So Where was the Teleprompter?

[Ana the Ist]

What you just described isn't what Kamala is showing in those quotes. Her repetitive phrases like "joy" and "unburdened by what has been" are most definitely deliberate and thought up by her and her campaign. She uses teleprompters, so her words are scripted, at least most of the time. She doesn't mispronounce words like Joe Biden, instead she uses her word salads to sound like she's saying something profound or to dance around answering a question.

To paraphrase a famous quote: “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with B.S.” It seems Kamala Harris has taken this quote to heart.






I have a challenge for you both. From now until election day I want you to defend Kamala without bringing up Trump. See if you can pull it off.

Difficulty level: Easy.

That's a bit like asking someone to defend her on policy positions. Not on being a woman or colored woman....but on her chosen policy positions.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Thanks, but no thanks. I won't use anything Trump says as an excuse for what Harris says. That's a tactic that I keep calling out time after time. Often to no avail. So what you won't get from me is 'Well, Trump says things much worse, so therefore you can't complain about Harris'. That's not a valid argument. You can complain about Harris if it's a genuine faux pax. You are allowed to point out any mistakes she makes.

Uh huh.

But what you will then get is 'She used a superfluous term when she was talking about deadlines? Well, how do you compare that with this?'

Whataboutism.

I hope that you uderstand this. It's a campaign between two people.

Nope. Only 1 person is running a campaign and telling you his positions.

The other person is not really running. I'm sure you recall in 2020 when Democrats kept Joe hidden as much as possible? Same strategy here.....except they have even less to work with.

 

[Ana the Ist]

To paraphrase a famous quote: “If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with B.S.” It seems Kamala Harris has taken this quote to heart.

I don't know who said it but I always think of the phrase "better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

 

[A2SG]

I have a challenge for you both. From now until election day I want you to defend Kamala without bringing up Trump. See if you can pull it off.

Difficulty level: Easy.

What would be the point? If someone is truly on the fence trying to decide between Harris and Trump, I'm not sure what I can say to sway them that hasn't already been said many times over.

My view here is simple: if you don't like Kamala Harris, feel free to not vote for her. I'm not part of her campaign, I'm not here to stump for her. I'm here to have some discussions on political issues...and when discussing the campaign, if one candidate comes up, a comparison to their opponent is entirely germane.

If that's not your cup of tea, that's fine.

-- A2SG, besides, voting for Harris because she's not her opponent is an entirely valid reason to vote for her....

 

[A2SG]

Sarah was just the closest thing to an example.

Not sure I see much to compare the two on, frankly.

Probably went a little too low on the rib shot there.I disagree with her on many things.She is smarter than people think .Her years as a prosecutor proved that.I believe her job as boder szar was not good and it may hurt her in election

I think a lot of people misunderstood what her duties were, to be honest. For instance, she was never tasked with taking care of the border. Now, that isn't to say that the Biden administration handled the border issue perfectly, it did not. Then again, the border has been a problem for generations, and no one, not Trump or anyone else, has yet to fix it. So...

There was a bill that would help, and it seemed to have bipartisan support...at least, until Trump decided he'd rather not have the border problem fixed under Biden's watch, so he could campaign on the issue. This, to me, shows us all where his priorities lie.

-- A2SG, sure, NOW people are saying it was a bad bill...but were they saying that before Trump told them not to like it?

 

[MrMoe]

Thanks, but no thanks. I won't use anything Trump says as an excuse for what Harris says. That's a tactic that I keep calling out time after time. Often to no avail.

But you do use Trump as a deflection from what Harris says. That's a tactic that I keep calling out time after time. Also often to no avail.

So what you won't get from me is 'Well, Trump says things much worse, so therefore you can't complain about Harris'. That's not a valid argument. You can complain about Harris if it's a genuine faux pax. You are allowed to point out any mistakes she makes.

Like I keep saying, these aren't faux pas or mistakes by Kamala, these are deliberate.

But what you will then get is 'She used a superfluous term when she was talking about deadlines? Well, how do you compare that with this?'

