuation was that anybody who disagrees with the pope must think they know more than he does and that's not fair. Disagreeing with someone isn't a claim of knowledge or of truth. It just means they disagree. Well, of course they disagree. They're Protestants! Just as you disagree with them because you're Catholic. Does that mean that you know more than they do?

I just joined this morning but I've been lurking for about a week now. I've noticed that a lot of them really do know their stuff. A lot of them know a lot more than I do and I hope to learn something from them. I hope you're humble enough to admit that you can still learn something from someone you disagree with.

Welcome, John. I must say that you are a breath of fresh air here. I look forward to your posts.

All the best,

bbbbbbb

 

[ivebeenshown]

In all fairness to the Protestants, they've been pretty cool. It's the Catholics like Meepy and Ivebeenshown that are going around calling people names and not being very good ambassadors for Our Lady. And I doubt the Holy Father would like it, either.

Whoa, when did I call anyone names?

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

In all fairness to the Protestants, they've been pretty cool. It's the Catholics like Meepy and Ivebeenshown that are going around calling people names and not being very good ambassadors for Our Lady. And I doubt the Holy Father would like it, either.

And the OP itself wasn't a fair question. The insinuation was that anybody who disagrees with the pope must think they know more than he does and that's not fair. Disagreeing with someone isn't a claim of knowledge or of truth. It just means they disagree. Well, of course they disagree. They're Protestants! Just as you disagree with them because you're Catholic. Does that mean that you know more than they do?

I just joined this morning but I've been lurking for about a week now. I've noticed that a lot of them really do know their stuff. A lot of them know a lot more than I do and I hope to learn something from them. I hope you're humble enough to admit that you can still learn something from someone you disagree with.

I would have to say that the poster you are speaking to has also been difficult to deal with. But that aside, thank you for your post. And I agree with my fellow brethren that you do have a good attitude and you are a breath of fresh air here. We need to remember that as followers of Jesus, we are His representatives to the world around us. Anyway, I wanted to tell you that I appreciate your post. Oh yeah, and welcome to Christian Forums! I, too, look forward to your posts. God bless you.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is a law of deminishing returns that comes with Alzheimer's and dementia

Not to mention wrinkles

Kindgdom Bible Studies Job
THE SECRET OF JOB

Rotherham) Job 12:12 In the ancient is wisdom, and [in] length of days understanding:

 

[Yarddog]

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account.

is that part in your messed up Bible?

Hello Ave Maria,

The Protestant Bible is not messed and such language is very divisive. Many Catholics don't understand the damage that they do when they post threads like this.

There is no doubt that Pope Benedict is a very knowledgeable and spiritual man and his vast studies in scripture rival about anyone's in Christianity today but what he understands is the need to control what he says so that he doesn't create a divide.

 

[Yarddog]

Sad sad world when we look to man for salvation.

Catholics look to the same one that you look to for our salvation. When Jesus was raised up to heaven he left behind men to be shepherds to the Church. Those are our clergy or Protestant's ministers. Shepherds can also include the laity because we are all shepherds and sheep.

 

[razeontherock]

Snipping an interesting bit out of a wall-of-text:

none of the apostles ordained over the Churches went to college to learn about the Bible or how to interpret Gods word its not a twisted riddle

Makes ya think, doesn't it? And yes, John Jay - welcome!

 

[ivebeenshown]

In all fairness to the Protestants, they've been pretty cool. It's the Catholics like Meepy and Ivebeenshown that are going around calling people names and not being very good ambassadors for Our Lady. And I doubt the Holy Father would like it, either.

Again... I don't think I called anyone a name here, sorry it's just that several times as a child I was left with a bad taste or with reprimand or something because of false accusations so I take these things very personally.

 

[sunlover1]

Again... I don't think I called anyone a name here, sorry it's just that several times as a child I was left with a bad taste or with reprimand or something because of false accusations so I take these things very personally.

