So....what if your wrong?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Try though, if you can, to explain how the world was a better place in, say 1800, or 1950, or 1122 or 655 than it is today.

As long as you value the things you value instead of
the truth as revealed in God's Word, by Him, in the unseen,
nothing will change your mind or attitude about this.

 

[parousia70]

Yesterday was better than today. Tomorrow will be worse.

This has not changed in our lifetimes, or our parents lifetimes, or our grandparents lifetimes........

That the world keeps "not ending" and is actually getting better doesn't help your "cry wolf - sky is falling" cause too much.

 

[parousia70]

Yesterday was better than today. Tomorrow will be worse.

This has not changed in our lifetimes, or our parents lifetimes, or our grandparents lifetimes........

The exact opposite is true, by every demonstrable metric..

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A false teaching/ false gospel / may accept such 'metrics' saying/ claiming things are 'better', all the while slaughtering the innocent..

Scripture says clearly it is as in the days of Noah,
and everyone will be destroyed 'soon' (with the Lord a day is as a thousand years; no one knows the day).

 

[Blade]

Faith...works BOTH ways. And doubt.. let not that man think he will get ANYTHING from God. Promises there are over 7 thousand. Faith with out works is dead.. the only way to please God is by faith.

Everything is coming to pass... Israel alone becoming a Nation again..HELLO! Ever really study the DAY Jesus road in on that donkey? Do the math.. it was to THE DAY! Go back and look when it was foretold and MANY MANY more..

Its as if its happening before our eyes... I can hear "wheres the promise of His coming"

 

[parousia70]

Israel alone becoming a Nation again..HELLO!

That a bunch of gentile converts to the post-Christian, man made religion of the Babylonian Talmud, and their descendants, who have no verifiable relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew people, were Given a nation by the UN and called it Israel, has no bearing on Prophesy.

I can hear "wheres the promise of His coming"

The answer to that question is easy.
FULFILLED.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Wow, now I understand the OP. Seems you are confused as per the doctrine of Jesus Christ in General. I agree it's not "THE SECOND COMING" per se, Jesus came back after going to Heaven to offer his Sacrifice and stayed 40 days. Jesus is in our midst when two or more are gathered together, but the Second Coming JUDGMENT being nigh is scriptural brother. And the Holy word shows us it is upon us at this very time. Below I will detail it where no one can deny it !! It is called being able to see the signs of the times. Jesus stated we would know the signs. The days of Noah, the Fig Tree parable etc. etc. says that we will know the season.

The BELOW by Dr. David Reagan.

One hundred years ago in 1917 there was not one single, tangible, measurable sign that indicated we were living in the season of the Lord’s return. The first to appear was the Balfour Declaration which was issued by the British government later in that year, on November 2, 1917.

The declaration was prompted by the fact that during World War I the Turks sided with the Germans. And thus, when Germany lost the war, so did the Turks, and the victorious Allies decided to divide up both the German and Turkish empires. The Turkish territories, called the Ottoman Empire, contained the ancient homeland of the Jewish people, an area the Romans had named Palestine after the last Jewish revolt in 132 AD. Now, what most people do not realize is that in 1917 Palestine included all of modern day Israel and Jordan. And in the scheme the Allies concocted for dividing up the German and Turkish territories, Britain was allotted Palestine. This decision is what prompted the Balfour Declaration. In that document, Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, declared that it was the intention of the British government to establish in Palestine quote, “a national home for the Jewish people.”

The leading Evangelical Christian spokesman in England at the time was a man by the name of F. B. Meyer. He immediately recognized the prophetic significance of the declaration, for he was aware that the Scriptures prophesy that the Jewish people will be regathered to their homeland in unbelief right before the return of the Messiah. Meyer sent out a letter to the Evangelical leaders of England asking them to gather in London in mid-December to discuss the prophetic implications of the Balfour Declaration. In that letter, he stated, “The signs of the times point toward the close of the time of the Gentiles and the return of Jesus can be expected any moment.”

Since the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, we have witnessed throughout the 20th Century the appearance of sign after sign pointing to the Lord’s soon return. There are so many of these signs in fact, that one would have to be either biblically illiterate or spiritually blind not to realize that we are living on borrowed time. There are six categories of End Time Signs:

1.) The First Category of End Time Signs is The Signs of Nature. In Luke 21:11, Jesus mentioned this category when He said: “And there will be great earthquakes.

