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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

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Anyone who sins fails John’s test.
And FLi. has it right ON. one some. and the book of HEBREWS. is just one. of. the books that. show why. that does SAVE

with CHRIST DEATH on. the CROSS. then Gentiles can be saved with Rom 10:9. and 10. and this means that ISRAEL

has been set aside. ,and means we the GENTILES. are saved by GRACE , EPH 2:8.
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and Jews can ALSO. be saved by 2 Cor 3:13-15. !!

And we ARE NOT VINES or BRANCES. as we are CHRIST'S we are his FOOT , we are his HAND , we are HIS his EARS , we are his EYES

we are his. HEARING , we are his SENSE of SMELL

We are CHRIST !!

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Your version of the gospel, is incoherent and unbiblical, because you're rejecting what God said and you're making Him a liar. Gods Word reveals that those who are saved, were saved by grace, you reject this and replace it with (saved by works). That's a big problem, as it robs Gd of His glory.

Here's why your "saved by works" version of the gospel is false.


Philippians 1:6 "He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus". This verse emphasizes God's role as the initiator and sustainer of the work of salvation and transformation in a believer's life.

2 Corinthians 3:18 "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit". This verse highlights that the transformation is an ongoing process that comes from the Lord through the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:4"...he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him". This verse points to God's sovereign choice as the basis for a person's holiness and spiritual newness, which is the foundation for transformation.

Romans 8:29-30 "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son...". This passage connects God's foreknowledge with predestination, showing that the end goal of salvation is to be made like Christ.

See how all of these verses describe salvation as being initiated, sustained and finished by God. There are no works or requirements to fulfill, in order to be saved, because God works through His elect to transform them to conform to the image of his Son.

Its most interesting that both of you stated you are "Baptist", and yet do not have the same view on whether salvation is by faith alone or require works to show faith.
 
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And FLi. has it right ON. one some. and the book of HEBREWS. is just one. of. the books that. show why. that does SAVE

with CHRIST DEATH on. the CROSS. then Gentiles can be saved with Rom 10:9. and 10. and this means that ISRAEL

has been set aside. ,and means we the GENTILES. are saved by GRACE , EPH 2:8.
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and Jews can ALSO. be saved by 2 Cor 3:13-15. !!

And we ARE NOT VINES od BRANCES. as we are CHRIST'S we are his FOOT , we are his HAND , we are HIS his EARS , we are his EYES

we are his. HEARING , we are his SENSE of SMELL

We are CHRIST !!

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Grace is the life of God, the power of the Holy Spirit, in us, that enables us to overcome sin now. The New Covenant was never intended as strictly a reprieve from man's obligation to be holy but, in fact, is the authentic means to accomplishing that very holiness, by virtue of reconciled union with God.. "Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5 That's what we're here to learn, of our absolute need for Him.
 
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IF you don't accept the simplest citing of 1 John 4:7 or Matt. 10:34 or can't look up ALL the others yourself, why bother?

Were it me I'd challenge where I "think" I stand just to make sure

P.S. It's ALL THERE if you looked
And in Matt 10:34 says. :

# 1 THAT LOVETH. //. AGAPEO. is in. the PRESENT. TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE. is a PARTICIPLE.

in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 2 IS BORN //. GENNAO. is in. the PERFECT TENSE. in. the PASSIVE TENSE , in the. INDICATIVE MOOD. , SINGULAR

# 3 OF. //. is a. PREPOSIYION

# 4. GOD //. THEOS. is in the GENITIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

# 5. AND. //. KAI. GINOSKO. is a CONJUNCATION

# 6. KNOWETH. //. GINOSKO. is. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , means

you better believe IT

# 7. GOD. // THEOS is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR.


# A The words IS BORN , MEANING NOW.

# B. AND KNOWETH. and. the INDICATIVE MOOD means you better believe it so how do you know God ?/

# C How were you BORN AGAIN with a verse ??

# D How were you BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT ?

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Its most interesting that both of you stated you are "Baptist", and yet do not have the same view on whether salvation is by faith alone or require works to show faith.
Hi Guojing. , it seem. that most of those here have NEVER heard of Eph 1.:4. ??

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# D How were you BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT ?
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Every person is born through a WATER SAC i.e. born of WATER.

And 1 John 4:7 applies to every person as well.

Therefore, love ALL neighbors. We'll be spending eternity with them all
 
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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Every person is born through a WATER SAC i.e. born of WATER.

And 1 John 4:7 applies to every person as well.

Therefore, love ALL neighbors. We'll be spending eternity with them all
AND since you say every person is BORN. through a WATER SAC is BORN. of WATER. you must have a BIBLE VERSE , right !!

And just asking are you saved BORN AGAIN. by the OLD TESTAMENT , and do you. believe that to be TRUE ??

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AND since you say every person is BORN. through a WATER SAC is BORN. of WATER. you must a BIBLE VERSE , right !!
Common sense and the prior citing should do
And just asking are you saved BORN AGAIN. by the OLD TESTAMENT , and do you. believe that to be TRUE ??

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I believe every Word of God applies to everyone. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3
 
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Common sense and the prior citing should do

I believe every Word of God applies to everyone. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3
And do you believe what Heb. 9:18 says ??

It reads , Therefore. , not even the FIRST COVENANT. WAS dedicated WITH OUT BLOOD.

Do you believe verse 18. !!

Put it another WAY. the OLD COVENANT. had to be set aside , WHEN JESUS DIED on. the CROSS and his BLOOD. SHED

THEN anyone meaning GENTILES WERE GIVEN SALVATION

And says that you are BORN AGAIN and BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT. is speaking to ISRAEL in EZE 36:25

and EZE 37 :1-28 AND Israel will be BORN AGAIN !!