I havent seen you calling names ibs... however.. my memory isn't the most reliable so... fwiw.. sorry lol

 

[ivebeenshown]

I havent seen you calling names ibs... however.. my memory isn't the most reliable so... fwiw.. sorry lol

Lol good to see you sunlover1!!!

 

[sunlover1]

Lol good to see you sunlover1!!!

Good to see you IBS.. Hope all is well in your world Stay warm!

 

[razeontherock]

Never did see how ibs became RC?!? Still a shock ... I saw you came to understand the value of laying on of hands, and then 2 days later WHAM

How've things been?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Never did see how ibs became RC?!? Still a shock ... I saw you came to understand the value of laying on of hands, and then 2 days later WHAM

How've things been?

All'scool rayray, my daughter is growin so big, yesterday she turned 11 weeks and is in the 97 percentile... 14.4lbs, 24.5in"! She got her shots and it was so sad, even her mother cried.

 

[Giver]

that is because i was trying to talk about how everyone else in all the threads say they KNOW what the bible says. in all these threads nobody says anything about what God teaches them. they say "this verse means this" and "this verse means that", and you never asked any of those people what God says to them so why are you asking me what God says to the pope? how do i know what God says to the pope?

all you guys do is be mean and be rude and insult the pope and Mary and everything. and the worst part is you are all saying you are Christians. what kind of Christian just runs his mouth being rude? you know what, i see nice people when i go to church but when i log in here all i see are BUTTS. i dont know a lot about all this stuff but i know 2 things, i am going to learn more because i know you guys are wrong, and i don't ever want to be like you guys, except for the few nice people who are here.

You see I am one who believes that no one can come to know God by reading the Bible. Nor can one come to know God by reading what other people say about God.

I believe it is dangerous for one to go to a seminary to learn about God.

I don’t know what God tells the pope either, that is the problem. He does not witness that God has taught him.

Paul told us only God can teach us to know God.

 

[ivebeenshown]

You see I am one who believes that no one can come to know God by reading the Bible. Nor can one come to know God by reading what other people say about God.

So true, I did several 'altar calls' as a kid but it was one night unexpected when he smacked me upside the head. WHAM!

 

[98cwitr]

Catholics look to the same one that you look to for our salvation. When Jesus was raised up to heaven he left behind men to be shepherds to the Church. Those are our clergy or Protestant's ministers. Shepherds can also include the laity because we are all shepherds and sheep.

who is the Good Shepherd? who is the "hired hand?"

John 10:12
The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

 

[Melethiel]

because you don't have the right books in it. don't you know that?

and i am still waiting to see how you know more than the pope. thats the title of my thread. if you don't then keep steppin

Ave Maria, you are not helping your case by making snide and sarcastic comments like this. Respect goes two ways. You're 17; stop acting like a 5 year old who doesn't get her way.

I personally have a great deal of respect for the Pope. He is a wonderful Christian leader and scholar, and I am a huge fan of his work. That does not mean, however, that I agree with him on everything. I'll certainly trust him more than Pastor Joe Bob down the street, but he is not infallible.

As for the "messed up Bible," the Deuterocanon was not considered to be fully inspired until quite recently. Before you make snide comments like this, why don't you prove to us that you understand the canonization process and the various tiers that books are placed on? I presume you already know what they are.

That said, they are a good read and are good for edification, and I agree that they shouldn't have been taken out of the Bible completely.

 

[Melethiel]

yea that "corrupt" LXX that all the early Christians and apostles used. Too bad we all had to wait until the 16th century when the true KJV bible came along.

The protestants and baptists really need to have their own canon of the NT if they really want to be separated from the Church. Like when Luther wanted to rip out the book of James, Hebrews and Revelation. He managed to get the deuterocanon. Don't know why he didn't go all the way with the NT too like how he truly wanted.

You realize that Luther left the Deuterocanon in his German translation, and called them good for edification, right? The Deuterocanon wasn't removed from Protestant Bibles until the 19th century.