"So what?"

[The Barbarian]

You’re intentionally misrepresenting what I posted or you have a comprehension problem.

I see you edited it to clarify it about 11 minutes ago. Your original statement is quoted in one of my replies:

BPPLEE said:

Unless they work for BLM in some capacity

You then edited it to read:

Unless the people arrested work for BLM in some capacity there's no way to know if they are BlM members

Which clears up what you meant. No need to hide it. We all make statements like that. You just needed to clarify it. And you did.

I can only assume this means that you’re getting desperate.

It probably would have looked better if you just clarified the statement without the drama.

 

[rjs330]

They checked the membership of the white supremacists they caught rioting. Oh, I know...

Yes that's obvious. They didn't check the BLM rolls though.

One of the white supremacists screamed "Justice for Floyd" as he fired a rifle into a police station. Do you think he was a BLM supporter?

Hmm.. doesn't answer rhe question. I doubt he was a member, but we don't know do we. We also don't know if the other rioters were member either. Because they didn't check.

 

[BPPLEE]

I see you edited it to clarify it about 11 minutes ago. Your original statement is quoted in one of my replies:


You then edited it to read:

Which clears up what you meant. No need to hide it. We all make statements like that. You just needed to clarify it. And you did.




It probably would have looked better if you just clarified the statement without the drama.

You knew what I meant. You’re an intelligent person.

 

[rjs330]

No, I don't think the cops only check membership for far-right people they arrest. One does what one can with what one has, I suppose.

I suppose. Since white supremacists are the most dangerous people in America the FBI has all kinds of data on them. Does the FBI have all the data on the BLM members and supporters?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes that's obvious. They didn't check the BLM rolls though.

Hmm.. doesn't answer rhe question. I doubt he was a member, but we don't know do we. We also don't know if the other rioters were member either. Because they didn't check.

How would you check?

 

[The Barbarian]

I suppose. Since white supremacists are the most dangerous people in America the FBI has all kinds of data on them.

From Trump's Department of Justice:
October 6, 2020
White supremacist extremists will remain the deadliest domestic terror threat to the United States, according to the Department of Homeland Security’s first annual homeland threat assessment, which details a range of threats from election interference to unprecedented storms.

Since 2018, White supremacists have conducted more lethal attacks in the US than any other domestic extremist movement, demonstrating a “longstanding intent” to target racial and religious minorities, members of the LGBTQ+ community, politicians and those they believe promote multi-culturalism and globalization, according to the report.

“As Secretary, I am concerned about any form of violent extremism,” wrote acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf. “However, I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/white-supremacists-anarchists-dhs-homeland-threat-assessment/index.html

It is completely reasonable to be keeping tabs on the people responsible for most domestic terrorism. I suppose that BLM wasn't being closely watched, since they haven't been responsible for any terrorist attacks.

Investigating BLM because they've been targeted by white supremacist terrorists would be like investigating air travelers because they were targeted by Al-Qaeda.

 

[The Barbarian]

Hmm.. doesn't answer rhe question. I doubt he was a member, but we don't know do we. We also don't know if the other rioters were member either. Because they didn't check.

And in MAGA thinking, if there's no evidence that they were responsible, we should blame them.

 

[BPPLEE]

From Trump's Department of Justice:
October 6, 2020
White supremacist extremists will remain the deadliest domestic terror threat to the United States, according to the Department of Homeland Security’s first annual homeland threat assessment, which details a range of threats from election interference to unprecedented storms.

Since 2018, White supremacists have conducted more lethal attacks in the US than any other domestic extremist movement, demonstrating a “longstanding intent” to target racial and religious minorities, members of the LGBTQ+ community, politicians and those they believe promote multi-culturalism and globalization, according to the report.

“As Secretary, I am concerned about any form of violent extremism,” wrote acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf. “However, I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/white-supremacists-anarchists-dhs-homeland-threat-assessment/index.html

It is completely reasonable to be keeping tabs on the people responsible for most domestic terrorism. I suppose that BLM wasn't being closely watched, since they haven't been responsible for any terrorist attacks.

Investigating BLM because they've been targeted by white supremacist terrorists would be like investigating air travelers because they were targeted by Al-Qaeda.

Correct. That's why the police don't know who their members are.

 

[BPPLEE]

And in MAGA thinking, if there's no evidence that they were responsible, we should blame them.

Maybe we shouldn't blame them but we also shouldn't be posting with certainty that none of their members were responsible for any of the arson and looting.
We just don't know

 

[The Barbarian]

Maybe we shouldn't blame them but we also shouldn't be posting with certainty that none of their members were responsible for any of the arson and looting.

I didn't see anyone do that. I just note that we have abundant evidence that far-right terrorists were targeting BLM marches, but no evidence whatever that BLM members were doing any of that. And those terrorists were killing police, burning buildings, and attempting to incite riots. The intent was to blame BLM, but they were pretty obvious to anyone willing to look at the evidence.

I'd be shocked if there were absolutely no cases where some BLM person crossed the line. But no one seems to be able to find one.

 

[BPPLEE]

I didn't see anyone do that. I just note that we have abundant evidence that far-right terrorists were targeting BLM marches, but no evidence whatever that BLM members were doing any of that. And those terrorists were killing police, burning buildings, and attempting to incite riots. The intent was to blame BLM, but they were pretty obvious to anyone willing to look at the evidence.

I'd be shocked if there were absolutely no cases where some BLM person crossed the line. But no one seems to be able to find one.