2.) The Second Category of End Time Signs is The Signs of Society. Paul mentioned this category of signs in 2 Timothy 3.

3.) The Third Category of End Time Signs is The Spiritual Signs. There are more signs in this category than any other. Many are evil in nature, but there are also some very positive ones. Concerning the negative signs, a typical passage is the following one found in 2 Timothy 4.

4.) The Fourth Category of End Time Signs is The Signs of World Politics. Jesus mentioned that category in Matthew 24 when He said: “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. For nations will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.”

5.) The Fifth Category of Signs is The Signs of Technology. Jesus mentioned this sign in Luke 21 when He said: “Men will faint from fear over the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” Daniel chapter 12 also mentions this.

6.) The Sixth Category of Signs is The Signs of Israel. An example of such signs can be found in Zechariah 12:3 where it says: “And it shall come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; and all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.”

The signs that relate to Israel are the most important of all because the Jews are God’s prophetic time clock. What I mean by this is that the Scriptures will often tie a prophesied future event with something that will happen to the Jews. We are told to watch the Jews, and when the prophesied event concerning them occurs, we can be sure that the other prophesied event will also occur.

An example can be found in Luke 21:24 where Jesus prophesied that the Jews would be dispersed from Jerusalem and be led captive among all the nations. But, then He added that one day they would return to re-occupy Jerusalem, and when that happens, the end time events will occur that will lead to His return. There are many, many prophecies concerning the Jews in the end times, many of which began to be fulfilled in the 20th Century, but there are four key ones. The first is their worldwide regathering in unbelief which you can read about in Isaiah 11.

In 1900 there were only 40,000 Jews in Palestine. By the end of World War II their number had risen to 600,000. Today, there are more than six and a half million who have come from all over the world.

Okay, I have summarized for you six different categories of signs, each category containing many prophecies concerning the end times, all of which are being fulfilled before our very eyes. Let me conclude now by specifically listing 50 of those prophecies:

1. Increasing instability of nature.
2. Increasing lawlessness and violence.
3. Increasing immorality.
4. Increasing materialism.
5. Increasing Hedonism.
6. Increasing influence of Humanism.
7. Depraved entertainment.
8. Calling evil good and good evil.
9. Increasing use of drugs.
10. Increasing blasphemy.
11. Increasing paganism.
12. Increasing despair.
13. Signs in the heavens.
14. Increasing knowledge.
15. Increasing travel.
16. The explosion of cults.
17. The proliferation of false christs.
18. Increasing apostasy in the Church.
19. Increasing attacks on Jesus.
20. Increasing attacks on the Bible.
21. Increasing persecution of Christians.
22. Increasing occultism.
23. Wars and rumors of wars.
24. Weapons of mass destruction.
25. Increasing famine.
26. Increasing pestilence.
27. Computer technology.
28. Television.
29. Satellite technology.
30. Virtual reality.
31. Unification of Europe.
32. Far Eastern military powers.
33. Movement toward world government.
34. Regathering of the Jews.
35. Re-establishment of Israel.
36. Reclamation of the land of Israel from desolation to abundance.
37. Revival of Biblical Hebrew.
38. Re-occupation of Jerusalem.
39. Resurgence of the Israeli military.
40. Re-focusing of world politics on Israel.
41. Russian threat to Israel.
42. Arab threat to Israel.
43. Denial of the Second Coming.
44. Denial of creation by God.
45. Outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
46. Translation of the Bible into many languages.
47. Preaching of the Gospel worldwide.
48. The revival of Messianic Judaism.
49. The revival of Davidic praise worship.
50. The understanding of Bible prophecy.

Folks, this list could be greatly expanded, but the 50 examples I’ve just given you should be sufficient to show that we are living in the season of the Lord’s return. The Bible clearly teaches that God never pours out His wrath without warning for He is a just and loving God who does not wish that any should perish. That’s why He has provided so many signs to alert us to the fact that we are living on the threshold of the Tribulation.

