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[ex-nihilo]

A vasectomy causes damage to the tesitcles. It's a medical fact. sperm was never meant to cross the blood barrier. Having a vasectomy, exposes sperm to the blood causing an immuno response that causes various levels of damage to the testicls and more specifically, the ledig cells. The results for most men are negligable at first however for some men, post vasectomy pain syndrome, severe loss of testosterone, and other health complictions are involved. It is the equivilant of suffering a blunt trauma to the testicles that also causes internal breakage and a crossing of the blood barrier by the sperm. In other words, once you have a vasectomy, you've got 'damaged' or 'wounded' stones: the result for all men is an accelerated reduction in testosterone and all the effects that go along with that (increased body fat, reduced muscle mass, fatigue-especially after meals, etc)

Since God created you a man, and He created testosterone to aid in this distinction, doing anything to damage your testosterone would be un-biblical and a sin. All sin has consequence and having a vasectomy is no different.

Let's see what the bible has to say about men who have 'damaged' or 'wounded' 'stones':

Leviticus 21:19-21 (King James Version)



19Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; 21No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

So having a vasectomy would preclude you from preisthood in the Old Testament, so obvioulsy, something is wrong here.

But having a vasectomy more than pre-cludes you from the preisthood:

Deuteronomy 23:1 (King James Version)


Deuteronomy 23

1He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.



So as you can see, the Bible clearly speaks out against having a vasectomy or damaging your testicles in any way shape or form.

Having a vasectomy excludes you from attending church, in effect, being cut off from the Lord's congregation.

So please read the Bible and pray when you are discerning if a vasectomy is sinful or not.

For those who claim that the Bible is insufficient and doesn't speak to this matter, they are probably studying from a neutered Bible (gender neutral) or speak from ignorance that there are actually versus in Scripture that deal directly with any damage to the testicles.

God Bless.

Soli Deo Gloria!

 

[HisLittleHazelnut]

*facepalm*

 

[Created2Write]

A vasectomy causes damage to the tesitcles. It's a medical fact. sperm was never meant to cross the blood barrier. Having a vasectomy, exposes sperm to the blood causing an immuno response that causes various levels of damage to the testicls and more specifically, the ledig cells. The results for most men are negligable at first however for some men, post vasectomy pain syndrome, severe loss of testosterone, and other health complictions are involved. It is the equivilant of suffering a blunt trauma to the testicles that also causes internal breakage and a crossing of the blood barrier by the sperm. In other words, once you have a vasectomy, you've got 'damaged' or 'wounded' stones: the result for all men is an accelerated reduction in testosterone and all the effects that go along with that (increased body fat, reduced muscle mass, fatigue-especially after meals, etc)

....I have never EVER heard of this before. Maybe if it was a boched procedure. Why, and how, would the sperm meet or cross a blood barrier? My husbands father got a vasectomy and has never suffered with those issues. I do know, however, that men who get vasectomy's are more prone to prostate cancer, but(aside from being an incredibly painful procedure) that is the only side effect I have ever heard of. Where did you get your info?

Since God created you a man, and He created testosterone to aid in this distinction, doing anything to damage your testosterone would be un-biblical and a sin. All sin has consequence and having a vasectomy is no different.

The Bible also says there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. And, as said before, the Jews circumcised themselves.

Let's see what the bible has to say about men who have 'damaged' or 'wounded' 'stones':

Leviticus 21:19-21 (King James Version)



19Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; 21No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

So having a vasectomy would preclude you from preisthood in the Old Testament, so obvioulsy, something is wrong here.

But having a vasectomy more than pre-cludes you from the preisthood:

Deuteronomy 23:1 (King James Version)


Deuteronomy 23

1He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.



So as you can see, the Bible clearly speaks out against having a vasectomy or damaging your testicles in any way shape or form.

Having a vasectomy excludes you from attending church, in effect, being cut off from the Lord's congregation.

So please read the Bible and pray when you are discerning if a vasectomy is sinful or not.

For those who claim that the Bible is insufficient and doesn't speak to this matter, they are probably studying from a neutered Bible (gender neutral) or speak from ignorance that there are actually versus in Scripture that deal directly with any damage to the testicles.

God Bless.

Soli Deo Gloria!

.....The OT also says to stone adulturers. Do we do that today? No. Where in the NEW Testament does it say these things about "broken stones"? When Jesus died, the Old Law was made irrelevant. Hence, things that were one way before Christ, were made different and new through His death and resurrection.

I, personally, see nothing wrong with vasectomy's. My husband and I have decided that, when we are done having children, that I will be the one to get my tubes tied. There are risks involved with vasectomy's(as I stated above), and it's incredibly painful. But I don't find anything wrong with either one, unless of course the decision is not mutual or something.

 

[pwfaith]

Blind post.

