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So why did God make me this way?

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Before you delete or ignore my post at least spend 1 minute and read what I have to say.

I suffer from mental illness. Bipolar, depression, anxiety. This isn't the "my girlfriend dumped me and I don't know where to go for help!". This is... I can be sitting there eating dinner, with no negative things going on around me, and have the sudden urge to kill myself.

This is the kind of illness that makes me cry myself to sleep EVERY NIGHT and wake up in a psychotic rage. Nothing triggers me, nothing sets me off, there is just something that controls me and I have no idea how to fix it. I spend every day of my life in mental confusion. I have been declared insane. I have seen the inside of more inpatient mental hospitals than I can count. If I were to believe in hell, THIS IS IT. There is no enjoyment in any part of my life, try as I might. Vacation doesn't help, relationships don't help, loving family members DON'T HELP. I am broken.

So why did God make me this way? Is this my challenge? Is that why we go through life, to be TESTED? Never mind creating technological advancements, or attempts at solving world hunger or disease... never mind the idea that we are to progress as a species and help each other; each and every one of us is here to pass a TEST and nothing more!

Oh boy, so strike me down with mental illness so I am no use to anybody and can't contribute to society. That's my test; to be a burden on other people. What a great plan GOD.

Praying doesn't work. Drugs don't work. Having a support group doesn't work. Waiting for 'good things to come' or 'something good will happen, you'll see' is the biggest load anyone could ever tell you.

It's easy to believe in God with your churches and your great, wonderful, happy lifestyles with loving children and spouses and hobbies to enjoy. It's easy to turn to God for help when something goes wrong in your otherwise perfect life. But how is it that when people that really need the help, the people in Africa starving, or those with mental illness, or those who are sexually abused and held captive most of their lives in slavery... where is God for them? Why does God only help those who otherwise have it well, and not help those who are CRYING OUT for his help? What is their test? Why do they deserve that? Why do I deserve this???

And NO, do NOT pray for me. Your thoughts mean nothing to me because they have never helped and never will. Rather than having 1000 people pray for me I'd rather have them pick up a chemistry book to HELP FIGURE OUT THE CHEMICAL IMBALANCES IN MY BRAIN, that for some reason GOD put there. I guess he's a fan for evolution/mutation after all. What a sick joke.
 
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While this topic will probably be deleted I want to say something.

I lead a really good life until I was 16 despite have health issues. Well at 16 I has a seizure and it gave me a brain injury. I ended up losing ALL of my education, my memories....my life! I hated God. I to said the things you did. I didn't see how I was suppose to be happy with what happened. It made me suicdal!

BUt after nearly 12 years I got over it. Was it easy? No. People (even christians) avoided me like a plague. They said I deserved all this for something I obviously must have done before the injury. But as stated I got over it. I became a better person and realized why it happened to me! Gods love was there, I was just to bitter to see it. Sure I still have major issues because of my health but I don't blame God anymore because he is not to blame. Now I use my past to help others and share the love of God.

I wish I could give you some magic answer that will make you feel better, but there is none until you are ready to hear it. Trust me, I should know from my past! While prayers are meaningless to you, they are not to me. I will be praying for you. I will even pray they make a cure for what you have because my uncle had what you did and he died trying to keep his head but was very unhappy in life.
 
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No one can understand unless they are in the same boat so I will not put my two cents in on something I cannot understand, but I can say this. God has already proved his love for us when he sent Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. You cannot have a greater love than that. I know you are miserable on this earth, but when your time comes, if you are a Christian, you will go to paradise my friend. They will be no more disease or illness or dying or tears anymore. I just wanted to say that. Love, Amy
 
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So after losing 12 years of your life and going from 'really good' to how you are now, do you look back and say it was all worth it?

Are you really a better person for having gone through it, or are you just telling yourself that so you can cope with how you are living with your injury?

I wish I could just forgive myself, learn to live with it, or whatever anyone else wants to call 'getting over it'. This isn't something I can just get over. I'm not saying this because I can't beat it; I'm saying this because IT'S THE TRUTH. I am at mercy to my moods. The only way to get over this is to isolate myself completely from the world.

And I don't hate or blame God. I just understand that he doesn't exist. No God would create something then let this happen. No God would give and take away (for what reason???). No God would make you suffer because of choices you made in the past, when he was the one who made you and enabled you to make those choices in the first place.