Believe it or not, after listing all those signs of the times, I still have not mentioned the most important sign of all. Collectively, the Signs of Israel are the most important category. But there is one sign that does not fit into any category because it overreaches all the categories, and it is the most important sign of all. What I have in mind is the Sign of Convergence; the fact that all the signs are converging for the first time ever.

Folks, the bottom line message of all these signs is that we are living on borrowed time. And the crucial question for every human being is Are you ready? Are you ready for the return of Jesus? Will He come as your Blessed Hope or your Holy Terror? It will be one or the other, for God is determined to deal with sin, and He does so with either grace or wrath.

The above is by Dr. David Reagan.........

And my reply: A giant spider web of deceit and false prophecy in guise of end time prophecy teachings. Robbing the saints of a scriptural vision for the future; bringing upon them self fulfilling degradation in their nations because they cannot work with God to build and maintain them on Biblical principle. And Like I said. What if I am right?
The below is by me: Daniel Martinovich
How The Nations Are Blessed

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

Lol, true. But I’m the anti end times expert. My sorrow is watching ground gained by past generations lost because the saints have forsaken the battle. They think the ground they are losing is because it’s “the end times.” When in reality, it’s being lost because they are no match for the wicked. God cannot develope them as individuals into all he wants them to be because they are filled with lies about the future that have to be exposed and rejected before he can do his thing in their hearts.

Here is a 15 minute sermon mostly by David Wilkerson talking about how important it is too be looking for the return of the LORD. You see if every Christian had this mindset the world would be a different place. I challenge you to watch it and consider how powerful a body of influence would be if all had this mindset? The laws of blessing and cursing are a witness against us as the homeless crisis is not a temporary thing but an expanding problem without authority. The boat is leaking fast and you can't vote in repentance you have to live and preach it; that is how to change the world.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Hi a nation or people get the leaders that come from within and the 7 mountain mandate you speak of indirectly has been shifted to a world view that is embracing doctrines of demons instead of a righteousness based on Godly fear and convictions.

I said nothing about a seven mountain mandate. I do not believe in the doctrine of the dominionists. They are still end timers like yourself. They just think God is going to give us one last big flash bang revival that will put Christian leaders in political power and then the end times will come. Total, utter foolishness. What I said is what the scripture teaches and what has been happening and slowly growing since the age of the four gentile empires ended and the Bible began to get into the hands of the general public.
That: Daniel 2:35 says..... and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth....44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

We can see that at this point in many places a man who would run for Senate in CA, NY, and many other places would have no chance to win because the moral climate of the public has been corrupted and they oppose the truth if Biblical wisdom and morality. This did not happen because of any eschatological divide but by the tactics of Balaam. If we look at the path America took to get to where we are politically and morally they are one and the same. They corrupted the culture and infiltrated the centers of learning and media that have influence and incrementally steered society into a culture that is as the culture in the days of Noah and Lot. The gospel is the same for you and I and only a change in the moral world view will create a population that would vote for a moral man. The understanding of a future tribulation of 7 years and then the return of Christ does not produce a lethargy in most churches who hold to it. The application I see taught is to redeem the time and share the LORD and do not be conformed to this world. There is no mind set that is lets just sit on the sidelines and wait to get taken out.

And I say the reason the wicked are a greater influnce in western culture and politics now is because the believers are no match for them due to false teachings accepted as gospel. Front and center of these is the subject at hand that prevents those who accept this false prophecy about the future from the personal development that will make them more than a match for the wicked. I'm mean God is with them. How can the wicked best them at every turn??? Or as someone far more apt to speak on it than me said:
Brethren, our preaching will bear its legitimate fruits.
If immorality prevails in the land, the fault is ours in a great degree.
If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If the public press lacks moral discrimination, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If the world loses its interest in religion, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If our politics become so corrupt that the very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it.
Let us not ignore this fact, my dear brethren; but let us lay it to heart, and be thoroughly awake to our responsibility in respect to the morals of this nation.
The Rev. Charles Finney (d. 1875)

You surmise that you are right and call those who hold to future views false prophets.

Nope said they are under the spell of false prophecy....in the guise of end time prophecy teachings. False prophets are not going to heaven. I assume most of those I speak to are real Christians and heaven bound.

