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This command was given to ethnic Israel not to the world at large.
I think you are confused here my friend. There were the many sabbaths which were specific to Israel however the 4th commandment which was a republication of what already existed was not Israel specific.
The Sabbath was a CREATION ORDINANCE.
Marriage was a CREATION ORDINANCE.
I think you are confused here my friend. There were the many sabbaths which were specific to Israel however the 4th commandment which was a republication of what already existed was not Israel specific.
The Sabbath was a CREATION ORDINANCE.
Marriage was a CREATION ORDINANCE.
As creation ordinances they are permanent. The death of Christ fulfilled the OT worship and the many sabbaths but the seventh day Sabbath is continuous. If I could suggest you read some of the material below. Esp. Ryle and Watson.
http://www.apuritansmind.com/TheLordsDay/TheLordsDay.htm
The Sabbath was a CREATION ORDINANCE.
Marriage was a CREATION ORDINANCE.
As creation ordinances they are permanent. The death of Christ fulfilled the OT worship and the many sabbaths but the seventh day Sabbath is continuous. If I could suggest you read some of the material below. Esp. Ryle and Watson.
1. What were they to remember?
2. How can they be called to remember something that did not exist prior to the command?
3. The Sabbath existed from creation.
As I said above, read Watson:
a. http://www.apuritansmind.com/TheLordsDay/ThomasWatsonLordsDay.htm
b. http://www.apuritansmind.com/TheLordsDay/ThomasWatson4thCommandment.htm
The Sabbath of the Law puts limitations on how I should live in the Physical, how much work is too much, how far we can walk in a day. But I would like to Suggest that a Sabbath that would be considered NT, is one that is much like Psalm 51, coming to God at all times, giving over our whole lives to Him in honoring submission, not just a single day, or parts of the day, but in Totallity through our lives.
Where does Scripture indicate what you are suggesting? Where does Scripture indicate that the Sabbath is continuous? What about the other 612? Why is the Sabbath continuous but the other 612 are not?
Because Christ was the fulfilment of the OT system but not the sabbath which is permanent being a creation ordinance.
I remember something someone on another Christian board was saying. Essentially the person said, "No one would argue this point if we were talking about another of the Ten Commandments."Where does Scripture indicate what you are suggesting? Where does Scripture indicate that the Sabbath is continuous? What about the other 612? Why is the Sabbath continuous but the other 612 are not?
I remember something someone on another Christian board was saying. Essentially the person said, "No one would argue this point if we were talking about another of the Ten Commandments."
I'm not trying to be divisive (and if this is stirring up rotten feelins, maybe it ought be dropped - quarrels over the law and all) I'm honestly trying to extract information.
God bless,
Lissa
God's plan is to have a people for his own possession and in the OT they were called Israel. But as propesised in the OT the gentiles would be brought in and so gentiles are grafted into the tree. With this people God has made known his law called Moral and one part of that was to keep the seventh day holy. In the OT that was Saturday but in the NT, Christ, as the Lord of the Sabbath changed the day to the Sunday and so Christians keep the Sunday as their sabbath but call it the Lord's day.
Try reading:
1. http://www.apuritansmind.com/Baptism/KarlbergMarkReformedInterpretationMosaic.htm
2. http://www.apuritansmind.com/TheLordsDay/TheLordsDay.htm
3. http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/subcats.asp?id=13|26
Actually the Sabbath as defined in Scripture is great!! I have been working for 8 days straight, and a good Sabbath will be good right about now. Ahhhhh rest. But many who suggest that we "must" keep the Sabbath have no idea what God intended for it to be, I'd like to mow the lawn but... It is the Sabbath, Ahhhhhh, back to my nap.
The idea that Christ changed the sabbath day from saturday to sunday is also refuted. The early church continued keeping the sabbath until after the apostolic era. The church gradually elevated the first day to equality with the seventh, then declared it to be the "Christian Sabbath". The sabbath set by the lord is a festival day, a joyous occasion, the church changed it to a fasting day.