I'm still waiting for this to be deleted. Like I said, religion and God is all 'uppity-up' and no one can handle contemplating their strength of faith. When a post such as this comes around people run away in fear, rather than use the strength GOD GIVES THEM to tolerate someone who doesn't believe what they believe.

Religion is such a morale booster, rather than a solution to any problem. And if it wasn't religion it would be something else, since people tend to make up things to reinforce their view of the world. ie. "Everything is going wonderful so it must be GOD who is GIVING THIS TO ME.". Never mind logic, or YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS, it's all God's choosing because ultimately there is no free will!!!

But we can still go to hell of course, even though we can't chose whether or not we want to go there.


P.S. I post this because it takes my mind off of suicide for the time being. How ironic would it be if Christians, who are supposed to be loving and caring toward one another, deleted this post; the only thing that is keeping me alive right now, just so they can not have the negativity on this board?
 
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A true Christian should not delete this post. You are right. We are supposed to try to help one another, that is true. How can you love God and not love your neighbor. You either love both or despise both. Sometimes I am guilty of not knowing whether or not I am judging people. I still have a lot to learn on my spiritual journey. Like, for instance, my husband and I are low income, meaning our take home pay doesn't even make it half way home. People that know this are always saying, "well, I'll pray for you" Nobody literally helps us out. We both work so they can't say, we'll you don't have anything because you don't work. I know alot of others are in the same boat but I know others can help they just say they will pray for us. I don't know where I'm going with this, but, oh well.
 
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Hey, I read your post and I have some things to share with you.

One of the things that came to my mind is John 16:33 where Jesus says plainly that in this world we will have trouble. The verse also says to take heart because He has overcome the world. This life is not all there is, our hope is in Heaven where there will be no sadness, pain or memory of these things. I see from your profile you're an atheist, but the Scriptures talk about how we are to place our hope in eternal life with God. I cannot change your mind or your heart, all I can do is share information and experiences and hope it resonates with you. In your post you spoke about those who God "blesses" who have it good already. I just want to point out who Jesus said are really "blessed":

Matthew 5:1-12 "Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. 2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.
10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

We often equate doing well materially, mentally, emotionally as being blessed by God. But if you look at what Jesus said, it is kind of the opposite of what we think. Yeah, if you are materially, mentally and emotionally well off, the world tends to think you are "blessed". But even in another place Jesus had words to say about that:
Matthew 19:30 "But many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Also, there is the parable about the rich man and Lazarus who was a beggar:

Luke 16:19-25 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[f] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish."

I remember when I was a younger Christian I was going through a difficult patch and someone pointed out the examples of the apostles who were stoned, beaten, often hungry, shipwrecked, mocked, etc. But they knew there reward was not in this life (which is temporary). Hebrews 11 is a good chapter to read that talks about this concept in more detail. Not sure if you have a Bible at home, if not Biblegateway.com is a website you can go to where you can read it online.

I also want to address some thoughts that you have... who is to say that when one is suffering from some affliction it is God's doing? Ephesians mentions that there are powers of wickedness. I think that sometimes misfortune has different causes in different cases. Someone's misfortune may be due to evil inflicted on them, someone choosing to do wrong to a person with their free will, a person's own wrong choices or God disciplining a person. Just because someone is suffering it does not automatically mean it is God's fault. The gene pool is horribly screwed up because people have chosen to smoke, drink, abuse drugs, eat horribly, put harmful chemicals into the food supply, the water supply and the air resulting in all sorts of mental and physical diseases that we now have to deal with. God did not tell people to do this, and yet, people want to shake their fists at God for it.