You’re blowing that way out of proportion. In the examples you provided the man who incited people didn’t actually start a fire, the others were arrested before they started a fire and one person killed one police officer.
That shouldn’t be taken lightly but it’s hardly the crime wave you’re making it out to be

 

[The Barbarian]

I didn't see anyone do that. I just note that we have abundant evidence that far-right terrorists were targeting BLM marches, but no evidence whatever that BLM members were doing any of that. And those terrorists were killing police, burning buildings, and attempting to incite riots. The intent was to blame BLM, but they were pretty obvious to anyone willing to look at the evidence.

I'd be shocked if there were absolutely no cases where some BLM person crossed the line. But no one seems to be able to find one.

You’re blowing that way out of proportion.

Lack of evidence is a big deal in things like this.

In the examples you provided the man who incited people didn’t actually start a fire,

He broke windows, wrote graffiti inviting people to loot and vandalize. He merely incited arson, and initiated vandalism.

and one person killed one police officer.

I think that's a big deal, too. Why wouldn't it be for anyone?
And incitement to riot is a big deal:

18 U.S. Code § 373 - Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

www.law.cornell.edu

That shouldn’t be taken lightly but it’s hardly the crime wave you’re making it out to be

There were thousands of people involved in those riots incited by far right terrorists.

 

[BPPLEE]

I didn't see anyone do that. I just note that we have abundant evidence that far-right terrorists were targeting BLM marches, but no evidence whatever that BLM members were doing any of that. And those terrorists were killing police, burning buildings, and attempting to incite riots. The intent was to blame BLM, but they were pretty obvious to anyone willing to look at the evidence.

I'd be shocked if there were absolutely no cases where some BLM person crossed the line. But no one seems to be able to find one.


Lack of evidence is a big deal in things like this.

He broke windows, wrote graffiti inviting people to loot and vandalize. He merely incited arson, and initiated vandalism.

I think that's a big deal, too. Why wouldn't it be for anyone?
And incitement to riot is a big deal:

18 U.S. Code § 373 - Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

www.law.cornell.edu

There were thousands of people involved in those riots incited by far right terrorists.

You’ve shown one incident where a far right instigator started a riot

 

[The Barbarian]

You’ve shown one incident where a far right instigator started a riot

How many where a BLM member did that?

Another was the white supremacist arrested for shooting into a police station while screaming "Justice for Floyd!" Turns out, the perp actually admitted it on social media. Want more?

Riots in downtown Richmond over the weekend were instigated by white supremacists under the guise of Black Lives Matter, according to law enforcement officials. Protesters tore down police tape and pushed forward toward Richmond police headquarters, where they set a city dump truck on fire.

Police declared the event an “unlawful assembly” and ordered people to leave, later deploying tear gas. Six people were arrested. The mayor of Richmond thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters he said tried to stop the white supremacists from spearheading the violence.

“Their mission is simple, not the Richmond we know,” said Mayor Levar Stoney.

Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter

Riots in downtown Richmond over the weekend were instigated by white supremacists under the guise of Black Lives Matter, according to law enforcement officials.

www.wsls.com

 

[BPPLEE]

How many where a BLM member did that?

Another was the white supremacist arrested for shooting into a police station while screaming "Justice for Floyd!" Turns out, the perp actually admitted it on social media. Want more?

Riots in downtown Richmond over the weekend were instigated by white supremacists under the guise of Black Lives Matter, according to law enforcement officials. Protesters tore down police tape and pushed forward toward Richmond police headquarters, where they set a city dump truck on fire.

Police declared the event an “unlawful assembly” and ordered people to leave, later deploying tear gas. Six people were arrested. The mayor of Richmond thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters he said tried to stop the white supremacists from spearheading the violence.

“Their mission is simple, not the Richmond we know,” said Mayor Levar Stoney.

Police: Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter

Riots in downtown Richmond over the weekend were instigated by white supremacists under the guise of Black Lives Matter, according to law enforcement officials.

www.wsls.com

There were few incidents like that.
The way you've framed it almost all the violence was incited by white supremacists and far right terrorists.
That's just not accurate

 

[The Barbarian]

There were few incidents like that.
The way you've framed it almost all the violence was incited by white supremacists and far right terrorists.
That's just not accurate

Not all of it. Maybe not even almost all of it.

But a great deal of it.

The Big Lie was "the liberals and BLM did it."

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals​

AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals.

apnews.com

And it's true that some of the weirder people in the Trump administration peddled the "cities are burning" lie to make it seem worse than it was.

Gen. Mark Milley bluntly told Stephen Miller to "Shut up!" When Miller started lying about it in a WH meeting. (Actually he didn't just say "Shut up", so I won't link to it)

 

[rjs330]

You’ve shown one incident where a far right instigator started a riot

Irs even debatable that they started the riot. One guy gets a whole riot going? I'm not buying it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Irs even debatable that they started the riot. One guy gets a whole riot going? I'm not buying it.

Of the federal cases, 40% were white, 33% were black and 6% were Hispanic (that's only 83% so something doesn't add up)
The article doesn't give breakdowns on the overall arrests and there's no indication that the whites are far right extremists or white supremacists

AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals.

apnews.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

One of the white supremacists screamed "Justice for Floyd" as he fired a rifle into a police station. Do you think he was a BLM supporter?

Clearly an accelerationist. (A common ideology among the "boogaloo bois".)

 

[BPPLEE]

Fact check: Thousands of Black Lives Matter protesters were arrested in 2020

Estimates put the cost of protest-related damage in 2020 at about $2 billion. But it's wrong to say protesters didn't face consequences.

www.usatoday.com

Fact check: Thousands of Black Lives Matter protesters were arrested in 2020​