This question seems worded specifically to fish for this conclusion: 'Well, Trump says things much worse, so therefore you can't complain about Harris'

And you'll get an example of Trump suggesting wind turbines cause bacon prices to go up. That he prefers to be electrocuted instead of being eaten by a shark. That he thinks Hannibal Lector is a great guy. That nobody knows his opponent's surname. That in the War of Independence, you guys took over British airports.

It has to be comparable first. None of these are examples of Trump using superfluous terms, so not comparable.

I hope that you uderstand this. It's a campaign between two people. If you want to point out a valid problem with your guy's opponent, then you will have to be prepared to receive some examples in return about him. Often preceded by 'Well, if you think that's bad...'

I hope that you understand that you still have to abide by forum rules, and derailing threads with subjects that are not the topic of the thread is against forum rules.

You are free to kvetch about Trump in threads about him till your heart is content.

 

[MrMoe]

What would be the point?

Staying on topic.

If someone is truly on the fence trying to decide between Harris and Trump, I'm not sure what I can say to sway them that hasn't already been said many times over.

Then why bring up a Trump quote in a thread about Harris? What was your motive?

My view here is simple: if you don't like Kamala Harris, feel free to not vote for her. I'm not part of her campaign, I'm not here to stump for her. I'm here to have some discussions on political issues...and when discussing the campaign, if one candidate comes up, a comparison to their opponent is entirely germane.

If that's not your cup of tea, that's fine.

-- A2SG, besides, voting for Harris because she's not her opponent is an entirely valid reason to vote for her....

They have to be comparable first. Kamala Harris saying something completely nonsensical and Trump clumsily trying to articulate how he feels about the the battle at Gettysburg are not comparable.

 

[A2SG]

Staying on topic.

Yeah, well...Not sure how this relates to teleprompters, though.

Then why bring up a Trump quote in a thread about Harris? What was your motive?

To compare the two.

If someone uses that comparison when voting, that's fine. If not, that's fine too.

They have to be comparable first. Kamala Harris saying something completely nonsensical and Trump clumsily trying to articulate how he feels about the the battle at Gettysburg are not comparable.

Seems to me comparing Harris saying something nonsensical is very comparable to Trump saying something nonsensical.

Thing is, you're gonna run out of nonsensical things said by Harris long before you run out of them for Trump.

Assuming that either one making a nonsensical statement means anything, of course.

-- A2SG, your call, I guess.....

 

[Bradskii]

But you do use Trump as a deflection from what Harris says. That's a tactic that I keep calling out time after time. Also often to no avail.

No, if you are right about what you say, then I'll accept it. But you will get a comparison.

It has to be comparable first. None of these are examples of Trump using superfluous terms, so not comparable.

Oh, good grief. So we can't mention Trump talking about 18th century airfields until Harris mentions Civil War tanks. And only then can we compare the way the two of them talk.

I hope that you understand that you still have to abide by forum rules, and derailing threads with subjects that are not the topic of the thread is against forum rules.

This is a thread about a particular election interview that Harris made. Then other quotes and satirical late night shows clips were brought to the table. At that point, it's a discussion about the election and any general complaint about how Harris presents herself will likewise be met with general observations about her opponent.

 

[RoBo1988]

There was a bill that would help, and it seemed to have bipartisan support...at least, until Trump decided he'd rather not have the border problem fixed under Biden's watch, so he could campaign on the issue. This, to me, shows us all where his priorities lie.

-- A2SG, sure, NOW people are saying it was a bad bill...but were they saying that before Trump told them not to like it?

There's HR 2, passed in the house, still on Chuck Schumer's desk. Never debated or brought to a vote.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2

 

[A2SG]

There's HR 2, passed in the house, still on Chuck Schumer's desk. Never debated or brought to a vote.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2

I think that's a different bill. I checked the co-sponsors, and not a single D among them. I think we're talking about different bills.

But, regardless...how would this bill solve the border problem, exactly?

-- A2SG, more information would be helpful here....

 

[RoBo1988]

I think that's a different bill. I checked the co-sponsors, and not a single D among them. I think we're talking about different bills.

But, regardless...how would this bill solve the border problem, exactly?