The evidence shows a world lined up exactly as the futurist believe with Israel as a nation again and prepared to resume the daily sacrifices which are a critical element for the mid point of the 7 year tribulation which will be the abomination of desolation. Jerusalem is a troublesome stone to the rest of the world as Zech 12 predicts. The covenant that Dan 9 says the prince who shall come will confirm with Israel and the many which leads to the sacrifice being stopped in the middle of the week is talked about by Trump proposing the peace plan and so to are many other nations such as France and England all using the same sentiment that Jesus said to watch for saying when they say peace and security or prosperity that is when sudden destruction comes. This is all happening at the time when a one world government is too be formed. One that is demonic in its ideology. The UN is the structure set up to be the world governing authority. The UN advertises that it will bring in the anitchrist with Isaiah written on the wall outside HQ IN NY They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks and they shall learn war no more. Bush senior who died is famous for talking about the NWO openly and he is quoted many times as saying the NWO will fulfill the mandate and vision of the founders of the UN. At the UN they have inside a thing called the UN earth charter. This is a set of principals for world government. It was largely written by Gorbachov and they built a new age ark of the covenant and placed it inside and carried it on poles just like the real ark and placed it inside. This symbolism is blasphemous and very telling. This is the new commandment for the world with the authority as it were from God. You mention Dan 7 and you see the kingdom does not come until the one speaking pompous words and persecuting the saints is put down and one like the son of man comes and victory is given to the saints to possess the kingdom. This pompous one is given a times times and half a time before he is dealt with. Rev 13 shows the antichrist getting power over the whole earth for 42 months which is the same amount of time Dan 7 refers too.

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• The return of the LORD is what saves and stops him and just as the prophecy in Gen is about the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent this is when Jesus crushes Satans head. In Rev 20 the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire and Satan is bound for 1000 years. those beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast are said to live again and reign with Jesus for 1000 years. This passage takes a literal view of Rev 13 and the 42 months when the beast get power and enforces the mark of the beast. In Dan 7 when teh Son of man comes the pompous one is given to the flame and the rest of the beasts lose their authority but their lives are prolonged for a season and time. In Rev we see the angel proclaim the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our LORD and His Christ and He shall rule forever. In Zech 14 we see the day that the LORD is pronounced king over all the earth. This day Jerusalem is being overrun and the LORD comes from heaven with His saints and the MT of Olives splits in two and a new river will flow year round. The LORD destroys many that day and of those who are left life continues as the nations must now keep the feast of tabernacles or they will get no rain. This is teh 2nd coming the downfall of antichrist and the beginning of the kingdom age.
  
• You are welcome to hold another view and try to downplay the effect of your possibly being wrong yet Rev warns not ot ad or take away from the book. If there is a 2nd coming and millennium would you be guilty of this?
  
• The facts will play out but odds of the world being set up exactly as futurist believe is very strong evidence that they are trending correct.
  
• Here is a link to Bush talking about the NWO and UN as the future world government.
  

The rest, just the the spider web of deceit that has captured the hearts of so many. Some day after more than half the worlds population claims Christianity. ( About 20-30 years away if the present trend continues.) The world will have changed so much more for the better due to their influnce. That they will look back on the 20th up to the mid 21st century with astonishment. They will wonder how on earth these generations could have been so deceived as to what the future held. That God was working his plan right in front of their eyes and it was right there in black and white in the prophecy but they could not see it. They will judge these generations as falling far short of the Glory of God that he had for them. It will be sad but God will be getting all the praise for what he wrought in the earth.
Isaiah 9:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Here is a 15 minute sermon mostly by David Wilkerson talking about how important it is too be looking for the return of the LORD. You see if every Christian had this mindset the world would be a different place. I challenge you to watch it and consider how powerful a body of influence would be if all had this mindset? The laws of blessing and cursing are a witness against us as the homeless crisis is not a temporary thing but an expanding problem without authority. The boat is leaking fast and you can't vote in repentance you have to live and preach it; that is how to change the world.

He is part of the problem, not the solution. Those who understand the scripture and what the coming of the Lord is certainly believe in it. But they also know it is not an end of the world event that will usher in a visible \physical kingdom of God. Or forefathers certainly understood it.
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on.
(Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His truth is marching on.
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His day is marching on.
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, Since God is marching on."
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on.
He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave, So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave, Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I agree that false prophecy is, quite often, modern prophecy interpretations. However, it is also much else.