I will give an example of myself. I do not fit the idea of the happy shinny Christian you described. I have a severely disabling form of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that dominates my life daily. It became so severe at one point I had trouble eating and doing basic things that most people take for granted. I have felt the gamut of emotions in dealing with this disorder. I have felt anger at Christians who seem lukewarm about making an impact in the world because they seem to have few restraints to do so; where I fight daily just to survive intrusive thoughts and mental tricks from OCD, and I truly want to use my life for God. I have felt frusterated at God because this disorder not only blocks me from accomplishing daily things easily like other people would, it hinders me from accomplishing greater things. On top of all this, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Essentially, I have no desire to socialize for the sake of socializing, and in most cases cannot tell whether or not people like me - even people I have known for years; I just can't read the information in context of my long-term interaction with that person. This runs smack counter to living in society. Yeah, I could shake my fist at God, but you know what... God did not tell my mother to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol while she was pregnant with me. He didn't tell her to constantly smoke around me as a child or tell her that she should allow me to repeatedly drink off my grandmother's cup of liquor when I was 2-3 years old. Actually, in the Bible He tells humans to love their neighbors as themselves (Mark 12:31) And to do unto others as we would like done onto us (Luke 6:31). Toxic chemicals that go into the body can cause harmful genetic mutations. I am not completely blaming my mother's actions for all of my mental health issues; some of my mental issues (in strictly a physical sense) may be due to genetic alterations higher up in the family line or on my father's side. When I was older, I used illicit drugs in social situations, which at times took the edge and complexity off of being around other people. (I highly believe this messed up my serotonin levels, and believe this has played a big part in my OCD becoming as severe as it is.) The point I'm trying to make is that when chemicals that have mutagenic effects are added to a system of order, the logical conclusion is that there will be mutations; unfortunately, these harmful mutations effect us in ways we have to live with. That is the effects of sin, aka: not doing the right thing, and therefore you and/or other people suffer. I am not sure what the physical pathology of your disorder is, but I highly highly doubt God caused it. Rather, I suspect it is the result of human beings making stupid careless decisions that had effect on the gene pool, and so now you are consequently one of the suffers in some way like myself, and like every person who deals with diabetes, cancer, bi-polar, etc. The message of Christ is one of redemption. We are in a freakin ugly mess in this world because of people who choose to sin / do what is wrong. If anyone should be angry about being wronged, it is God. People have taken His creation and vandalized it with a cavalier self-serving attitude that doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. Pockets of humanity have refused to do what is right and therefore children are abused. In the case of world hunger, there are enough resources to have food to feed the hungry but instead of choosing to follow Jesus' call to feed the hungry, some people in their own greed in the finance industry engage in speculative trading of commodities which make it almost impossible for the poorest of poor in other nations to be able to have food. Each human in their life span has a chance to make good choices; unfortunately, many of us choose not to and suffering results.

2 Thessalonians 1:5-8 says, "This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels"

Those who do wrong will be judged for what they have done in this life. In some way, we have all contributed to the broken state that humanity and our world is in today. However, God is extending an offer of grace to not punish us for the wrong we have contributed, and an eternal state where we will not experience the effects of wrong doing /sin. He offers us a way out of this decrepit state we got ourselves in.

Though dealing with OCD is painful and it's tough to live with Asperger's Syndrome, I can use my brokenness to relate to other people. There is something about going through something yourself that gives you compassion towards others who are afficted the same way. There is also sometimes a huge difference in the type of advice and help that is given from someone who has no first hand knowledge of what you're going through and someone who does. I think some of us who have gone through these things have a potential to do a lot of good, and can reach some people at a depth others cannot. I think God can really use people who have gone through very difficult stuff. Before I used to feel so exasperated that I have these afflictions and wonder what use I could be, and I still do get exasperated, however, I have come to realize that these things on top of other painful things I have experienced give me multiple knowledge and experience bases to work from to help others and do what Jesus called humans to do in the world. Even though these things can bring us some of the greatest pain, it can create some of the greatest opportunities for doing good. (Note: I later read one of your responses and saw that you suffer from bi-polar.) Even if you don't have all the answers for yourself, just talking with someone else who has bi-polar can be hugely comforting to someone with it, and that person may be able to share with you what has helped them cope. It reminds me of the Scripture:

Proverbs 11:25 "A generous person will prosper; whoever refreshes others will be refreshed."

I know for myself, being able to connect with others who suffer with the same, and being able to share information I have learned even if I don't have it totally have it mastered, has refreshed me. It has gotten me out of some very dark places, and it has lead to mutual edification, where I have been able to learn from others. I am dealing with my disorder better and able to "live" more in spite of it, because of other people being generous enough to refresh me. I think God wants us to live this way among each other. I know you are in a lot of pain, but I want to encourage you to use what you know about to connect with other people, to get advice and encouragement from other people and to give it. You may never lose having bi-polar, just like I may never lose having OCD, but we will have made good use of our lives and brought healing and love to others, which is God's will for us as humans to live like Christ in the world.

