Well, I will not hate you, my friend. I am commanded by God (within His Word) to love even my enemies (Matthew 5:44).
You said:
actually there is one thing that throws your"guess" out of whack...
It's not a guess! Leviticus 18:8, Leviticus 20:11, and Leviticus 20:17 give us the MEANING of the metaphorical language that is used in Genesis 9. Moses wrote all fives books of the Torah (i.e. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). In other words, Moses would have used a language that was consistent.
For example: Imagine if a person named "Shacka" visits America for the first time. They know how to speak and write English, but they do not know about all of America's slang or figures of speech. Shacka hears a conversation between Rick and Bob. Rick says to Bob, how is Billy doing? "He is not with us anymore. I am sad to say that Billy, bought the farm, my friend" Now, Shacka could be easily confused and think that Billy actually purchased a farm and moved away or something. But little does poor Shacka know that the phrase "bought the farm" (Here in the land of the red white and blue) is a metaphorical phrase meaning to physically die.
This is what is happening in Genesis 9 with most people here. They are reading the Story of Noah and Ham and they are reading the metaphors in this story as being literal when Moses gave us the meaning of these metaphors in Leviticus 18:8, Leviticus 20:11, and Leviticus 20:17.
Please read these verses and you will discover several things.
Both Leviticus 18:8 and Leviticus 20:11 essentially give us a definition for a metaphorical phrase (i.e. slang).
"his father's nakedness" = "his father's wife."
Then in Leviticus 20:17 we see the following:
"
see her nakedness, and
she see his nakedness;" = "
he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness."
So the word "see" = "unconver" in relation to nakedness.
This is important because it relates to God's commands against incest in Leviticus 18 (Especially see Leviticus 18:8).
Anyways, please check these verses for yourself before you reply.
Prayerfully consider them in what they say.
For the phrase "his father's nakedness" in Genesis 9 is like slang. It is a metaphor that has another meaning that is defined for us in Leviticus 18:8, Leviticus 20:11.
The phrase: "see ... nakedness" in Genesis 9 relates to Leviticus 20:17.
The words "see nakedness" is also like slang. It has a meaning that is not literal. It is a metaphor and it is defined for us in Leviticus!
People are ignoring the meaning of these metaphors in Genesis 9 and are confused like Shacka.
For example: Words like: "knew", "lay", and "slept" are all metaphors that are talking about sex in the Bible. Granted sometimes they can be used in a literal way but we know when it is metaphor and when it is not by looking at the context and cross references.
You said:
after ham comes out of the tent he tells his brothers what he saw but does nothing,
Well, Genesis 9 does not record Ham's actions after he talks to his two brothers. The Scripture does not say he does nothing. It is merely silent on saying anything more about him. So this would not be a viable point or argument against my view on this story, my friend.
You said:
then his two brothers,take one blanket and "cover" their father's nakedness by laying next to him on both sides with the blanket,so as proving they were "covering" Noah their father not his wife,
Nowhere does the text say that the two brothers laid next to Noah on each side. The text merely says the following,
"And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid
it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the
nakedness of their father; and their faces
were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness." (Genesis 9:23).
But again, when you read this verse, please realize that the phrase "the nakedness of their father" is a metaphorical phrase or slang for "his father's wife" as taken from Leviticus 18:8 and Leviticus 20:11.
You said:
besides uncovering anyone's nakedness is nowhere in the chapter
Leviticus 20:17 relates seeing nakedness .... as..... uncovering nakedness.
Please slowly read this verse over and over.
Pray over it and ask God for the understanding here.
You said:
,so Noah was plainly Naked,not covered up at all,search it out alongside the holy spirit dear brother and determine for yourself the answer,for some things be hidden amongst words others are plainly said.
So what about the mention of Noah being uncovered within his tent in Genesis 9:21?
First, Noah was clearly naked because he had sexual relations with his wife. How so? Well, in real life, husbands naturally sleep with their wives when they have been drinking. So it would not be unusual for Noah to be naked and to have sex with his wife if he was drunk and he slept next to her. In fact, Noah was given a recent command by God, “Be fruitful and multiply.” (
Genesis 9:1). So if Noah was not getting busy at spreading like rabbits than he would have been disobeying God.
Second, Noah’s nakedness speaks of authority (which plays an important part of our story). For Noah’s nakedness is an expression of authority or possession over his wife’s body; Just as Noah’s body was his wife’s possession. For it is written, “The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.” (
1 Corinthians 7:4) (NIV). This is why read in
Leviticus 18:8 says, “The nakedness of thy father's wife… is thy father's nakedness.” The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. However, sometimes this authority is usurped by others either through rape, incest, or adultery. For example: Reuben had slept with his father's concubine to usurp his father’s authority; Also, Absalom slept with David's concubines in public to usurp his father’s authority. This then makes the nakedness of Noah all the more clear. Noah is not only naked, but he is passed out drunk, leaving him in a vulnerable state; And Ham takes advantage of that by sleeping with his wife. Ham no doubt knew his father would pass out because of his drinking and he seized the opportunity to usurp his father’s authority (by sleeping with his wife) so as to humiliate him and gain power. But Ham's plan backfires. When Noah wakes up, either by a prophetic dream or by the Spirit of prophecy (i.e. having knowledge from God), Noah declares a curse on Canaan and says that Canaan’s descendants would be a servant to the descendants of his two brothers (Shem and Japheth) (See
Genesis 9:25-27).
We also see drunkeness and incest in a later story of Genesis, as well. In Genesis 19, we see Lot's two daughters getting their father drunk and they both got pregnant by him. What is interesting is that both Canaan's descendants and the descendants of Lot's two daughters were later wiped out by God. Comparing both the story of Noah and Ham vs. the story of Lot and his two daughters, we see there are several similarities. Three people were the focal point of the story involving drunkenness and incest. Drunkeness and incest took place after a miraculous judgment of God took place (i.e. the Flood and the Fires from Heaven upon Sodom and Gomora).
But where in Scripture is there a story like the literalist's view on the story of Noah and Ham in Genesis 9?
Simply put, there is no other story like it.
Also, when you examine the motives of the people within the story of Noah and Ham from the literalist view, nothing really makes any sense. Look at the text and pick apart the scene. Think like a detective and look at all the clues. Ask yourself, do people really behave like this in the real world? If you are honest with yourself, then the truth on this matter will become a little more clear to you.
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