For instance, the world believes many false prophecies, via their expectations of science, and their largely atheistic world views.

I would also challenge you, in regards to believing the reign of Christ has already begun.

The problem with adding and taking away from Revelation happens at exactly this juncture. But, it has also been a problem since the first century. As the Beast has been around, all along.

Technically, the Beast is identified after the fall of Rome, but Rome remains an intrinsic part of the Beast. It is the iron in the feet of clay and iron, just as we now know that Rome was the iron calves of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar.

Humans and their ways will not bring fulfillment of the promises.

It comes from God, Jesus returning with untold numbers of Angels.

This certainly has not happened, yet.

And that is the crux of the problem: people worship the world, via the beast, by saying, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war with the beast?" The Kingdom of God can, that is who.

But, instead of looking to that salvation, from Heaven, they did as Abraham did with Hagar.

It is unfortunate that Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, and his teachings have so rarely been applied by people personally, and to their own groups.

God exiled the Christians into metaphoric Babylon, the religious establishment. They are as the religious establishment during the times of Jesus.

Except for one or two people. Every one of you without exception is preaching about a visible\physical kingdom to come where God will supernaturally impose righteousness on the earth. Exactly what the religious leaders in Jesus day thought too. Yet here we are 500 years past the end of the 4th of the 4 empires named and dated in scripture and the prophecies of the age of promise are blossoming before our eyes. Even with great opposition that has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions. The world has not been able to stop it.
Yet I see very little fear about the possibility that ya'll could be wrong about the very idea of a physical \visible kingdom being the vehicle in which righteousness dwells on our planet.
Another, (very popular) article I wrote. About it never being about a physical \visible Kingdom bringing the earthly promises of God to pass. If your interested.
What Is The Government Of God?

 

[Revealing Times]

How do you reconcile that with this?:

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;

How often does Jesus travel from earth into Heaven to present His perfect sacrifice for us?

Based on your statement and this passage from Hebrews, you must believe at least twice, right?

But scripture says only once:

25not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Read John chapter 20 and its self explanatory. I will show you the details, but will you see it ?

John chapter 20:
Mary goes to Jesus/ tomb, the rock is rolled away, she goes to Peter and the Disciples to tell them this, therefore Peter and the Disciples went to the grave, they saw Jesus Linen Clothes but no Jesus. They went back home not knowing what to think. But Mary stayed, weeping, the she saw two Angels dressed in White sitting a the foot and head of where Jesus had been laid.

John 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

{{{ Jesus told Mary not to touch him, do you realize why ? Because the SACRIFICE, the ONCE AND FOR ALL SACRIFICE, which was Christ Jesus, had not yet been offered unto God and ANY FLESH that touched that Sacrifice would have defiled that Sacrifice (Christ Jesus' offering) via the Sin Nature of Mary. Read about the Holy of Holies, who could enter and under what circumstances. The Jesus tells Mary, WATCH THIS.....I Ascend to my Father God. Later on guess what we will see, Jesus telling Doubting Thomas to TOUCH HIM in his wounds !! Meaning what ? That Jesus had already been to the Father to offer the Sacrifice, and then 8 days later RETURNED to Earth. }}}

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. 24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

{{ Jesus came that same day and showed himself to the Disciples. Nut Thomas was not there.}}

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

{{{ So since Jesus warned Mary about DEFILING the Sacrifice by touching him (NO FLESH CAN ENTER Heaven), why would he allow Thomas to the TOUCH HIM in his wounds ? DING, DING, DING, Jesus had already Ascended to the Father, just like he told the Disciples he was about to do, to offer the Sacrifice once and for all, then after Jesus left the Holy of Holies having offered himself once and for all, a living Sacrifice for our sins, he returned to earth, and we see him 8 days later allowing Thomas to touch his wounds, thereby we must understand, Thomas was no threat to defile the Sacrifice because the Sacrifice had already been offered up to the Father by Jesus. }}}