I hope what I shared was helpful somehow, be it the Scriptures or my own perspective on the topic of human suffering.
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Acts 22:16 "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’"
 
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So after losing 12 years of your life and going from 'really good' to how you are now, do you look back and say it was all worth it?
I had alot of other things happen to me in that time period to. Severe things. But to answer your quesiton yes. At the time I didn't think it was worth it. I figureed I was scared for life and just going to be angry forever. But now that I can look bad I see it diffrently.

I have changed for the better. I learned alot through all that torture. I grew closer to God (even though it took 12 years). And I met a woman who I know would have left me if I was with her at the time. I'd do it all again for all this change, even if I didn't see it at first. At the time and even until around the 12 year when people said I'd look back and see it was worth it, I told those people some pretty nasty things. It does take time though. You have to change ALOT or try to readjust your life. Sometimes my cynicsm still lingers, but I am now able to ignore it.

I wish I could just forgive myself, learn to live with it, or whatever anyone else wants to call 'getting over it'. This isn't something I can just get over. I'm not saying this because I can't beat it; I'm saying this because IT'S THE TRUTH. I am at mercy to my moods. The only way to get over this is to isolate myself completely from the world.
Sadly many will say with what you have you can get over it, but I've met many in your situation who cannot get over it. As you said you are affect by your moods, your own brain and body work against you. I'm not saying its impossible to get over though, but its just much harder in your case. One day hopefully there will be something to help you!

And I don't hate or blame God. I just understand that he doesn't exist. No God would create something then let this happen. No God would give and take away (for what reason???). No God would make you suffer because of choices you made in the past, when he was the one who made you and enabled you to make those choices in the first place.
Well its complicated. I myself as I said didn't understand it either. Even though it doesn't exactly answer the question I had to learn, yes God did create us. But because sin was brought into the world it means all humans now have to worry abour diseases, death...etc. Why didn't God stop it or anything for that matter? Because we were given everything at the start, but we (well Adam and Eve)were also given the choice to accept what they had if they wanted. It was free will. But they choose to want more.

I think its sad they did that. But I don't blame God. I am sure theres even more quesiton in your head like "Why didn't he start creation over?" or "Why do I have to suffer for their mistakes?". Theres no real answer for that except for what I said about free will. Some people can't just stop worrying about these questions and accept whats going on here and now. And really, we can't change what Adam and Eve did, whats over with is over. We can only change what we do now and for out future. This is why God offers us salvation...a life vest if you will!

Does this mean your life will be any better as a christian? Well on, things will still happen in life good and bad. But after this you will be able to have a perfect body. No more having a brain that s trying to hurt you. No more anger or tears. No more confusion. We won't have to worry about any of the trouble we had here. This little amount of life is worth some pain if it means I can spend a bizzilion years in my perfect body, how I was meant to be!

I'm still waiting for this to be deleted. Like I said, religion and God is all 'uppity-up' and no one can handle contemplating their strength of faith. When a post such as this comes around people run away in fear, rather than use the strength GOD GIVES THEM to tolerate someone who doesn't believe what they believe.
Actually when I think about this being deleted I don't think it will happen. Because the very fact you chose to post shows you really do some sort of answers. If you truly didn't care and were angry you wouldn't have posted at all. Its what they say about suicide, if you tell someone you are going to do it then its shows you don't want to and your really just want someone to talk to you and help you!

If I could I would help you! I'd get rid of your hurting body. Its why I pray. Again I know that may not mean much now but when things get better in your future I want you to remember this post and realize people do care about you, even God does. You may not believe it but he weeps for you.

Religion is such a morale booster, rather than a solution to any problem. And if it wasn't religion it would be something else, since people tend to make up things to reinforce their view of the world. ie. "Everything is going wonderful so it must be GOD who is GIVING THIS TO ME.". Never mind logic, or YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS, it's all God's choosing because ultimately there is no free will!!!
I used to say that for a time to. Sadly there are bad apples among christians just as they are in every group of people. Your decisions don't make things happen to you. God does not punish us. Example if a car hits you and you become crippled, God did not have that happen. It just did because it did! But for every deicsion we make God does everything to make sure he turns your bad into good.

