so what's with this notion part ll

[benedictaoo]

Please stop hitting the return key so many times between lines. Thanks.

I'm guilty of that too. I do it because I'm trying to be sensitive (because I'm sensitive like that) to those who may have bad eyes... because its easier to read when you break up the paragraphs.

 

[benedictaoo]

Snippy this morning, are we?

I did say please.

If that's it, okay. I prefer to try to be motivated by love rather than fear.

As an aside, I tend to stick to general revelation (i.e., Scripture and Tradition) when it comes to by daily walk. There's more than enough there for me to chew on.

and the private is just that, private and its considered the lowest rung of teaching that we are not required to follow.

we can but only piously so... and we can not tell people this is defintive truth.

I just do not understand why people on here quote it as if its the same as actual doctrine... its not.

with that said, its worthy of belief and to be respected but to use it to prove your own idology... wow. that's out the box.

 

[WarriorAngel]

LOL...

Whatever. Have it your way Bene, you will anyway even if sage advice is out there.

 

[WarriorAngel]

So WA, is it your belief that God hates us and this hate and fear of Him sending us to hell should be what convinces us to love Him and follow His laws? And when we do, then He will love us and take us to heaven with Him, after we burn in purgatory for awhile, that is?

Sam Cooke-Twistin' The Night Away - YouTube



You go girl. Enjoy the song.

Actually, the reason God suffered those things was exactly because He loves us. As we are the body of Christ, we too will suffer. It's all part of one and the same thing.

A desire to not sin out of horror of what sin cost God is an wonderful thing to have. It's a sign of perfect contrition, if I understand perfect contrition correctly. A person like this can receive many indulgences and graces. Would that God would grant us all this grace.

Now we are cooking with gas.

Snippy this morning, are we?

Dude, until i get my coffee - fahgetaboutit.

I did say please.

If that's it, okay. I prefer to try to be motivated by love rather than fear.

As an aside, I tend to stick to general revelation (i.e., Scripture and Tradition) when it comes to by daily walk. There's more than enough there for me to chew on.

Um, look at it THIS way, please [magic word right?]
When we LOVE God and look at what sin did to Him, we cannot be anything but contrite.
Love - means saying you are sorry and trying ever so hard to not do it again if it hurts them...am i right?
Love puts the other first - and putting God first begs us to skip on the sinning.

Am i wrong on this?

 

[Antigone]

When i post
i am
writing
in paragraph form
so it seems like a
whole paragraph
is written before
i am hitting the
next
paragraph

even if it
comes out
more like a sentence
which CC does the same.

Lets not start nit picking
or it would lose
the point of the
message.

Cos does it more like this, though.

He prefers to start each sentence on a new line.

He doesn't cut them off halfway.

Also, nitpicking is one word.

 

[isshinwhat]

He didn't suggest that though.

He was just sayin that we should never fear God because God is not out to get us.

The issue is, you want to save ppl with fear and not love.

I think there has to be a balance between the two ideas. I don't fear a busy highway, but I have a healthy respect for it and the havoc in can wreak on my life if I walk into it unaware, thus I remain vigilant not to. It doesn't mean I am scared in the modern sense of the word, but I guess it can be called a healthy fear in a different sense. The same can be said of my view of Hell, but in a more serious and eternal way.

Relate this to God and some parallels can be drawn. God is love, but He will also be our judge one day. We shouldn't fear Him because He is perfectly kind, just, and merciful, but that busy highway of sin is there, and I could draw justice upon myself. I am not scared, but I do have a healthy respect which some call a healthy fear: "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is prudence," (Proverbs 9:10).

 

[Needing_Grace]

Sam Cooke-Twistin' The Night Away - YouTube



You go girl. Enjoy the song.

Now we are cooking with gas.

Dude, until i get my coffee - fahgetaboutit.
Um, look at it THIS way, please [magic word right?]
When we LOVE God and look at what sin did to Him, we cannot be anything but contrite.
Love - means saying you are sorry and trying ever so hard to not do it again if it hurts them...am i right?
Love puts the other first - and putting God first begs us to skip on the sinning.

Am i wrong on this?

Its a matter of emphasis. Yes, the threat of hell is real. At the same time, God loves us and doesn't want us to go there. We need to hold these seemingly incongruent ideas in our head and keep them in proper balance.

My early faith formation was rich in sermons designed to terrify. I still have trouble seeing God as merciful because of this.

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[WarriorAngel]

Cos does it more like this, though.

He prefers to start each sentence on a new line.

He doesn't cut them off halfway.

Also, nitpicking is one word.

Ironic.

