So Evil has been defeated - the Next 8 years show promise!

[DavinMochrie]

Oh please just get over it.

I've had to read tons od threads about how Obama is evil.

Just get over it and move on.

 

[BabyLutheran]

not evil, just another politician

I hope I am wrong.

 

[Jessica Lauren]

I'm so thrilled about Obama winning!

 

[Protinus]

Obama means so much to me....in the way this nation should turn and ascend. I worked as hard as everyone.

now to overturn Prop 8 and to not watch Sarah Palin's self destruction.

 

[spinningtutu]

Evil ain't gonna be defeated until Christ returns. Till then, we're stuck with EVIL in ALL administrations.

 

[Protinus]

Evil ain't gonna be defeated until Christ returns. Till then, we're stuck with EVIL in ALL administrations.

huh?

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Evil ain't gonna be defeated until Christ returns. Till then, we're stuck with EVIL in ALL administrations.

Truer words were never spoken.

And btw,

Don't let THEM immanentize the eschaton!

 

[ReadingForOrders]

Obama means so much to me....in the way this nation should turn and ascend. I worked as hard as everyone.

now to overturn Prop 8 and tofile:///C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator.YOUR-D0F670B45A.001/My Documents/ not watch Sarah Palin's self destruction.

I hope you are right my friend but I do not share your optimism. Voting for the lesser of two evils which is what we faced this and the last several elections is still voting for evil.

 

[ReadingForOrders]

Evil ain't gonna be defeated until Christ returns. Till then, we're stuck with EVIL in ALL administrations.

Agreed my friend.

 

[Atlantians]

Obama means so much to me....in the way this nation should turn and ascend. I worked as hard as everyone.

now to overturn Prop 8 and to not watch Sarah Palin's self destruction.

How on earth as a Catholic can you support a man who is viraly pro-choice as well as oppose a ban on gay marriage?

huh?

You believe Obama will lead the perfect administration?

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

How on earth as a Catholic can you support a man who is viraly pro-choice as well as oppose a ban on gay marriage?
You believe Obama will lead the perfect administration?

So you are prepared to donate several hundred thousand dollars toward the support and raising of one of those fetuses you are so concerned about? You people yap about life but I never see you take any of the responsibility for that life. Adopt an unwanted kid or two and put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

How on earth as a Catholic can you support a man who is viraly pro-choice as well as oppose a ban on gay marriage?


You believe Obama will lead the perfect administration?

Those are two separate issues, not necessarily related. You have, for example, our friend Paxi who is pro-gay but also pro-life.

Myself, I'm against gay marriage, but for civil unions with all the same legal rights and privileges. I'm pro-life, but not for a national ban on it. I'm a very strict constitutionalist, and on both issues, I'm concerned with preserving the rights of the states vs. the federal government. If abortion is murder, well, there's no federal law against murder. It's the states who are charged with making laws against common crimes and prosecuting them. And if it's merely a medical procedure, there's no constitutional authorization for federal involvement in that either. The Izzy position is that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and the matter settled at the state level.

I'm not an Obama supporter, except in the sense that now that God has appointed him to lead our nation for the next four years, I'll do my duty as a Christian and pray for his safety and his wisdom in governing. I admit I'm glad to see the last of George W. Bush, but if it had been McCain that replaced him, that would've been just fine with me, and preferable since I considered McCain the lesser evil. I was really for Bob Barr on the Libertarian ticket, but I knew that wasn't going to happen.

 

[Atlantians]

Those are two separate issues, not necessarily related. You have, for example, our friend Paxi who is pro-gay but also pro-life.

I know they are separate issues that is why I identified both of them separately.

Myself, I'm against gay marriage, but for civil unions with all the same legal rights and privileges. I'm pro-life, but not for a national ban on it. I'm a very strict constitutionalist, and on both issues, I'm concerned with preserving the rights of the states vs. the federal government. If abortion is murder, well, there's no federal law against murder. It's the states who are charged with making laws against common crimes and prosecuting them. And if it's merely a medical procedure, there's no constitutional authorization for federal involvement in that either. The Izzy position is that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, and the matter settled at the state level.

I am a post-Lincolnian, not a strict Constitutionalist.

 

[BabyLutheran]

So you are prepared to donate several hundred thousand dollars toward the support and raising of one of those fetuses you are so concerned about? You people yap about life but I never see you take any of the responsibility for that life. Adopt an unwanted kid or two and put your money where your mouth is.

I did, and I know a lot of people who are waiting to.

 

[BabyLutheran]

Evil ain't gonna be defeated until Christ returns. Till then, we're stuck with EVIL in ALL administrations.

You mean he didn't? From the reactions, I thought we just elected him! lol

BTW I am not anti Obama, I just think it's pretty funny how everyone is anointing him!

I support national health care, but I am pro Life, I am a conservative liberal, if I had to pigeonhole myself.

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

I did, and I know a lot of people who are waiting to.

And for a pro-lifer who chooses not to adopt, I'm sure a system could be worked out to automatically withdraw a substantial amount of their household income for the care and raising of a child born to a disadvantaged mother if she agrees to carrry the fetus to full term. Here's a good pro-life rule: If you save it, you bought it. And hey, that' doesn't mean you can send it off to war when it turns 18, either.

 

[ReadingForOrders]

I did, and I know a lot of people who are waiting to.

Actually I know several who have and several more who are foster parents.

 

[ReadingForOrders]

You mean he didn't? From the reactions, I thought we just elected him! lol

BTW I am not anti Obama, I just think it's pretty funny how everyone is anointing him!

I support national health care, but I am pro Life, I am a conservative liberal, if I had to pigeonhole myself.

Oh man I was starting to like you too, but I don't see how I, a liberal conservative, could get along with the likes of you. LOL

 

[ReadingForOrders]

And for a pro-lifer who chooses not to adopt, I'm sure a system could be worked out to automatically withdraw a substantial amount of their household income for the care and raising of a child born to a disadvantaged mother if she agrees to carrry the fetus to full term. Here's a good pro-life rule: If you save it, you bought it. And hey, that' doesn't mean you can send it off to war when it turns 18, either.

I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying here. You actually support abortion as a means of birth control is that correct?

 

[Tube Socks Dude]

I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying here. You actually support abortion as a means of birth control is that correct?

You rig the question trying to put me on the horns of an "either/or" moral dilemma that doesn't exist. Behind those two innocent little words "birth control" is trojan horse crammed full of pre-conceived, social-conservative ideological baggage that has nothing to do with birth control itself, such as the question of when personhood arises, what constitutes absolute truth, and who/what has the authority to proclaim it. Simply preventing fertilization with a condom or pill does not involve the same ethical considerations as racing to terminate the development of fetal tissue before personhood arises. Birth control by fertilization prevention is not the same as birth prevention by controlled abortion. Anyone who has put on a condom, swallowed a pill or had their tubes tied knows this subtle difference because they are trying to avoid utilizing abortion as a birth prevention measure. The pro-life tactic of collapsing the distictions between conception, control, prevention, termination, fetal tissue, personhood, individual sovereignty of conscience and reproductive rights won't work on somebody who recognizes a philosophical trap when they see one. Ask me if I support birth control or ask me if I support abortion but please dont' conflate the two.