Again I use myself as an example. After I started to change for the better I realized he turns this horrible thing in my life and me grow from it. I learned new things. I met some wonderful people. I was able to help others...etc. Any christian will tell you sometimes its hard to wrap our heads around some things the bible says. Such as God has no beggining and will not have and end. Time doesn't exist and he just "is". Its why we have to have faith in God. What is the alternative? Not have faith and be angry forever until we go to that place that just causes more pain?

But we can still go to hell of course, even though we can't chose whether or not we want to go there.
As mentioned above you can choose. Its why salvation exists. No you might question that but think about this first. God could have easily just said "Well my creation went wrong, I'll just let them all go to hell!". BUt he chose NOT to do that because even despite the fact sin exists, he LOVES us unconditionally. Even while I was cursing at him and being a terrible son to him, he still loved me and wanted to wrap his arms around me and assure me things will get better.

Its not like hes sitting there saying "Well this person seems so mad at me, guess hw wants to go to hell!". Instead hes saying "I am here my son and I love you, I will never forsake you so do not forsake me! I love you more then you know!". God love is amazing, I've even said I think if I was God I don't know if I would ahve been so loving towards my own creation if it was this bad and chose to curse my name. But thats why I am a mere human and he is God. We cannot fully understand his love! We just have to accept it, accept him and fight the good fight until we go to a much better place.

P.S. I post this because it takes my mind off of suicide for the time being.
Let me tell you something. Don't listen to anyone who tells you to even think about suicide. I partially attempted once and the pain was beyond horrible so I stopped with no real injrues besides a cut. Its not worth it. Don't let the devil win or the world win who may egg you on to do it. Live because no matter how hard life gets, theres a prize at the end off all this beyond words. Live because your Father and Creater LOVES you so much and doesn't want to see you go to that other place. Live because when your life becomes great, you can help others who were are in a place like you! Whos going to help them if the person that understands isn't here to share his story?

When I think about that I cry. If I would have given up it means others would suffer just like me. I don't want that. I wouldn't wish my pat pain on ANYONE, not even my worst enemy...not even Satan! I'd would have loved to have someone like me that made it through comfort me and help get through this! So do it for all these reasons.

Heck do it (stay alive) for me! Because honestly you may just think I am some random guy who may not care but I care with every ounce of me. I'll be sad if you ever did anything. I've had 2 others give up after I tried helping them and its hard to recover from knowing you failed to help them. >.< If your wondering how can I care about someone who I don't even really know, its because of Gods love that I can love anyone!

You are family to us even if you may not understand that. We want to help you! We love you! :)
 
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Before you delete or ignore my post at least spend 1 minute and read what I have to say.

You can have as much of my time as you need to say what you need to say, SB.

I suffer from mental illness. Bipolar, depression, anxiety. This isn't the "my girlfriend dumped me and I don't know where to go for help!" type of B.S. This is... I can be sitting there eating dinner, with no negative things going on around me, and have the sudden urge to kill myself.

I am really sorry to hear this. That sounds totally impossible to cope with. I deal with anxiety and SI as well; it is probably not the same, but similar enough to understand a little of what you are dealing with.

This is the kind of illness that makes me cry myself to sleep EVERY NIGHT and wake up in a psychotic rage. Nothing triggers me, nothing sets me off, there is just something that controls me and I have no idea how to fix it. I spend every day of my life in mental confusion. I have been declared insane. I have seen the inside of more inpatient mental hospitals than I can count. If I were to believe in hell, THIS IS IT. There is no enjoyment in any part of my life, try as I might. Vacation doesn't help, relationships don't help, loving family members DON'T HELP. I am broken.

I am broken as well. I have complex post traumatic stress disorder and a fragmented personality.

So why did God make me this way? Is this my challenge? Is that why we go through life, to be TESTED? Never mind creating technological advancements, or attempts at solving world hunger or disease... never mind the idea that we are to progress as a species and help each other; each and every one of us is here to pass a TEST and nothing more!

Rest assured, SB, You do not have to pass a test.

Oh boy, so strike me down with mental illness so I am no use to anybody and can't contribute to society. That's my test; to be a burden on other people. What a great plan GOD.

This is my life as well. I contribute what I can, but I have not worked for 12 years, and probably never will again.

Praying doesn't work. Drugs don't work. Having a support group doesn't work. Waiting for 'good things to come' or 'something good will happen, you'll see' is the biggest load of B.S. anyone could ever tell you.