Its a matter of emphasis. Yes, the threat of hell is real. At the same time, God loves us and doesn't want us to go there. We need to hold these seemingly incongruent ideas in our head and keep them in proper balance.

My early faith formation was rich in sermons designed to terrify. I still have trouble seeing God as merciful because of this.

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Where does the Saint say anything about hell?


Go reread it...k.

 

[Needing_Grace]

I think there has to be a balance between the two ideas. I don't fear a busy highway, but I have a healthy respect for it and the havoc in can wreak on my life if I walk into it unaware, thus I remain vigilant not to. It doesn't mean I am scared in the modern sense of the word, but I guess it can be called a healthy fear in a different sense. The same can be said of my view of Hell, but in a more serious and eternal way.

Relate this to God and some parallels can be drawn. God is love, but He will also be our judge one day. We shouldn't fear Him because He is perfectly kind, just, and merciful, but that busy highway of sin is there, and I could draw justice upon myself. I am not scared, but I do have a healthy respect which some call a healthy fear: "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is prudence," (Proverbs 9:10).

Exactly!

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[JesusIsTheWay33]

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[FranciscanSpirit]

To be honest, I suffer from great fear and anxiety and am hardly ever optimistic. If you've read what I think of having the gayness and how it makes my life unbearable

Your fear, anxiety and depression don't necessarily result from what the article was talking about. It is something you need to seek medical assistance with and possibly get medication for. I personally suggest you stop talking about "having the gayness" as if you are afflicted with a disease. You were made by God as He wishes you to be and He loves you. Let's not be bashing His handiwork.

These ways we are created are about bringing us closer to Him during this life, our incarnation, before we move on to the next part of our eternal lives.

We need conservative people and we need liberal people. Scientifically, the liberal is the one who wants to strike out and explore new territory. The conservative wants to stay in a known and structured culture and environment. Striking out is high risk/high gain. But if the risk comes to pass, if the little liberal explorers get eaten by a new predator or all fall off the side of a treacherous mountain, there is that conservative group left behind so the people survive.

The moderates are slowly spreading out from the center, feeling their way.

All people, including, BTW, gay folks, are necessary for a healthy and viable culture. This is how God made the world. Your place in it as He made you is absolutely necessary and important.

 

[isshinwhat]

God did not make a fallen world, we made it that way, thus God did not create us with sinful tendencies, and sinful tendencies are not in any sense necessary... That does not mean He doesn't love us despite our fallen nature, for that is specifically why He became man; to lift us up to Himself and heal us. I'm sure you know that, but I wanted to throw that out there...

 

[BabyChristian22]

Your fear, anxiety and depression don't necessarily result from what the article was talking about. It is something you need to seek medical assistance with and possibly get medication for. I personally suggest you stop talking about "having the gayness" as if you are afflicted with a disease. You were made by God as He wishes you to be and He loves you. Let's not be bashing His handiwork.

These ways we are created are about bringing us closer to Him during this life, our incarnation, before we move on to the next part of our eternal lives.

We need conservative people and we need liberal people. Scientifically, the liberal is the one who wants to strike out and explore new territory. The conservative wants to stay in a known and structured culture and environment. Striking out is high risk/high gain. But if the risk comes to pass, if the little liberal explorers get eaten by a new predator or all fall off the side of a treacherous mountain, there is that conservative group left behind so the people survive.

The moderates are slowly spreading out from the center, feeling their way.

All people, including, BTW, gay folks, are necessary for a healthy and viable culture. This is how God made the world. Your place in it as He made you is absolutely necessary and important.

Homosexual attraction is disordered. God created Adam and made Eve for his mate. God didn't create the world disordered. He created it with perfect order and perfect harmony. The sin of Adam and Eve caused sin to enter the world, and that's what brought sin and disorder into the world. But just to make sure no one thinks I'm bashing gays. Although homosexual attraction is disordered, it's not a sin unless it's acted upon. People with same sex attraction can make it to Heaven, but they are called to a celibate life.

 

[Needing_Grace]

Homosexual attraction is disordered. God created Adam and made Eve for his mate. God didn't create the world disordered. He created it with perfect order and perfect harmony. The sin of Adam and Eve caused sin to enter the world, and that's what brought sin and disorder into the world. But just to make sure no one thinks I'm bashing gays.

Me thinks the man doth protest too much.

Although homosexual attraction is disordered, it's not a sin unless it's acted upon. People with same sex attraction can make it to Heaven, but they are called to a celibate life.

One correction. The Church specifies "chastity," not "celibacy." They are not the same thing.

