SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

[LoveGodsWord]

1 TIMOTHY 1:15, This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul didn't say, I was chief, he said, I AM chief. The present text means that Paul was saying that he was currently the chief sinner. Does that sound anything at all like what you are saying?

Have a read of the post above yours on the previous page. Your just repeating yourself brother. I AM a sinner just like Paul and you and posted this to you from the very beggining. That is why I need a Saviour to save me from my sins *JOHN 8:31-36. That does not mean we continue in sin *ROMANS 6; GALATIANS 5:16. Those who continue in sin do not know God and need to be BORN AGAIN *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

God bless

 

[Dr. Jack]

Have a read of the post above yours. Your just repeating yourself brother. I AM a sinner just like Paul and you and posted this to you from the very beggining. That is why I need a Saviour to save me from my sins *JOHN 8:31-36. That does not mean we continue in sin *ROMANS 6; GALATIANS 5:16. Those who continue in sin do not know God and need to be BORN AGAIN *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

God bless

"Those who continue in sin do not know God and need to be BORN AGAIN"

AlI was saved over 30 years ago, and yet, I still sin.

Do I need to be born again ... again.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"Those who continue in sin do not know God and need to be BORN AGAIN" AlI was saved over 30 years ago, and yet, I still sin. Do I need to be born again ... again.

JESUS says those that continue in sin are the servants of sin. If the son of man shall set you free you shall be free in deed *JOHN 8:31-36. Do you believe JESUS can set you free from your sins?

God bless.

 

[Dr. Jack]

JESUS says those that continue in sin are the servants of sin. If the son of man shall set you free you shall be free in deed *JOHN 8:31-36. Do you believe JESUS can set you free from your sins?

Yes, I do believe in God's word. Paul by his own admission said he struggled with sin. (Hence, he was continuing in sin, and knew it.) Did Paul therefore need to be saved again, as well?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, I do believe in God's word. Paul by his own admission said he struggled with sin. (Hence, he was continuing in sin, and knew it.) Did Paul therefore need to be saved again, as well?

ROMANS 7 is the OLD MAN; ROMANS 8 in the NEW MAN IN CHRIST FREE TO WALK IN GOD'S SPIRIT. Read also ROMANS 6 and JOHN 8:31-36; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 3:31. Salvation is from sin not to continue in sin. 1 JOHN 2:1 [1], My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. Do you believe JESUS can save you from your sins?

God bless.

 

[Dr. Jack]

ROMANS 7 is the OLD MAN; ROMANS 8 in the NEW MAN IN CHRIST FREE TO WALK IN GOD'S SPIRIT. Read also ROMANS 6 and JOHN 8:31-36; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 3:31. Salvation is from sin not to continue in sin.

1 JOHN 2:1 [1], My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

God bless.

Oh how I love when people make such assertions.
"ROMANS 7 is the OLD MAN" No, Roman's 7 is the Apostle Paul telling us his struggle while he is saved.

7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Romans

You need to look at the tense Paul is speaking in. He isn't talking in these verses about the old man, (that was verses 7-13); but in versec14 Paul switches to the present tense.

Paul didn't struggle with sin as a lost person; he only struggled after getting saved! But look at what he says as he continues ...

7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Romans

This isn't the old man! This is what is revealed by the Holy Spirit!

7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Romans

Paul literally tells us that the "evil" (he knows its evil), is what he does.

7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. Romans

Do you see that? "when I would do good, evil is present with me" This is the saved new Paul, speaking under the inspiration of God, about his CURRENT state.

7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Romans

Since when do lost men say, "I delight in the law of God"?

7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans

You see, Paul's soul was regenerated, and there was a struggle of the desires of his sinful flesh, and his regenerated soul, and mind.


8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans

The key here is that Paul tells us that, regardless of the struggle we have with our sinful flesh, the law has no more condemning power (jurisdiction) over us. Hence, we have returned to ....

4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Romans

and ...

5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans

Paul was a sinner, a sinning sinner .... saved by grace.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Oh how I love when people make such assertions.
"ROMANS 7 is the OLD MAN" No, Roman's 7 is the Apostle Paul telling us his struggle while he is saved.

7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Romans

You need to look at the tense Paul is speaking in. He isn't talking in these verses about the old man, (that was verses 7-13); but in versec14 Paul switches to the present tense.

Paul didn't struggle with sin as a lost person; he only struggled after getting saved! But look at what he says as he continues ...

7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Romans

This isn't the old man! This is what is revealed by the Holy Spirit!

7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Romans

Paul literally tells us that the "evil" (he knows its evil), is what he does.

7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. Romans

Do you see that? "when I would do good, evil is present with me" This is the saved new Paul, speaking under the inspiration of God, about his CURRENT state.

7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Romans

Since when do lost men say, "I delight in the law of God"?