No one said he offers the Sacrifice continually but you brother. I just stated he has returned to earth. And I have proven he returned after offering the Sacrifice. And we know where two are more are gathered Jesus is with us in Spirit, but being with the Disciples in the flesh was a real event that actually happened, thus Jesus has returned to earth already. Its pretty obvious.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

I said nothing about a seven mountain mandate. I do not believe in the doctrine of the dominionists. They are still end timers like yourself. They just think God is going to give us one last big flash bang revival that will put Christian leaders in political power and then the end times will come. Total, utter foolishness. What I said is what the scripture teaches and what has been happening and slowly growing since the age of the four gentile empires ended and the Bible began to get into the hands of the general public.
That: Daniel 2:35 says..... and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth....44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

And I say the reason the wicked are a greater influnce in western culture and politics now is because the believers are no match for them due to false teachings accepted as gospel. Front and center of these is the subject at hand that prevents those who accept this false prophecy about the future from the personal development that will make them more than a match for the wicked. I'm mean God is with them. How can the wicked best them at every turn??? Or as someone far more apt to speak on it than me said:
Brethren, our preaching will bear its legitimate fruits.
If immorality prevails in the land, the fault is ours in a great degree.
If there is a decay of conscience, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If the public press lacks moral discrimination, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If the church is degenerate and worldly, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If the world loses its interest in religion, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If Satan rules in our halls of legislation, the pulpit is responsible for it.
If our politics become so corrupt that the very foundations of our government are ready to fall away, the pulpit is responsible for it.
Let us not ignore this fact, my dear brethren; but let us lay it to heart, and be thoroughly awake to our responsibility in respect to the morals of this nation.
The Rev. Charles Finney (d. 1875)

Nope said they are under the spell of false prophecy....in the guise of end time prophecy teachings. False prophets are not going to heaven. I assume most of those I speak to are real Christians and heaven bound.

The rest, just the the spider web of deceit that has captured the hearts of so many. Some day after more than half the worlds population claims Christianity. ( About 20-30 years away if the present trend continues.) The world will have changed so much more for the better due to their influnce. That they will look back on the 20th up to the mid 21st century with astonishment. They will wonder how on earth these generations could have been so deceived as to what the future held. That God was working his plan right in front of their eyes and it was right there in black and white in the prophecy but they could not see it. They will judge these generations as falling far short of the Glory of God that he had for them. It will be sad but God will be getting all the praise for what he wrought in the earth.
Isaiah 9:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

have you read ZEch 14. this is when the LORD is king over all the earth. It describes the day when Jerusalem is being overrun and a day that it is dark in the day and light at night when the LORD comes with his saints. His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives and it will split in two. The LORD melts His enemies and in that day the LORD is king over all the earth. Those who are left from that day are now required to keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain. The river that formed that day flows year round . This if literal shows the kingdom coming when the LORD returns and life continues on earth after that. This matches both Rev 13 adn 20 and Dan 7 showing judgment is given in favor of the saints and the son of man comes after a great persecution lasting 42 months. This is when the kingdom that will have no end comes. The timelines match and Rev 20 6 times speaks of the 1000 years and when it refers to the beast and those killed by him it takes the Rev 13 42 months prophecy as literal.

 

[Revealing Times]

That the world keeps "not ending" and is actually getting better doesn't help your "cry wolf - sky is falling" cause too much.

You sir really are not a history buff, nor do you seem to understand Jesus' words.

1. Jesus says if you love this world the love of God is not in you, and you keep going on about how much better this world is. THIS JUST IN, this world is evil, God detests it.

2. We have had 1 billion aborted babies in this world. We had over 100 million deaths in the 20th Century alony by Marxism/Communism/Socialism. Men are perverts at every turn. I hate this evil world.

3. We are getting progressively more evil as we go, there is no doubt about that.

 

[Revealing Times]

And my reply: A giant spider web of deceit and false prophecy in guise of end time prophecy teachings. Robbing the saints of a scriptural vision for the future; bringing upon them self fulfilling degradation in their nations because they cannot work with God to build and maintain them on Biblical principle. And Like I said. What if I am right?
The below is by me: Daniel Martinovich
How The Nations Are Blessed

You have no rebut, I understand because that can't be rebutted.

 

[parousia70]

You sir really are not a history buff, nor do you seem to understand Jesus' words.