DAN P
 
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And do you believe what Heb. 9:18 says ??

It reads , Therefore. , not even the FIRST COVENANT. WAS dedicated WITH OUT BLOOD.

Do you believe verse 18. !!

Put it another WAY. the OLD COVENANT. had to be set aside , WHEN JESUS DIED on. the CROSS and his BLOOD. SHED

THEN anyone meaning GENTILES WERE GIVEN SALVATION

And says that you are BORN AGAIN and BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT. is speaking to ISRAEL in EZE 36:25

and EZE 37 :1-28 AND Israel will be BORN AGAIN !!

DAN P
The people of Israel and all mankind have always been God's children.

Blinded as we all are, in total or in part to the fact, by the covering God placed on us all.
 
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The people of Israel and all mankind have always been God's children.

Blinded as we all are, in total or in part to the fact, by the covering God placed on us all.
And most will never believe Heb 9:18 I know that it is. your choice. and ROM. 10:9 and 1 0. is the only to be saved

and only Jesus shed BLOOD on. the. CROSS can anyone be saved , so keep reading Paul.

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And most will never believe Heb 9:18 I know that it is. your choice. and ROM. 10:9 and 1 0. is the only to be saved

and only Jesus shed BLOOD on. the. CROSS can anyone be saved , so keep reading Paul.

dan p
I do believe Jesus is the Savior of the world and actually gets the job done regardless of various formulas and concoctions that people come up with to not save their neighbors
 
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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Every person is born through a WATER SAC i.e. born of WATER.

And 1 John 4:7 applies to every person as well.

Therefore, love ALL neighbors. We'll be spending eternity with them all
And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

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How do I know that I am saved?

I have no doubt, the Creator of all good things is Yahweh

I have no doubt, the Lord Jesus Christ is His Son

I have no doubt Yahweh is
perfectly righteous, perfectly just,
and perfectly merciful, all knowing, all powerful, and all wise. And the Lord Jesus Christ
is His perfect solution to restore all things, the perfect sacrifice.

I have no doubt, the Living Word of Yahweh has redeemed me
by His blood, from the penalty
and the power of sin, has renewed me by His Spirit, and I will ever live with Him

I have no doubt, that He will never leave me, neither will He forsake me, for He is mine and I am His.

Holy, Holy, Holy is Yahweh
There is none like Him
 
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And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

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Dan, I really don't get your point. Are you trying to condemn me for some reason you can't quite pin down???
 
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Dan, I really don't get your point. Are you trying to condemn me for some reason you can't quite pin down???
And all that you quote ANY verse is correct but not ALL is for us. !!

Like 1 COR 10:2 And all were BAPTIZEDV unto MOSES. in. the CLOUD and. in the SEA !!

Moses has THOUSANDS. of ISRAELITES. ready to cross the RED SEA and with thousands of EGYPTIANS pursuing them !!

Explain how all those JEWS BAPTIZED unto Moses and all. it means that the word BAPRIZED does NOT ALWAYS means WATER

IN. EPH 4:5. reads ONE LORD , ONE FAITH. , ONE BAPTISM. and IF there is ONLY ONE // HEISI. BAPTISIM do you

know. THAT. there is. the Greek words BAPTO , BAPTIZE , BAPTIMA. , BAPTISM. , SPRINKING. , BAPTIZED. , BAPTISTES

and BAPTISMA is used 22 Times from. MATT 3:7. THROUGH 1 PETER. 3:21. so all have always check. the Greek TEXT ,

My job is not to CONDEMN. and my ONLY JOB is in 2 TIM 2:15. Be diligent to present. yourself ACCEPTED by GOD

a workman. having no cause for SHAME RIGHTLY. DIVIDING the Word of. TRUTH and you have to PLEASE GOD

and NOT ME and check Rom 10:9 and 10 is for TODAY. and Paul is the Apostle for the GENTIES. and 1 Cor 11:1

says You become IMITATORS. of ME , just as. I. also am. of CHRIST.

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And all that you quote ANY verse is correct but not ALL is for us. !!
Every Word of God is for everyone Dan, Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

I'm sure if you spent decades thinking otherwise you wouldn't get it

You appear to be fixated on an aspect or 2 for some odd reason which usually happens when believers try to justify themselves for exercising certain activities stipulated in the scriptures

Better to start at saved by unmerited Divine Mercy and Grace and leave it at that
 
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The people of Israel and all mankind have always been God's children.

Blinded as we all are, in total or in part to the fact, by the covering God placed on us all.
And just asking , ARE we. under the Law. ??

Are we UNDER. the NEW COVENANT. ??

Are we UNDER GRACE ??

And a verse that says THE people of Israel and ALL. Mankind have ALWAYS been God.'s children. ??

dan p
 
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And just asking , ARE we. under the Law. ??
The very real evil present within everyone is definitely both under the law and condemned by the law, rightfully so.

Mark 7:21-23 is a reality for all of us Dan. Anyone who doesn't believe that is just lying to themselves.
Are we UNDER. the NEW COVENANT. ??
The tempter or his own in NO PERSON is under the New Covenant.

You're theology is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole by only seeing one party in the equations when that's simply not the case. We're all tempted internally by the tempter
Are we UNDER GRACE ??
People are. Devils are not.
And a verse that says THE people of Israel and ALL. Mankind have ALWAYS been God.'s children. ??

Matt. 23:9, Acts 17:28-29, Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Romans 11:26-32 among many likewise
 
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