7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans

You see, Paul's soul was regenerated, and there was a struggle of the desires of his sinful flesh, and his regenerated soul, and mind.


8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans

The key here is that Paul tells us that, regardless of the struggle we have with our sinful flesh, the law has no more condemning power (jurisdiction) over us. Hence, we have returned to ....

4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Romans

and ...

5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans

Paul was a sinner, a sinning sinner .... saved by grace.

And here is your problem your reading PAUL the Pharisee not PAUL the Christian. Would you like to go through ROMANS 6 ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 with me? I will not waste my time with you if your mind is already made up and your only here to argue. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Your interpretation of the scriptures here is that we are saved in sin correct? One thing we need to consider when studying the scriptures is that God's WORD does not contradict itself. If you find that your interpretation of the scriptures is contradicting other scriptures it should be a warning to you that perhaps your interpretation of the scriptures is in error. For example here, how do you reconcile your interpretation of ROMANS 7 with ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 8 which is stating the opposite of your interpretation of ROMANS 7? There are many more scriptures that teach the opposite of what your saying here but let's start here for now.

 

[Dr. Jack]

And here is your problem your reading PAUL the Pharisee not PAUL the Christian. Would you like to go through ROMANS 6 ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 with me? I will not waste my time with you if your mind is already made up and your only here to argue. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Your interpretation of the scriptures here is that we are saved in sin correct? One thing we need to consider when studying the scriptures is that God's WORD does not contradict itself. If you find that your interpretation of the scriptures is contradicting other scriptures it should be a warning to you that perhaps your interpretation of the scriptures is in error. For example here, how do you reconcile your interpretation of ROMANS 7 with ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 8 which is stating the opposite of your interpretation of ROMANS 7? There are many more scriptures that teach the opposite of what your saying here but let's start here for now.

Roman's 6, 7, and 8 compliment each other.

My problem is that you have one agenda ... Sabbath worship. Early in this thread you were asked, why you keep making threads about the same subject. The only thing you push is Sabbath Sabbath Sabbath. The gentleman that told you earlier that Paul addressed the sabbath was dismissed by you.

I am not bound by God's law to be saved, I was saved over 30 years ago. But according to you, since I don't worship on Saturday, I'm in rebellion against God.


Tell me what you want about Roman's 6, and how it contradicts my view on what Paul says in Roman's 7. Nowhere does God say, you go to Hell if you worship me on Sunday, instead of Saturday.

Ellen G. White started the 7th day Adventist Movement after a vision on March 14, 1858. Why did God 1) wait nearly 1800 years to have the church observe the Sabbath; and 2) contradict the Holy Spirit when God inspired Paul to write:

14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 1 Corinthians ... ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello Jack, some commented for your consideration below.

Roman's 6, 7, and 8 compliment each other.

So did you want to address the claims of contradiction of the scriptures with your interpretation of ROMANS 7 by addressing ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 8?

My problem is that you have one agenda ... Sabbath worship. Early in this thread you were asked, why you keep making threads about the same subject. The only thing you push is Sabbath Sabbath Sabbath. The gentleman that told you earlier that Paul addressed the sabbath was dismissed by you.

Not at all. I have no agenda except to share God's WORD and it is God's WORD that is shared with you here. HEBREWS 4 is in reference to God's REST and the SABBATH which is defined in God's WORD as the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This was demonstrated elsewhere and in more detail in post # 350 linked which you chose to ignore. You are welcome to repsond to this post and all the scriptures in it that disagree with your interpretation of it if you like. Ignoring God's WORD however does not make it dissappear.

I am not bound by God's law to be saved, I was saved over 30 years ago. But according to you, since I don't worship on Saturday, I'm in rebellion against God.

Who says we are bound by God's LAW to be saved? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. If no one has ever said to you that we are saved by the LAW why pretend that they have? As posted earlier, OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Tell me what you want about Roman's 6, and how it contradicts my view on what Paul says in Roman's 7. Nowhere does God say, you go to Hell if you worship me on Sunday, instead of Saturday.

Well that is not true brother. God's WORD teaches that God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. What do you think these scriptures are talking about; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12?

Now do you have anything to share in relation to the OP here? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW; God or man *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

Something to think about. As we all stand before God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48 for the Word of God we accept or reject. At this time however it will be too late for many.

God bless.

 

[Dr. Jack]

Hello Jack, some commented for your consideration below.

So did you want to address the claims of contradiction of the scriptures with your interpretation of ROMANS 7 by addressing ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 8?

Not at all. I have no agenda except to share God's WORD and it is God's WORD that is shared with you here. HEBREWS 4 is in reference to God's REST and the SABBATH which is defined in God's WORD as the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This was demonstrated elsewhere and in more detail in post # 350 linked which you chose to ignore. You are welcome to repsond to this post and all the scriptures in it that disagree with your interpretation of it if you like. Ignoring God's WORD however does not make it dissappear.