That being said, this MUST be emphasized frequently, especially by people who don't like to act kind towards others but prefer to sit in judgment over them. Too many think and act as if homosexuality were a sign of God's reprobation and that the person is damned already.

 

[BabyChristian22]

Me thinks the man doth protest too much.

One correction. The Church specifies "chastity," not "celibacy." They are not the same thing.

That being said, this MUST be emphasized frequently, especially by people who don't like to act kind towards others but prefer to sit in judgment over them. Too many think and act as if homosexuality were a sign of God's reprobation and that the person is damned already.

We all have to acknowledge that we are sinners. We all deserve to go to Hell for our sins. But God in his mercy made it possible for us to go to Heaven by Jesus' death on the cross. We all have a cross to carry. People with same sex attraction have that for their cross while heterosexuals have their own types of crosses. About homosexuals and chastity. Unless they are going to convert and marry the opposite sex, chastity means celibacy.

 

[Needing_Grace]

We all have to acknowledge that we are sinners. We all deserve to go to Hell for our sins. But God in his mercy made it possible for us to go to Heaven by Jesus' death on the cross. We all have a cross to carry. People with same sex attraction have that for their cross while heterosexuals have their own types of crosses. About homosexuals and chastity. Unless they are going to convert and marry the opposite sex, chastity means celibacy.

Well, only if you change the meaning of one of those words.

Chastity is one of the common call of all Christians. Funny how homosexuals have nothing but common calls to fall back on. The common call of chastity, holiness, etc. Priests have a special call plus the common call. Marrieds have a special call plus the common call. Homos have...a common call.

Anyway. Chastity is defined in the CCC as follows: "2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. Sexuality, in which man's belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman. The virtue of chastity therefore involves the integrity of the person and the integrality of the gift."


Someone over on CAF had a wonderful time using this text to prove that homosexual persons are damned because we apparently fail in successfully accomplishing the parts I underlined.


I hope I didn't give you ammo to use in judging me harshly...

 

[BabyChristian22]

Well, only if you change the meaning of one of those words.

Chastity is one of the common call of all Christians. Funny how homosexuals have nothing but common calls to fall back on. The common call of chastity, holiness, etc. Priests have a special call plus the common call. Marrieds have a special call plus the common call. Homos have...a common call.

Anyway. Chastity is defined in the CCC as follows: "2337 Chastity means the successful integration of sexuality within the person and thus the inner unity of man in his bodily and spiritual being. Sexuality, in which man's belonging to the bodily and biological world is expressed, becomes personal and truly human when it is integrated into the relationship of one person to another, in the complete and lifelong mutual gift of a man and a woman. The virtue of chastity therefore involves the integrity of the person and the integrality of the gift."


Someone over on CAF had a wonderful time using this text to prove that homosexual persons are damned because we apparently fail in successfully accomplishing the parts I underlined.


I hope I didn't give you ammo to use in judging me harshly...

It's true that we are all called to live a chaste life and that it doesn't always mean celibacy. But chastity does mean celibacy for unmarried or divorced heterosexuals, nuns and priests who have taken a vow of celibacy, widowed deacons, and people with same sex attraction. By the way, the "someone over on CAF" would not be one of their official apologists because one of their official apologists would not make the mistake of saying that it's not possible for someone with same sex attraction to live a chaste life. And I know this because I have been following Catholic Answers since 2004. I also have a collection of over a thousand Catholic Answers podcasts that go back to 1998, and they are very consistent with making sure that what they tell people is in full accord with the teachings of the Magisterium of the Church.

 

[WarriorAngel]

All the Saints were either chaste or faithfully Catholic in all the direction of sexuality.

 

[FranciscanSpirit]

Homosexual attraction is disordered.

So is the tendency to lie, cheat and steal. But it is not a disorder of a human, it is a disorder to the spirit.

God created Adam and made Eve for his mate.

God did not set us down like Ken and Barbie in the Mattel plastic Paradise, read the Catechism, the language is SYMBOLIC. Here is the world, you can decide whatever you want about what God has and has not done, but the fact is every single species of vertebrate animal ever studied from fish to chickens to monkeys has a predictable population of individuals with same gender attraction. As do humans.

This is God's world and He called it good.

Every person is created by God. Every person is different. Every person is attracted to sin. There is nothing different about a gay person, who are all the same beautiful, beloved children of God that you are. And, surprisingly enough, even me. We are a called to holiness through the mortification of earthly desire. We all have different forms of that challenge.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Indeed - we are all called to give up the fleshly desires, whatsoever they may be.

Some heavy crosses:
drugs
alcohol
cigarettes
porn
obsessions
envy - thievery
irascible
haughty
lust of every kind
etc