See the point I'm trying to convey is exactly the picture here. God doesn't care if you don't mow your lawn or not because of it being a 'Sabbath.' Seeking God isn't about giving up other things for the sake of giving them up. If there is nothing to fill the hole with then an equal evil will replace it, that is the nature of man. While I agree a rest is what God desires, I don't think he wants us to rest just for the sake of resting, I think He wants us to rest to take our focus and put it back on Him. We see that as Jesus healed the man on the Sabbath and so broke the Law of the Pharisees. God is more concerned about what you are doing than what you are trying not to do. I mention all of this because that's what we see in Hebrews 12:1-3. Throw off every weight of sin that hinders us, and we do this by focusing on Christ...
Honestly I'm coming to the point where I think communion is the NT Sabbath.
Edit: Okay I'm going to ask it outright because I think the implication in my last post were overlooked. What difference does it make if I observe the Jewish Sabbath as seen in the Old Testament or Not?
See the point I'm trying to convey is exactly the picture here. God doesn't care if you don't mow your lawn or not because of it being a 'Sabbath.' Seeking God isn't about giving up other things for the sake of giving them up. If there is nothing to fill the hole with then an equal evil will replace it, that is the nature of man. While I agree a rest is what God desires, I don't think he wants us to rest just for the sake of resting, I think He wants us to rest to take our focus and put it back on Him. We see that as Jesus healed the man on the Sabbath and so broke the Law of the Pharisees. God is more concerned about what you are doing than what you are trying not to do. I mention all of this because that's what we see in Hebrews 12:1-3. Throw off every weight of sin that hinders us, and we do this by focusing on Christ...
Honestly I'm coming to the point where I think communion is the NT Sabbath.
Edit: Okay I'm going to ask it outright because I think the implication in my last post were overlooked. What difference does it make if I observe the Jewish Sabbath as seen in the Old Testament or Not?
See the point I'm trying to convey is exactly the picture here. God doesn't care if you don't mow your lawn or not because of it being a 'Sabbath.' Seeking God isn't about giving up other things for the sake of giving them up. If there is nothing to fill the hole with then an equal evil will replace it, that is the nature of man. While I agree a rest is what God desires, I don't think he wants us to rest just for the sake of resting, I think He wants us to rest to take our focus and put it back on Him. We see that as Jesus healed the man on the Sabbath and so broke the Law of the Pharisees. God is more concerned about what you are doing than what you are trying not to do. I mention all of this because that's what we see in Hebrews 12:1-3. Throw off every weight of sin that hinders us, and we do this by focusing on Christ...
Honestly I'm coming to the point where I think communion is the NT Sabbath.
Edit: Okay I'm going to ask it outright because I think the implication in my last post were overlooked. What difference does it make if I observe the Jewish Sabbath as seen in the Old Testament or Not?
See the point I'm trying to convey is exactly the picture here. God doesn't care if you don't mow your lawn or not because of it being a 'Sabbath.' Seeking God isn't about giving up other things for the sake of giving them up. If there is nothing to fill the hole with then an equal evil will replace it, that is the nature of man. While I agree a rest is what God desires, I don't think he wants us to rest just for the sake of resting, I think He wants us to rest to take our focus and put it back on Him. We see that as Jesus healed the man on the Sabbath and so broke the Law of the Pharisees. God is more concerned about what you are doing than what you are trying not to do. I mention all of this because that's what we see in Hebrews 12:1-3. Throw off every weight of sin that hinders us, and we do this by focusing on Christ...
Honestly I'm coming to the point where I think communion is the NT Sabbath.
Edit: Okay I'm going to ask it outright because I think the implication in my last post were overlooked. What difference does it make if I observe the Jewish Sabbath as seen in the Old Testament or Not?[/quote]
Well if you desire to set appart one day for honoring God in the manner you see fit, that is great, if you do it every day all day even better. But when some guy comes along and tells you that you have to observe a day as a requirement to have fellowship with him and then trys to suggest that his bias is based upon the Bible, well there he is worng. The Sabbath was given to ethnic Israel alone. Do you see what I am saying? And make no mistake there are those who desire to put this yoke of bondage upon the body of Messiah
Well if you desire to set appart one day for honoring God in the manner you see fit, that is great, if you do it every day all day even better. But when some guy comes along and tells you that you have to observe a day as a requirement to have fellowship with him and then trys to suggest that his bias is based upon the Bible, well there he is worng. The Sabbath was given to ethnic Israel alone. Do you see what I am saying? And make no mistake there are those who desire to put this yoke of bondage upon the body of Messiah
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