Who says we are bound by God's LAW to be saved? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. If no one has ever said to you that we are saved by the LAW why pretend that they have? As posted earlier, OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Well that is not true brother. God's WORD teaches that God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. What do you think these scriptures are talking about; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12?

Now do you have anything to share in relation to the OP here? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW; God or man *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29?

Something to think about. As we all stand before God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48 for the Word of God we accept or reject.

God bless.

3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John

Nothing about sabbath worship there.

15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians

Nothing about the sabbath there ...

2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians

Oh wow, something about the sabbath.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

Are you judging me about the sabbath?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John Nothing about sabbath worship there.

Of course there is. He that BELIEVETH NOT is condemned already v18. No one is BELIEVING God's WORD if they are not following God's WORD *JAMES 2:14-26

15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians

Nothing about the sabbath there ...

Of course there is. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4. None are saved in sin to continue in sin *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12. You did not read the scriptures posted to you earlier did you *ROMANS 8:1-4; JOHN 8:31-36.

2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians Oh wow, something about the sabbath. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" Are you judging me about the sabbath?

ANNUAL Sabbaths in FEAST days are not God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath. This has already been addressed in posts # 103 linked and post # 104 linked. Please feel free to respond to these posts and all the scriptures in them that link the OLD TESTAMENT with the NEW TESTAMENT and shows the within scripture context and the within chapter context of COLOSSIANS 2 .

Brother you are free to believe and do as you wish. I do not judge you. God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day

JOHN 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

God bless.

 

[Dr. Jack]

Of course there is. He that BELIEVETH NOT is condemned already. No one is BELIEVING God's WORD if they are not following God's WORD *JAMES 2:14:26

Of course there is. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:4. None are saved in sin to continue in sin *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8; TITUS 2:11-12. You did not read the scriptures posted to you earlier did you *ROMANS 8:1-4; JOHN 8:31-36.

ANNUAL Sabbaths in FEAST days are not God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath. This has already been addressed in posts # 103 linked and post # 104 linked. Please feel free to respond to these posts and all the scriptures in them that link the OLD TESTAMENT with the NEW TESTAMENT and shows the within scripture context and the within chapter context of COLOSSIANS 2 . Nope I do not judge you. God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day

JOHN 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

God bless.

You claim salvation is by grace, but preach obedience to the law to be saved.

This is exactly what Paul addressed in Galatians

1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians

3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Galatians

Sir, you are Preaching a false gospel. Faith plus obedience to the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You claim salvation is by grace, but preach obedience to the law to be saved. This is exactly what Paul addressed in Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Galatians Sir, you are Preaching a false gospel. Faith plus obedience to the law.

Well that is not true brother. Where have I ever posted in this thread or elsewhere that we are saved by the works of the law? If I have never posted such things why pretend that I have? As posted to you more then once now, we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

There is only one false gospel and that was the same one spoken to EVE in the Garden of EDEN which says you can break God's Commandments (SIN) and you will not surely day.

GENESIS 3:1-5.
[1], Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, Yes, has God said, You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2], And the woman said to the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3], But of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.
[4], And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die:
[5], For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

PROVERBS 28:9-13
[9], He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
[10], Whoever causes the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.
[11], The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that has understanding searches him out.
[12], When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.
[13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:6-9
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Hope this helps

God bless

 

[Hammster]

Of course there is. He that BELIEVETH NOT is condemned already v18. No one is BELIEVING God's WORD if they are not following God's WORD

So there you have it. You believe that those not obeying the Sabbath in the way that you do are condemned.

 

[Hammster]

Well that is not true brother. Where have I ever posted in this thread or elsewhere that we are saved by the works of the law?

The whole thread.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So there you have it. You believe that those not obeying the Sabbath in the way that you do are condemned.

There you have what? It is God's WORD not mine that says God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 not me.

It is also God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20 and if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

It is also JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God not me * MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Do you believe these scriptures?

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The whole thread.

Well that is not true. I have never posted anywhere or do I believe we are saved by the works of the law and have always stated otherwise. Please post a link and prove what you claim. If you cannot why do you pretend that what you are saying is true? I will leave that between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

God bless

 

[Hammster]

There you have what? It is God's WORD not mine that says God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 not me.

It is also God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20 and if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

It is also JESUS that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God not me * MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Do you believe these scriptures?

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to UNKNOWINGLY break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless

So you don’t believe that those not obeying the Sabbath in the way that you do are condemned?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you don’t believe that those not obeying the Sabbath in the way that you do are condemned?

Did you read the post above yours (post # 396) what do you think it says? Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. If you cannnot prove your accusations why say things that are not true?

 

[Hammster]

Did you read the post above yours (post # 396) what do you think it says? Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. If you cannnot prove your accusations why say things that are not true?

I asked a question