Something works, SB. You are still here, in spite of all that you describe; you must be incredibly resilient.

It's easy to believe in God with your churches and your great, wonderful, happy lifestyles with loving children and spouses and hobbies to enjoy. It's easy to turn to God for help when something goes wrong in your otherwise perfect life. But how is it that when people that really need the help, the people in Africa starving, or those with mental illness, or those who are sexually abused and held captive most of their lives in slavery... where is God for them? Why does God only help those who otherwise have it well, and not help those who are CRYING OUT for his help? What is their test? Why do they deserve that? Why do I deserve this???

You do not deserve it, any more than I deserve my life. It just happens that way. Some people are fortunate one day, some the next. Some of us have a particularly difficult life. There is no reason for it; it just is. God does not choose it; it is part of life.

And NO, do NOT pray for me. Your thoughts mean nothing to me because they have never helped and never will. Rather than having 1000 people pray for me I'd rather have them pick up a chemistry book to HELP FIGURE OUT THE CHEMICAL IMBALANCES IN MY BRAIN, that for some reason GOD put there. I guess he's a fan for evolution/mutation after all. What a sick joke.

I am really sorry you feel so angry, but I can understand why. I often feel the same way about my own life, and regard it as a complete waste.

I am told that God does not see life the way we do, and what we see as a waste he sees as valuable. That probably won't help you much, but I am afraid it would do no good for me to attempt to work out any medical stuff because I am not knowledgable enough to do so. I do believe in God, and I trust him to work this one to good in the end, but for the life of me I can't see how he will manage it. But I still prefer to trust that there is a meaning, rather than give up hope of any meaning at all.

I am sorry for your terrible sufferings. Take care of yourself, SB.
 
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So after losing 12 years of your life and going from 'really good' to how you are now, do you look back and say it was all worth it?

Are you really a better person for having gone through it, or are you just telling yourself that so you can cope with how you are living with your injury?

I wish I could just forgive myself, learn to live with it, or whatever anyone else wants to call 'getting over it'. This isn't something I can just get over. I'm not saying this because I can't beat it; I'm saying this because IT'S THE TRUTH. I am at mercy to my moods. The only way to get over this is to isolate myself completely from the world.

Does isolation work, SB? That is strange. Social withdrawal is the end result of having cptsd, and it is what I do to remain stable as well.

Have you ever been investigated for ptsd?

And I don't hate or blame God. I just understand that he doesn't exist. No God would create something then let this happen. No God would give and take away (for what reason???). No God would make you suffer because of choices you made in the past, when he was the one who made you and enabled you to make those choices in the first place.
God made me, but he did not damage me. That was the people around me. This was not God's will. I know your situation may be different, and plenty of people have conditions that they are born with, but mine was a gift from my family.

I think I would prefer if it had been from God.

I'm still waiting for this to be deleted. Like I said, religion and God is all 'uppity-up' and no one can handle contemplating their strength of faith. When a post such as this comes around people run away in fear, rather than use the strength GOD GIVES THEM to tolerate someone who doesn't believe what they believe.
Our faith is about a man who died in shame and ignominy on a cross while all his followers hid from the authorities. If there is no room for suffering in our faith, then our faith is meaningless.

Religion is such a morale booster, rather than a solution to any problem. And if it wasn't religion it would be something else, since people tend to make up things to reinforce their view of the world. ie. "Everything is going wonderful so it must be GOD who is GIVING THIS TO ME.". Never mind logic, or YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS, it's all God's choosing because ultimately there is no free will!!!
No, there is free will. I can choose to give up, or I can choose to continue to fight. And so can you. Use the anger that you have, and it will help you to find the strength to go on fighting.

But we can still go to hell of course, even though we can't chose whether or not we want to go there.
No, you and I are already in hell. There can be no worse kind hereafter. I know that much.

P.S. I post this because it takes my mind off of suicide for the time being. How ironic would it be if Christians, who are supposed to be loving and caring toward one another, deleted this post; the only thing that is keeping me alive right now, just so they can not have the negativity on this board?
If your post gets deleted (which I don't think will happen) then you can PM me. I don't mind how negative you are, if it helps you to stay alive. I like your fighting spirit, SB.