1. Jesus says if you love this world the love of God is not in you, and you keep going on about how much better this world is. THIS JUST IN, this world is evil, God detests it.

Rather, Jesus loves the world and reconciled it. We are to love what Jesus loves.

We are to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (John 3:16-17) and rules over (Revelation 1:5; Matthew 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Romans 4:13-18/1 Corinthians 3:22).

The "world" belongs to Christ and the Church, and God loves it.
We are to Love what God Loves.

2 Corinthians 5:19
God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world...God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. (this passage alone teaches exactly the opposite of what you are teaching)

1 Corinthians 3:22
whether... the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come. All are yours

Romans 4:13-18
For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of no effect. For the law works wrath, for where there is no law, neither is there disobedience. For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all. As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is before him whom he believed, God, who gives life to the dead, and calls the things that are not, as though they were. Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, "So will your seed be."

Colossians 1:16-18,20
For in him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and to him. He is before all things, and in him all things are held together. He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence...and through him to reconcile all things to himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross.

Your citations of a "world" that is wrong and wicked is simply speaking of unregenerate people and their sins. The gospel addresses the issue of unregenerate people.

God loves the world and saves it (Jn 3:16-17).

The world is the Church's dominion (1 Cor 3:22).

The Church inherited the world through Abraham and his seed, Jesus (Rom 4:13-18; Gal 3:9-16).

Jesus has the preeminence in all things and over all dominions, and powers and principalities (Col 1:16-18,20; 1 Pet 3:22).

Jesus rules over all kings of the earth (Rev 1:5; Matt 28:18).

Endtimes Advocates like yourself seem to have no care for the present Creation that God called "good".. they care not for the present world that "God Loves"..indeed they long for it's destruction and even seek to hasten its demise.

In Contrast, I believe We are to love what God Loves, not despise it and throw it away.

We are to act like the victors we are (Matthew 16:18), not cower in defeat the way many here are advocating.

You all may be comfortable ignoring Gods command to be good stewards of His creation, but I am not.

I applaud All Christians who have the courage to stand up as defenders of Gods creation in the face of all you who simply think it was put here for us to disregard, contaminate and destroy.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

You all may be comfortable mocking Jesus promise that we would do greater things on earth in His name than He, but I take that promise as genuine, and I take my duty to fufill it seriously.

I will have a positive answer when I meet Him and he asks me "Did you treat my good creation as your trash can, ashtray and toilet, or did you treat the world I love with kindness, respect and good stewardship as I have commanded you to?"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The way of a man seems right to him, but the end thereof is destruction.

 

[Revealing Times]

Rather, Jesus loves the world and reconciled it. We are to love what Jesus loves.

We are to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (John 3:16-17) and rules over (Revelation 1:5; Matthew 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Romans 4:13-18/1 Corinthians 3:22).

The "world" belongs to Christ and the Church, and God loves it.
We are to Love what God Loves.

2 Corinthians 5:19
God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world...God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. (this passage alone teaches exactly the opposite of what you are teaching)

1 Corinthians 3:22
whether... the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come. All are yours

Romans 4:13-18
For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of no effect. For the law works wrath, for where there is no law, neither is there disobedience. For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all. As it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations." This is before him whom he believed, God, who gives life to the dead, and calls the things that are not, as though they were. Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, "So will your seed be."

Colossians 1:16-18,20
For in him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and to him. He is before all things, and in him all things are held together. He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence...and through him to reconcile all things to himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross.

Your citations of a "world" that is wrong and wicked is simply speaking of unregenerate people and their sins. The gospel addresses the issue of unregenerate people.

God loves the world and saves it (Jn 3:16-17).

The world is the Church's dominion (1 Cor 3:22).

The Church inherited the world through Abraham and his seed, Jesus (Rom 4:13-18; Gal 3:9-16).

Jesus has the preeminence in all things and over all dominions, and powers and principalities (Col 1:16-18,20; 1 Pet 3:22).

Jesus rules over all kings of the earth (Rev 1:5; Matt 28:18).

Endtimes Advocates like yourself seem to have no care for the present Creation that God called "good".. they care not for the present world that "God Loves"..indeed they long for it's destruction and even seek to hasten its demise.

