So Where was the Teleprompter?

[MrMoe]

I don't know if I'd classify one as "worse" than the other. Harris' seemed to simply be awkward, while Trump’s seemed disordered and as if he had no idea what the event was actually about, and only referenced it because he was in the area.

Neither comment, alone, would sway my vote one way or the other.

"When you're discussing an election between two candidates, any criticism of one will garner a comparison to the other, to see if that person is better or worse in this regard."


Turns out that was completely pointless since you can't say which is worse.

I never claimed anyone had to.

Then you do it for yourself I'm guessing. You're basically talking to yourself.

Don't bother. You're not Donald Trump, so it would only be your interpretation against mine.

I already know how willing you are to defend him.

Then don't bring him up in a discussion about Kamala and I wont have to. Simple solution.

I know. I've been a journalist, I'm well versed in the concept.


Perhaps she was referring to a time deadline, and just spoke awkwardly. It happens sometimes, even to experienced public speakers.

Perhaps. And perhaps meant Trump meant something else instead instead of airports. Perhaps the rain on the teleprompter obscured the word he meant say. It seems you are willing to give Harris the benefit of the doubt but not Trump. i.e. Double standard.

Nothing unfortunate about that, if you ask me.

-- A2SG, though you are free to disagree...

This comment might age badly if she wins.

 

[MrMoe]

Why do you think that? How necessary to the job of President is public speaking sans teleprompter?

Do you equate leadership with ease in front of a crowd or camera?

-- A2SG, it certainly helped Kennedy...Nixon, not so much....

I equate a competent leader as being able to talk to the people without a script. It's a low bar that Kamala struggles to clear.

 

[A2SG]

"When you're discussing an election between two candidates, any criticism of one will garner a comparison to the other, to see if that person is better or worse in this regard."


Turns out that was completely pointless since you can't say which is worse.

Kinda depends on how you define "worse," doesn't it?

Then you do it for yourself I'm guessing. You're basically talking to yourself.

Not at all. You're here, ain't ya?

Then don't bring him up in a discussion about Kamala and I wont have to. Simple solution.

I just compared Harris' comments to Trump's, I didn't ask you, or anyone, to interpret them for me.

Perhaps. And perhaps meant Trump meant something else instead instead of airports. Perhaps the rain on the teleprompter obscured the word he meant say. It seems you are willing to give Harris the benefit of the doubt but not Trump. i.e. Double standard.

Based on everything I know about both candidates, yeah. But surely that's my judgment to make, isn't it? Just like when you give more latitude to Trump than you do Harris.

This comment might age badly if she wins.

I guess we'll see.

-- A2SG, willing to take the chance....

 

[A2SG]

I equate a competent leader as being able to talk to the people without a script. It's a low bar that Kamala struggles to clear.

Seems to me, neither candidate clears that bar. But you're free to draw your own conclusion.

-- A2SG, same with everyone else....

 

[Whyayeman]

Perhaps. And perhaps meant Trump meant something else instead instead of airports. Perhaps the rain on the teleprompter obscured the word he meant say.

Ah, we are back to Trump supporters telling us that what Trump said was somehow not what he meant - again. Here is the full sentence:

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory​

Any suggestions about the words obscured by a raindrop on the teleprinter?

I think it makes the man look ignorant and rambling, but go ahead show us what he really meant.

 

[MrMoe]

Kinda depends on how you define "worse," doesn't it?

"Comparative of bad : more unpleasant, difficult, or severe than before or than something else that is also bad"

worse

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Not at all. You're here, ain't ya?

So are many others. So you do it to for us. But for what reason I wonder.

I just compared Harris' comments to Trump's, I didn't ask you, or anyone, to interpret them for me.

People are going to do that anyway since it a public forum and forums are a place for discussion, so you will naturally invite that. If you don't want people to do then don't post it on a forum.

Based on everything I know about both candidates, yeah. But surely that's my judgment to make, isn't it? Just like when you give more latitude to Trump than you do Harris.

I don't. I just focus more on Kamala because a lot of people here give her a pass on things they wouldn't if Trump had done or said it.

Seems to me, neither candidate clears that bar. But you're free to draw your own conclusion.

-- A2SG, same with everyone else....

This is the one thing we can agree on.

 

[MrMoe]

Ah, we are back to Trump supporters telling us that what Trump said was somehow not what he meant - again. Here is the full sentence:

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory​

Any suggestions about the words obscured by a raindrop on the teleprinter?

Air and airports.

I think it makes the man look ignorant and rambling, but go ahead show us what he really meant.

I don't know what he meant, I'm just giving possible explanations for why he said what he said.

 

[Whyayeman]

Air and airports.



I don't know what he meant, I'm just giving possible explanations for why he said what he said.

Strangely selective raindrops!

You are giving Trump a pass in a way you never would with Harris.

 

[MrMoe]

Strangely selective raindrops!

Don't see how that is selective. The teleprompter would have been covered in raindrops, those are just two words that could have possibly been obscured by them.