Meanwhile, have you ever considered that SI is an escape fantasy? SI is a symptom of cptsd as well; I get it a lot and it is very distressing. Very.

One thing I sometimes suggest to friends who suffer from this is that they try to substitute a different kind of escape fantasy. Go to the travel agents, collect brochures, and plan the most ridiculously expensive holiday of a lifetime; it is a fantasy, so there is no limit to where you go or for how long, or what the cost might be. Plan every detail; work out which hotel, which resort, which flight; everything.

Then instead of fantasising about s, you can fantasise about beaches, or coral reefs, or the Great Wall of China; anything you like.

This might sound silly, but it works. One escape fantasy is pretty much as good as another, and this one is far safer to dream about.

God be with you, SB.
 
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So why did God make me this way? Is this my challenge? Is that why we go through life, to be TESTED? Never mind creating technological advancements, or attempts at solving world hunger or disease... never mind the idea that we are to progress as a species and help each other; each and every one of us is here to pass a TEST and nothing more!
No, we're put here to learn to turn to God in our brokenness, so we can overcome. We aren&#8217;t put here to suffer tests, we're put here to pass them, in His strength. That is a huge difference of intent on His part, and it is critically important that we understand it.

Praying doesn't work. Drugs don't work. Having a support group doesn't work. Waiting for 'good things to come' or 'something good will happen, you'll see' is the biggest load anyone could ever tell you.
But faith does work. You can pray till the cows come home, but if the end of it isn't faith, it isn't going to avail much. You have to reach a place where you actually trust that God is working for you. See Mark 11.22-25 concerning the "faith of God" that actually works.

It's easy to believe in God with your churches and your great, wonderful, happy lifestyles with loving children and spouses and hobbies to enjoy. It's easy to turn to God for help when something goes wrong in your otherwise perfect life. But how is it that when people that really need the help, the people in Africa starving, or those with mental illness, or those who are sexually abused and held captive most of their lives in slavery... where is God for them? Why does God only help those who otherwise have it well, and not help those who are CRYING OUT for his help? What is their test? Why do they deserve that? Why do I deserve this???
None of us deserve any of this, at least initially. We were sold into captivity to sin and death by our progenitor. That is why Christ, in His unfathomable love, chose to give Himself to pay our debt and free us.

Where is God? He watches our suffering with compassion, and wishes that we would have faith to rise out of our pits and live the abundant life He died for to give us (John 10.10). He has provided the ultimate, perfect remedy, and wishes we would avail ourselves of its power even now.
 
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For prayer to work...

1. One must ask the Father in Jesus name...
2. Believe in the heart that God has the ability to carry out the request.
3. Have patience and go on doing the best you can.

And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. - Matthew 13:58

I personally enjoy messages where my faith is inspired. Faith is the motivation and get up and go!

Power in Jesus Name (Full Version) - YouTube
 
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The most incredible Christian woman I had the pleasure in knowing
lived her life in a hospital bed.

Unable to walk.
Her leg joints didn't bend -- elbows would bend just enough that she
could feed herself/write etc.
She never had a boyfriend nor did she marry...no children.

But what a wonderful Christian witness she had!
She communicated with people by telephone/mail.
She and my mom taught me how to "suffer well" by their examples.

The Bible was manna for their souls and it brought refreshment to their
minds-- transformed their thinking etc.
They counted every little blessing and treasure them.
These prayer warrior women kept their loved ones before God's throne.
They lived and loved life...even though their own lives weren't as their
peers.
I began to think...if they could be like that even though they suffer greatly in this life
-- what is keeping me from being more Christ-like?
I couldn't find any good excuses...slowly I began to turn my focus off of me and what I was suffering with & put my eyes on Christ and grew stronger in my faith.

Many of us know this part of The Serenity Prayer
by heart...

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
[/FONT]


HOWEVER... it's not the whole prayer!
The rest of it...

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;

Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;

That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.
[/FONT]
 
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For prayer to work...

1. One must ask the Father in Jesus name...
2. Believe in the heart that God has the ability to carry out the request.
3. Have patience and go on doing the best you can.

I am afraid that is simply not the case. We do not have to use a checklist to ensure that our prayers are heard; all prayers are heard, whether we get the words right and the belief right or not. It is not even Biblical; where does the Lord's Prayer include the words, 'In Jesus' name'? That one was given to us by our Lord himself; do you really want to suggest it will not 'work' because the wording is incomplete?