-- A2SG, more information would be helpful here....

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It was passed with no Democrats voting for it. Probably because it didn't allow 5000 illegals in per day.

 

[A2SG]

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It was passed with no Democrats voting for it. Probably because it didn't allow 5000 illegals in per day.

It does a bit more than that, it seems. Which probably explains why democrats chose not to vote for it, and Biden pledged to veto it. But that isn't the bill I was referring to.

It was HR 815, a bipartisan bill that Trump ordered killed, even though it had republican support before his pronouncement. I've heard a lot of criticism of the bill after Trump killed it, but I don't recall hearing the same things beforehand.

https://www.sinema.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Bipartisan-Border-Security-Package-Myths-vs-Facts.pdf

-- A2SG, all so Biden wouldn't get a political victory....something Trump couldn't allow....

 

[Whyayeman]

I don't know who said it but I always think of the phrase "better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Mark Twain. Just saying.

'Cauliflower is nothing but cabbage with a college education.' (Not sure if this is helpful . . .)

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think a lot of people misunderstood what her duties were, to be honest.

Unless her duties involved getting illegals into the US, she failed.

For instance, she was never tasked with taking care of the border. Now, that isn't to say that the Biden administration handled the border issue perfectly, it did not.

Perfectly isn't how I'd describe the issue...

They ignored it for 3 years, threw together some legislation at the last minute, then blamed Trump when it failed....as if Trump had a vote on the issue in some way.

Then again, the border has been a problem for generations, and no one, not Trump or anyone else, has yet to fix it. So...

Remarkable. I suppose that the years of Democrats lying under Trump claiming it wasn't a problem plus the years under Biden ignoring it was a problem are sufficient to believe that the Democratic Party shouldn't be trusted to even attempt to fix the problem.

-- A2SG, sure, NOW people are saying it was a bad bill...but were they saying that before Trump told them not to like it?

Again, blaming Trump as if he was the reason the bill died. He doesn't have any vote. 200 Republicans endorsed Harris. If anything, it seems like she has more influence in the Republican Party than Trump lol.

The Democrats failed on the border... for 8 years. They lied about it under Trump. They lied about possible solutions (we just need to fix the nations these people are leaving, derp!). They spent 3 years ignoring the problem, 2 of which they could have passed any bill they wanted....and then 1 year before elections, when Democrats are hurting in big cities like NYC and Chicago, and Venezuelan gangs are murdering US citizens and illegals are squatting and taking over people's homes with force (those police would be helpful now, wouldn't they?) this administration puts a band aid on the problem with no real intentions of fixing it (they want to speed up the process that allows illegals into the US) just to blame Trump....

A guy they're desperately trying to throw in jail....he's the one that's sooooo powerful that he decides which legislation passes lol.

Honestly....has it not occurred to you yet that perhaps your media sources are lying to you? That perhaps....there's this slight possibility that you're being deceived? That they're just telling you whatever you want to read?


I mean, they lied about the problem even existing under Trump. They barely acknowledged it was a problem under Biden. Just how likely is it that you're being lied to about Trump being the reason why the bill didn't pass?

Remember that nurse in GA that got murdered by the illegal? Did you know he's associated with the violent Venezuelan gang robbing people of millions in Florida? The same gang that is forcing people from their homes in Denver and Houston? Remember when they lied about the 12yo girl who needed the abortion just to hide the fact that she was in a sanctuary city with her illegal mom and being raped by her mom's illegal bf? Did you know more illegals died under Biden trying to cross than every other president since 2000 combined? Did you know that the massive child labor bust by the Dept of Labor resulted in a tiny fine for the businesses responsible?

How come Harris hasn't even proposed a solution to this massive problem created by her administration?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Mark Twain. Just saying.

Really? It does sound like him...

'Cauliflower is nothing but cabbage with a college education.' (Not sure if this is helpful . . .)

Lol no....but ty anyway.

 

[A2SG]

Unless her duties involved getting illegals into the US, she failed.

They weren't. But if you don't know what her actual duties were, then it'd be difficult to judge how well she did them, wouldn't you say?