You are giving Trump a pass in a way you never would with Harris.

How do you know?

 

[Whyayeman]

Don't see how that is selective. The teleprompter would have been covered in raindrops, those are just two words that could have possibly been obscured by them.



How do you know?

You are 'explaining' his mistake for him.

 

[A2SG]

"Comparative of bad : more unpleasant, difficult, or severe than before or than something else that is also bad"

worse

1. comparative of bad: more unpleasant, difficult, or severe than before or…

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Cute.

So are many others. So you do it to for us. But for what reason I wonder.

It's a discussion board. I like discussing stuff.

People are going to do that anyway since it a public forum and forums are a place for discussion, so you will naturally invite that. If you don't want people to do then don't post it on a forum.

I'm not the one who has a problem with comparisons between the two candidates. I have no problem inviting comparisons. What I don't need is someone who has no idea what Trump actually meant providing color commentary.

You are, of course, free to interpret his fractured stream of consciousness however you wish. Just leave me out of it

I don't. I just focus more on Kamala because a lot of people here give her a pass on things they wouldn't if Trump had done or said it.

If so, it's probably because Trump is worse in pretty much every way. However awkward she might be, it seems tame by comparison.

Now, had she been running against a good public speaker....who knows?

This is the one thing we can agree on.

And if we vote, we have to pick one, or go with a third party candidate who has no chance of being more than a spoiler, one way or the other.

-- A2SG, and for me, Trump's a non-starter....

 

[MrMoe]

You are 'explaining' his mistake for him.

You admit it was a mistake. What's the big deal then? Everyone makes mistakes.

 

[MrMoe]

Cute.

Answering your question about the definition of a word is cute? You have a strange definition of cute.

It's a discussion board. I like discussing stuff.

Okay.

I'm not the one who has a problem with comparisons between the two candidates. I have no problem inviting comparisons. What I don't need is someone who has no idea what Trump actually meant providing color commentary.

You're right, I have no idea what Trump actually meant, I'm just providing a possible explanation for why he said what he said.

You are, of course, free to interpret his fractured stream of consciousness however you wish. Just leave me out of it

Claim to like discussion, but then two paragraphs later want to be left out of the discussion while simultaneously continuing to reply to me.

If so, it's probably because Trump is worse in pretty much every way. However awkward she might be, it seems tame by comparison.

Now, had she been running against a good public speaker....who knows?

Comparing the two I would say Trump is the better public speaker.

And if we vote, we have to pick one, or go with a third party candidate who has no chance of being more than a spoiler, one way or the other.

-- A2SG, and for me, Trump's a non-starter....

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

 

[Bradskii]

You admit it was a mistake. What's the big deal then? Everyone makes mistakes.

Yeah, I got someone's name wrong this afternoon. Oops. Everyone does that. Called a friend of my daughter Rob instead of Rod. I actually don't think anyone noticed. But I didn't suggest that 18th century troops took over airfields. If I had done that then everyone would have noticed. There would have been an uncomfortable silence. And my kids would be talking to my wife about me getting examined. They'd be seriously concerned about my mental health.

 

[MrMoe]

Yeah, I got someone's name wrong this afternoon. Oops. Everyone does that. Called a friend of my daughter Rob instead of Rod. I actually don't think anyone noticed. But I didn't suggest that 18th century troops took over airfields. If I had done that then everyone would have noticed. There would have been an uncomfortable silence. And my kids would be talking to my wife about me getting examined. They'd be seriously concerned about my mental health.

Are you reading off a teleprompter in the pouring rain in this hypothetical?

 

[Bradskii]

Are you reading off a teleprompter in the pouring rain in this hypothetical?

Please, don't treat me like an idiot.

 

[Whyayeman]

You admit it was a mistake. What's the big deal then? Everyone makes mistakes.

Of course it was a mistake. It is the scale of his mistaken-ness that is at issue. Generally when people make a slip of that sort they correct themselves or if they don't notice at the time they will put the error right with a degree of humour or embarrassment and an apology. Trump doesn't really do humour or embarrassment - or apologies.

So often I see posts that excuse or 'explain' Trump's verbal gaffes and incoherences. Yours is just the latest to catch my eye.

 

[ozso]

Of course it was a mistake. It is the scale of his mistaken-ness that is at issue. Generally when people make a slip of that sort they correct themselves or if they don't notice at the time they will put the error right with a degree of humour or embarrassment and an apology. Trump doesn't really do humour or embarrassment - or apologies.

So often I see posts that excuse or 'explain' Trump's verbal gaffes and incoherences. Yours is just the latest to catch my eye.

I disagree about the humor part. He says pretty funny stuff.

 

[ozso]

Also Trump was reading from a teleprompter. He read what was written the teleprompter screen. End of story.

 

[MrMoe]

Please, don't treat me like an idiot.

I'm not. All I'm saying that your hypothetical has to include you reading off a teleprompter in the rain for it to be accurate. Trump didn't jump make it up on the fly.