You say we need these three for prayer to 'work'. By that I assume you mean that we get what we want? We need a new job, we pray, we get it? We need money, we pray, someone sends us a cheque? Our child is sick, we pray, she gets better? This is ATM prayer; treating God as some kind of cash machine, to go to, tap in the right keys, use the pincode, 'In Jesus' name' and get what we want. This is not what Christian prayer is all about. This is not what Christ taught us to do.

Prayer is communing with God, in order to align our will with his, not his will with ours. For prayer to 'work' we have to understand that it is his choice what happens in our lives, not ours. Every prayer which says 'yet not my will but thine be done' works immediately, every single time. Therefore, by all means go to the Lord in prayer and supplication and beg him to help us in our lives, there is nothing wrong with that. But always bear in mind that our lives are in his hands, and so are the lives of our loved ones and our children, and that it is his choice what happens to those lives.

God's will be done; the single hardest prayer for any of us to say and mean. And a prayer that never, ever fails to be heard and answered. And here is another:

Lord, have mercy,
Christ, have mercy,
Lord, have mercy.

It is not a matter of getting the formula right. It is a matter of remembering who sits on the Throne, and who kneels before it, offering worship, offering service and asking for his mercy and compassion. The OP thinks his anger will separate him from God, and from his brothers and sisters here; it won't. God does not mind anger, because it is honest. Every word the OP has said to God has been heard, I can guarantee you that. God does not ever ignore the prayers of the afflicted and the broken hearted, not even the angry ones; their prayers are heard most clearly before the Throne, the whole communion of saints hears them, and the whole communion of saints joins in to say 'Amen'.
 
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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Trusting that He will make all things right[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]if I surrender to His Will;[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]That I may be reasonably happy in this life [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]and supremely happy with Him[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Forever in the next.[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Amen.[/FONT]

And there you have it; a Christian prayer. Thanks BFine. And as with the Lord's Prayer, no need for the tautological, 'In Jesus' name.' There is no harm saying it, but there is also no harm leaving it out. God knows our hearts; he knows who we are talking to and why.

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I am afraid that is simply not the case. We do not have to use a checklist to ensure that our prayers are heard; all prayers are heard, whether we get the words right and the belief right or not. It is not even Biblical; where does the Lord's Prayer include the words, 'In Jesus' name'? That one was given to us by our Lord himself; do you really want to suggest it will not 'work' because the wording is incomplete?

You say we need these three for prayer to 'work'. By that I assume you mean that we get what we want? We need a new job, we pray, we get it? We need money, we pray, someone sends us a cheque? Our child is sick, we pray, she gets better? This is ATM prayer; treating God as some kind of cash machine, to go to, tap in the right keys, use the pincode, 'In Jesus' name' and get what we want. This is not what Christian prayer is all about. This is not what Christ taught us to do.

Prayer is communing with God, in order to align our will with his, not his will with ours. For prayer to 'work' we have to understand that it is his choice what happens in our lives, not ours. Every prayer which says 'yet not my will but thine be done' works immediately, every single time. Therefore, by all means go to the Lord in prayer and supplication and beg him to help us in our lives, there is nothing wrong with that. But always bear in mind that our lives are in his hands, and so are the lives of our loved ones and our children, and that it is his choice what happens to those lives.

God's will be done; the single hardest prayer for any of us to say and mean. And a prayer that never, ever fails to be heard and answered. And here is another:

Lord, have mercy,
Christ, have mercy,
Lord, have mercy.

It is not a matter of getting the formula right. It is a matter of remembering who sits on the Throne, and who kneels before it, offering worship, offering service and asking for his mercy and compassion. The OP thinks his anger will separate him from God, and from his brothers and sisters here; it won't. God does not mind anger, because it is honest. Every word the OP has said to God has been heard, I can guarantee you that. God does not ever ignore the prayers of the afflicted and the broken hearted, not even the angry ones; their prayers are heard most clearly before the Throne, the whole communion of saints hears them, and the whole communion of saints joins in to say 'Amen'.

This is not a debating forum.
 
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I am praying now that God puts someone in your life who will not only help you through this today and tomorrow but will also be there for you throughout your life from here on..

I personally believe a person's greatest weaknesses become one's greatest strengths when Christ enters one's life.
 
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