Perfectly isn't how I'd describe the issue...

They ignored it for 3 years, threw together some legislation at the last minute, then blamed Trump when it failed....as if Trump had a vote on the issue in some way.

Well, there was a bipartisan bill up for a vote. Until Trump told his followers to kill it, and they did as commanded.

Remarkable. I suppose that the years of Democrats lying under Trump claiming it wasn't a problem plus the years under Biden ignoring it was a problem are sufficient to believe that the Democratic Party shouldn't be trusted to even attempt to fix the problem.

Considering the GOP's track record isn't any better, perhaps both parties need to step up and work together.

They did once, at least. Until Trump decided he wanted to run on the issue instead.

Again, blaming Trump as if he was the reason the bill died. He doesn't have any vote. 200 Republicans endorsed Harris. If anything, it seems like she has more influence in the Republican Party than Trump lol.

“As the leader of our party, there is zero chance I will support this horrible open borders betrayal of America,” Trump told his supporters on Saturday. “I’ll fight it all the way. A lot of the senators are trying to say, respectfully, they’re blaming it on me. I say, that’s okay. Please blame it on me. Please.”

-- A2SG, whatever Donny wants....

 

[Ana the Ist]

They weren't. But if you don't know what her actual duties were, then it'd be difficult to judge how well she did them, wouldn't you say?

Well it's either to lower the amount of illegal border crossers....or increase the amount.

Only one of those things happened.

Well, there was a bipartisan bill up for a vote. Until Trump told his followers to kill it, and they did as commanded.

You've learned your propaganda well.

The actual people who killed the bill seem to think it wouldn't have worked.

Considering the GOP's track record isn't any better, perhaps both parties need to step up and work together.

Are we talking about the GOP that claimed there was a problem for 8 of the last 8 years, had at least 1 successful program (remain in Mexico) that wasn't eliminated by Democrats, and requested far less money to deal with the issue?

They did once, at least.

It appears their solution involved speeding up entry in the US.

“As the leader of our party, there is zero chance I will support this horrible open borders betrayal of America,” Trump told his supporters on Saturday. “I’ll fight it all the way. A lot of the senators are trying to say, respectfully, they’re blaming it on me. I say, that’s okay. Please blame it on me. Please.”

It's a bad bill....but hey, whatever lies you need to tell yourself.

 

[A2SG]

Well it's either to lower the amount of illegal border crossers....or increase the amount.

Only one of those things happened.

Her duties did not include either.

You've learned your propaganda well.

The actual people who killed the bill seem to think it wouldn't have worked.

Sure, they say that now, after Trump gave his orders. But what did they say when they worked on the bill?

Are we talking about the GOP that claimed there was a problem for 8 of the last 8 years, had at least 1 successful program (remain in Mexico) that wasn't eliminated by Democrats, and requested far less money to deal with the issue?

You do realize there have been issues with the border that go back further than 8 years ago, right?

It appears their solution involved speeding up entry in the US.

Not really, no. But feel free to research the issue, if you're so inclined.

It's a bad bill....but hey, whatever lies you need to tell yourself.

Yup, that's what Donny said, so it must be true.

Because Trump always tells the truth.

-- A2SG, good thing I don't have to maintain a straight face when I type this stuff....

 

[MrMoe]

Yeah, well...Not sure how this relates to teleprompters, though.

Kamala relies on teleprompters. Without any assistance from pre-written words Kamala usually reverts to word salads.

To compare the two.

But why though? What's the motive behind comparing the two?

If someone uses that comparison when voting, that's fine. If not, that's fine too.

People can compare them on their own.

Seems to me comparing Harris saying something nonsensical is very comparable to Trump saying something nonsensical.

Trump saying how he feels about of the battle at Gettysburg makes sense. Kamala saying she plans to put "deadlines around time" is as nonsensical as saying 'deadlines around space'.

Thing is, you're gonna run out of nonsensical things said by Harris long before you run out of them for Trump.

There's no way that you could know that unless you knew everything they've ever said.

Assuming that either one making a nonsensical statement means anything, of course.

-- A2SG, your call, I guess.....

It could mean a few things.