So then, has anything changed?

[OldWiseGuy]

Have your attitudes or opinions changed as a result of the recent killings?

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Have your attitudes or opinions changed as a result of the recent killings?

Which killings? Those of the police officers or those who "supposedly" were murdered by the police???

 

[MennoSota]

A combination of the shooting in Minnesota and having a secondary relative getting shot in a drive-by on Chicago's west side has made me rethink my attitude and brought a higher level of empathy for black men who are good people being treated differently, purely because of their skin pigmentation. I have grieved more deeply these past two weeks than I had before. This is a good thing. Grief brings clarity of importance.

 

[nightflight]

A combination of the shooting in Minnesota and having a secondary relative getting shot in a drive-by on Chicago's west side has made me rethink my attitude and brought a higher level of empathy for black men who are good people being treated differently, purely because of their skin pigmentation. I have grieved more deeply these past two weeks than I had before. This is a good thing. Grief brings clarity of importance.

Didja grieve for Jennifer Rooney?

 

[MennoSota]

Didja grieve for Jennifer Rooney?

As I said before. I don't know Ms Rooney. If you knew her, did you grieve for her?

Your question is much like the "all lives matter," which essentially desires everything to go back to the stairs quo.
Here's a good meme that seems to fit your opinion.

 

[nightflight]

As I said before. I don't know Ms Rooney. If you knew her, did you grieve for her?

Your question is much like the "all lives matter," which essentially desires everything to go back to the stairs quo.

Not sure what the stairs quo is, but Jennifer Rooney was a woman shot by a man angered over the recent police shootings which are still under investigation. Her life mattered too.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Didja grieve for Jennifer Rooney?

According to the police report of the incident, witnesses heard a gunman yelling, “Police suck! Black lives matter!” around 2 a.m. ET, as he opened fire, the law enforcement official said. Police say the gunman killed one woman (a female newspaper carrier) and wounded three others, including the police officer.


http://wtvr.com/2016/07/08/bristol-gunman-lakeem-keon-scott-yelled-olice-suck-black-lives-matter/

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Thousands may die , perhaps thousands all races, creeds, country and ethnic, are killed, every day..... for over 2 generations already....
and 2 billion more will soon(2 billion within years) die of plague, famine, war, pestilence, violence...

Matthew 24:12
KJ21
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
ASV
And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
AMP
Because lawlessness is increased, the love of most people will grow cold.
AMPC
And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity,

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Have your attitudes or opinions changed as a result of the recent killings?

With regards to what? BLM? What recent killings? Alton and Philando?

 

[MennoSota]

Not sure what the stairs quo is, but Jennifer Rooney was a woman shot by a man angered over the recent police shootings which are still under investigation. Her life mattered too.

Of course her life matters. However, the term "Black Lives Matter" does not denigrate other lives that have tragically ended. Instead, it highlights the fact that innocent black people are much more likely to be pulled over and mistreated by police than their light skinned brothers and sisters. Their right to be treated equally needs to be discussed and police protocols need to change so that a black man driving his BMW in a suburban neighborhood is not followed and pulled over on an erroneous suspicion that the black man may be cruising for trouble. Too many times this scenario plays out and sometimes an innocent black man is killed on such an erroneous suspicion.

Now, look at the picture I posted and see how it is parallel to the "all lives matter" statement you are trying to make.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

With regards to what? BLM? What recent killings? Alton and Philando?

All of the recent killings in the news.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Which killings? Those of the police officers or those who "supposedly" were murdered by the police???

All of the recent killings in the news.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

All of the recent killings in the news.

You have to be specific: every case is different, and I'm not going to fall into the trap of thinking that every Black man dead is dead because cops are racist, because that in and of itself is a racist narrative. If we are talking about BLM, then no, I've never and will never support a movement that justifies breaking the law with the idea that they are victims of a racist system that doesn't exist. Their message is "Black Lives Matter," but I've not heard anyone say that they don't matter, so they are in a sense fighting a demon that they themselves are creating; they get mad when people say "All Lives Matter" because it shows they are battling an enemy that doesn't exist. I've heard many say that Black on Black crime, gang culture, and the presence of drugs in Black communities is because of White people; if that isn't being a racist and playing the victim then I don't know what is.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Of course her life matters. However, the term "Black Lives Matter" does not denigrate other lives that have tragically ended. Instead, it highlights the fact that innocent black people are much more likely to be pulled over and mistreated by police than their light skinned brothers and sisters. Their right to be treated equally needs to be discussed and police protocols need to change so that a black man driving his BMW in a suburban neighborhood is not followed and pulled over on an erroneous suspicion that the black man may be cruising for trouble. Too many times this scenario plays out and sometimes an innocent black man is killed on such an erroneous suspicion.

Now, look at the picture I posted and see how it is parallel to the "all lives matter" statement you are trying to make.

Police policies of pulling black drivers over for petty reasons have resulted in finding illegal guns, drugs, outstanding warrants, etc. The policies have saved many more black lives than are lost as a result. Mayor Giuliani's "Broken Window" policy has proven that beyond a doubt.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You have to be specific: every case is different, and I'm not going to fall into the trap of thinking that every Black man dead is dead because cops are racist, because that in and of itself is a racist narrative. If we are talking about BLM, then no, I've never and will never support a movement that justifies breaking the law with the idea that they are victims of a racist system that doesn't exist. Their message is "Black Lives Matter," but I've not heard anyone say that they don't matter, so they are in a sense fighting a demon that they themselves are creating; they get mad when people say "All Lives Matter" because it shows they are battling an enemy that doesn't exist. I've heard many say that Black on Black crime, gang culture, and the presence of drugs in Black communities is because of White people; if that isn't being a racist and playing a victim then I don't know what is.

I'm directing my question at the whole brouhaha, not any one incident, although you may choose to reveal any changed attitude or opinion about any single event.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I'm directing my question at the whole brouhaha, not any one incident, although you may choose to reveal any changed attitude or opinion about any single event.

Well, I just gave my opinion. BLM is movement built on lawbreaking and race baiting. If it really was about police brutality then they would come up with a new hashtag, but it's not about police brutality: it's about playing the victim and getting mad when people don't buy into it.

 

[MennoSota]

Police policies of pulling black drivers over for petty reasons have resulted in finding illegal guns, drugs, outstanding warrants, etc. The policies have saved many more black lives than are lost as a result. Mayor Giuliani's "Broken Window" policy has proven that beyond a doubt.

Yes, and those exact policies will result in the same crimes with white drivers. Pull over the same percentage of white drivers driving BMWs in suburban neighborhoods and we'll have equity.

Equity is really what this conversation is about. Let's stop giving white drivers a pass while stopping a disproportionate number of black drivers.

Believe it or not. Rich white folks transport illegal drugs in their cars. Who do you think is buying most of the drugs?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well, I just gave my opinion. BLM is movement built on lawbreaking and race baiting. If it really was about police brutality then they would come up with a new hashtag, but it's not about police brutality: it's about playing the victim and getting mad when people don't buy into it.

So then, your attitudes and opinions remain basically the same?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, and those exact policies will result in the same crimes with white drivers. Pull over the same percentage of white drivers driving BMWs in suburban neighborhoods and we'll have equity.

Equity is really what this conversation is about. Let's stop giving white drivers a pass while stopping a disproportionate number of black drivers.

Believe it or not. Rich white folks transport illegal drugs in their cars. Who do you think is buying most of the drugs?

No argument there.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

So then, your attitudes and opinions remain basically the same?

Well, I've never shared my opinions on this subject previously, but yes, they have remained somewhat the same. My opposition to the movement has actually strengthened with the recent anti-cop rhetoric.