In Contrast, I believe We are to love what God Loves, not despise it and throw it away.

We are to act like the victors we are (Matthew 16:18), not cower in defeat the way many here are advocating.

You all may be comfortable ignoring Gods command to be good stewards of His creation, but I am not.

I applaud All Christians who have the courage to stand up as defenders of Gods creation in the face of all you who simply think it was put here for us to disregard, contaminate and destroy.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

You all may be comfortable mocking Jesus promise that we would do greater things on earth in His name than He, but I take that promise as genuine, and I take my duty to fufill it seriously.

I will have a positive answer when I meet Him and he asks me "Did you treat my good creation as your trash can, ashtray and toilet, or did you treat the world I love with kindness, respect and good stewardship as I have commanded you to?"

I don't think you grasp the concept. Jesus can't lie. The world means THE PEOPLE....Not the World under Satan's Rule.

God loves the WORLD as in the SINNER......not the world as in THE SIN of this world. Jesus/God hates sin. Just because the translators don't know or didn't translate things properly doesn't mean we shouldn't understand what it means.

God loves the world means us the SINNER............God Hates the world means the SIN of this world as run by Satan the father of this world.

We are to hate this evil world, but love the sinners.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The way of a man seems right to him, but the end thereof is destruction.

And this:

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes,
But the LORD weighs the hearts.

Hebrew 8:10
That this the Covenant which I shall be Covenanting to the House of Israel after those days, is saying Lord.
Giving laws of Me into the Minds of them
and upon Hearts of them I shall be engraving them.
And I shall be to them into God and they shall be to Me into a People.

2Pe 2:15
They have forsaken the right way and gone astray,
following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series
Thyatira and Jezebel

Revelation 2:
18 “And to the Messenger of the Assembly in Thyatira write!…”.
“These things saith the Son of God, who hath His eyes like unto a flame of fire, and His feet are like fine brass; .............
20 “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow[fn] that woman/wife Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce[fn] My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
23 And the offspring of Her I shall be killing in death,
and shall be knowing all the Out-Calleds that I AM the One searching kidneys/reins<3510> and hearts
and I shall be giving to ye each according to the works of ye. [Jeremiah 17:10]

Revelation 18:
7 As much as glorifies herself, and indulges be giving to her tormenting and mourning that in her heart she is saying 'I am sitting a Queen and widow not I am and mourning not I shall be seeing'.
16 “and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City that was clothed in fine linen, purple,
20 ‘Be glad over Her, O heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets,
because God judges the judgment ye out of Her!’

2Ki 9:7
‘You shall strike down the house of Ahab your master,
that I may avenge the blood of My servants the prophets, and the blood of all the servants of the LORD, at the hand of Jezebel.



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[parousia70]

I don't think you grasp the concept. ...
God Hates the world means the SIN of this world as run by Satan the father of this world.

I don't think you grasp this concept, that scripture explicitly teaches, for you are teaching the exact opposite:

Satan was bound/judged/cast out by Christ's ministry, reversing satan's dominion over the People of God, granting power over all darkness to the saints, and immediately enabling the gospel to spread to all nations.
(John 12:31 and Matt 12:28-29, Heb 2:14-15 and 1 John 3:8).

Jesus Christ rules the world today. ALL power and dominion are His. There is nothing that is not already under his rule.

1 Peter 3:22
"Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, angels and authorities and powers having BEEN MADE subject to him"

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven AND IN EARTH.

Revelation 1:5
...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, AND THE PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.

SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven AND IN EARTH.

YOU SAY MATT 28:18 IS WRONG.

AGAIN, SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Revelation 1:5
...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, AND THE PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.

AND AGAIN, YOU SAY REV 1:5 IS WRONG

We, Christs Body, already rule and reign with Christ right now!!! It's a done deal. We are priests and Kings of a Kingdom that can never be conqured, ruling and reigning with our Lord for evermore.

SCRIPTURE SAYS He is the now ruling king:

"Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth" (Rev 1:5)

"Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been made subject to him" (1 Peter 3:22)

YOU SAY, NO HE IS NOT.

When faced with deciding which of these two polar opposite views to accept as true and correct, that of scripture or that of Revealing Times, I have to side with scripture, every time.