SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

[LoveGodsWord]

We have been released from the Law to serve in a new way. (Romans 7:6)

We are released from the condemnation of the law through faith in God's WORD *ROMANS 8:1-4. We are not released from the law to continue breaking it *ROMANS 6:1-23

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The scriptures that define God's word were chosen by a Church council.

Indeed. Do you not think God was in control of what scriptures made up His Word?

 

[HTacianas]

Indeed. You do not think God was in control of what scriptures made up His Word?

Of course I do. Do you?

But I also believe that God was in control of the Council of Laodicea when it ended the Christian practice of observing the Jewish sabbath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Of course I do. Do you?

But I also believe that God was in control of the Council of Laodicea when it ended the Christian practice of observing the Jewish sabbath.

Indeed brother I do believe God was in control of what made up his Word and the scriptures and books added are just the way God wanted as you do also. As to the second part of your claim however there is no scripture for these claims which are outside of God's WORD and not scripture and there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath. JESUS says the Sabbath was made for all mankind *MARK 2:27. When the Sabbath was made there was no Jews *GENESIS 2:1-3.

God bless

 

[trophy33]

We are released from the condemnation of the law through faith in God's WORD *ROMANS 8:1-4. We are not released from the law to continue breaking it *ROMANS 6:1-23

It says "from the law". We should not add to it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It says "from the law". We should not add to it.

ROMANS 7:6 says we a delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. v5 tells us that which was holding us was sin.

We are delivered from the laws penalty and condemnation for our sins and delivered from sin to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:1-23; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 7:5; JOHN 8:31-36

God bless

 

[Jonaitis]

Of course I do. Do you?

But I also believe that God was in control of the Council of Laodicea when it ended the Christian practice of observing the Jewish sabbath.

Why do people call it the "Jewish" Sabbath, when it has existed before Israel?

How does a human council determine the end of a perpetual statute?

 

[trophy33]

ROMANS 7:6 says we a delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. v5 tells us that which was holding us was sin.

We are delivered from the laws penalty and condemnation for our sins and delivered from sin to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:1-23; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 7:5; JOHN 8:31-36

God bless

It does not say penalty, it does not say condemnation, its says just "from the law..."

And its for Jews, Gentiles cannot be released from the Law because they were never bound by it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why do people call it the "Jewish" Sabbath, when it has existed before Israel?

This is a great point you bring up here brother and an interesting one. The interesting thing about this point JESUS also brings up in MARK 2:27-28 when he says that the SABBATH was made for man and he is the LORD of it. The Greek WORD used here for man is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos (G444) which means HUMAN BEINGS or mankind. The SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week BEFORE SIN when mankind was in perfect harmony with the creator (JESUS who is LORD) and before these was a need for God's plan of salvation. ADAM and EVEN were created on the 6th DAY of creation and would have been the first to keep the Sabbath.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It does not say penalty, it does not say condemnation, its says just "from the law..."

Nope, no it doesn't just say from the law. Here you go..

ROMANS 7:6 says we a delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. v5 tells us that which was holding us was sin.

ROMANS 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

As posted earlier we are delivered from the laws penalty and condemnation for our sins and delivered from sin to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:1-23; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 7:5; JOHN 8:31-36

We are not delivered from the law to continue in sin. God's WORD teaches all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God bless

 

[Jonaitis]

This is a great point you bring up here brother and an interesting one. The interesting thing about this point JESUS also brings up in MARK 2:27-28 when he says that the SABBATH was made for man and he is the LORD of it. The Greek WORD used here for man is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos (G444) which means HUMAN BEINGS or mankind. The SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week BEFORE SIN when mankind was in perfect harmony with the creator (JESUS who is LORD) and before these was a need for God's plan of salvation. ADAM and EVEN were created on the 6th DAY of creation and would have been the first to keep the Sabbath.

God bless.

I pretty much agree, and I don't understand why people treat it like it is a burden. In Isaiah 58:13-14 we read, "If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the Lord honorable; if you honor it, not going your own ways, or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly; then you shall take delight in the Lord, and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” People really don't know what they are missing, it is made for man and it has an incredible benefit to us.

 

[HTacianas]

Why do people call it the "Jewish" Sabbath, when it has existed before Israel?

How does a human council determine the end of a perpetual statute?

Mat 18:19

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I agree, and I don't understand why people treat it like it is a burden. In Isaiah 58:13-14 we read, "If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight and the holy day of the Lord honorable; if you honor it, not going your own ways, or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly; then you shall take delight in the Lord, and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” People really don't know what they are missing, it is made for man and it has an incredible benefit to us. Only someone who has tasted it would know the experience.

Yes thanks brother I think the same as you do here. It is a delight and a wonderful rest in God's presence. My little girl who is 6 years old cannot wait each week for the Sabbath to start. God's precence is in the day as it is a HOLY DAY which God blessed and set apart as a day of rest for his people and we which BELIEVE do enter into His REST.

God bless

 

[HTacianas]

Indeed brother I do believe God was in control of what made up his Word and the scriptures and books added are just the way God wanted as you do also. As to the second part of your claim however there is no scripture for these claims which are outside of God's WORD and not scripture.

God bless

What do you make of this thread:

Wisdom of Sirach 2:4-5

 

[Jonaitis]

Mat 18:19
Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

If it goes against the clear, plain, literal reading of the word of God, especially regarding a perpetual and moral truth, Matthew 18:19 should not be applied.

 

[trophy33]

Nope, no it doesn't Here you go..

ROMANS 7:6 says we a delivered from the law that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. v5 tells us that which was holding us was sin.

ROMANS 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

As posted earlier we are delivered from the laws penalty and condemnation for our sins and delivered from sin to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:1-23; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 7:5; JOHN 8:31-36

We are not delivered from the law to continue in sin. God's WORD teaches all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God bless

R 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
(NIV)

Can you tell me, what was the serving in the old way of the written code, when you believe that you must still literally serve as Jews under Moses did?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

R 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
(NIV)

Can you tell me, what was the serving in the old way of the written code, when you believe that you must still literally serve as Jews under Moses did?

What was it that once bound you; was it sin or the law? The Spirit is the NEW COVENANT promise HEBREWS 8:10-12 written in the heart to love and love is the fulfilling of the law in all those who believe and follow God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4; JOHN 14:15.

Those who continue in SIN however do not know God and need to be BORN AGAIN to love *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 3:3-7 or they will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. JESUS came to save us from sin not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36; ROMANS 6:1-23.

God bless.

 

[trophy33]

What was it that once bound you; was it sin or the law?

The Law. Because sin has no power without the Law.

 

[HTacianas]

If it goes against the clear, plain, literal reading of the word of God, especially regarding a perpetual and moral truth, Matthew 18:19 should not be applied.

So why do you think they did it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Law. Because sin has no power without the Law.

And this your error. It is sin that has bound us not God's LAW. Sin was always there as we all have a sinful human nature (FLESH; CARNAL MIND). All God's law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20 it cannot change us. Changing us is the work of the Spirit in the new COVENANT promise through faith in God's WORD that works by love *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10.

God bless.