I agree with others that the bible is silent on it. The decision is a personal one, between you and God. What is the conviction of your heart about it? Pray, talk to other godly men at your church about it and esp your wife. You definitely want to be on the same page.

That all being said, my husband and I are not exactly on the same page about it. I would like for him to get it done but he does not like the idea of it. He just doesn't feel it is natural. I respect his decision and have let it go and put it in God's hands. We are 32 & 35, and we have 5 children. We'd really like to be done with our biological children and just adopt in a few years. As much as I want him to, at the same time, I recognize there are risks (the risk of prostate cancer is unknown - some say there is, others say there's not - for DH the unknown is not promising enough, we had also read about some adverse reactions to the sperm being absorbed into the body that made him uncomfortable) and I'm not always 100%.

We were done with 4 lol We were confident that was it and we wanted no more at all! Then God saw fit for our birth control (condoms) to fail. And now I cannot imagine our life without our last daughter. She has been the biggest blessing and challenge lol

It's a hard decision, that's for sure. Since neither of us are 100% about anything permanent, our best plan is just trusting God (not always easy, esp for me but I'm working on it and trying my best).

 

[pwfaith]

I, personally, see nothing wrong with vasectomy's. My husband and I have decided that, when we are done having children, that I will be the one to get my tubes tied. There are risks involved with vasectomy's(as I stated above), and it's incredibly painful. But I don't find anything wrong with either one, unless of course the decision is not mutual or something.

There are also risks with getting your tubes tied. Please research about Post Tubal Ligation Syndrome before making your decision.

If you don't mind my asking, why the decision for you to have your tubes tied over him having a vasectomy? (medically speaking, vasectomy is MUCH easier - less invasive, out patient surgery, less risks, etc) Just curious, if you don't want to answer I totally respect that.

 

[Romanseight2005]

Eunuchs are in scripture, and being a eunuch is not spoken out against in scripture.

 

[pwfaith]

I simply don't find any biblical basis against using birth control. Vasectomy is the cheapest and most effective form of birth control. It is probably also the safest, though I haven't seen any studies comparing it to long term use of birth control pills. It is also permanent, or at least should be considered so. Reversals are painful, expensive, not covered by insurance, and don't always work.

I'm not totally sure on all that lol Birth control is certainly something that is preference or conviction (my dh and I will not use any hormonal birth controls out of our conviction - something we do not impose on others). I'm not sure about it being the cheapest or most effective. Do you have any links or information to support that? Maybe it is among permanent means but among ALL birth controls, hmmm, just not sure about that. It's definitely not the safest among all birth controls. Among permanent procedures it very well may be though.

I would also check with ones insurance company to be sure they cover vasectomies too.

 

[mont974x4]

A vasectomy causes damage to the tesitcles. It's a medical fact. sperm was never meant to cross the blood barrier. Having a vasectomy, exposes sperm to the blood causing an immuno response that causes various levels of damage to the testicls and more specifically, the ledig cells. The results for most men are negligable at first however for some men, post vasectomy pain syndrome, severe loss of testosterone, and other health complictions are involved. It is the equivilant of suffering a blunt trauma to the testicles that also causes internal breakage and a crossing of the blood barrier by the sperm. In other words, once you have a vasectomy, you've got 'damaged' or 'wounded' stones: the result for all men is an accelerated reduction in testosterone and all the effects that go along with that (increased body fat, reduced muscle mass, fatigue-especially after meals, etc)

Since God created you a man, and He created testosterone to aid in this distinction, doing anything to damage your testosterone would be un-biblical and a sin. All sin has consequence and having a vasectomy is no different.

Let's see what the bible has to say about men who have 'damaged' or 'wounded' 'stones':

Leviticus 21:19-21 (King James Version)



19Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; 21No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.

So having a vasectomy would preclude you from preisthood in the Old Testament, so obvioulsy, something is wrong here.

But having a vasectomy more than pre-cludes you from the preisthood:

Deuteronomy 23:1 (King James Version)


Deuteronomy 23

1He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.



So as you can see, the Bible clearly speaks out against having a vasectomy or damaging your testicles in any way shape or form.

Having a vasectomy excludes you from attending church, in effect, being cut off from the Lord's congregation.

So please read the Bible and pray when you are discerning if a vasectomy is sinful or not.

For those who claim that the Bible is insufficient and doesn't speak to this matter, they are probably studying from a neutered Bible (gender neutral) or speak from ignorance that there are actually versus in Scripture that deal directly with any damage to the testicles.

God Bless.

Soli Deo Gloria!

I don't even know where to being here except to wonder if you are actually serious or if you joined the forum for the sole purpose of posting this trash.

 

[Peripatetic]

It probably depends on your view of birth control in general. Our family believes that it is not sinful when used for practical family planning within a marriage (ie. not using it to enable premarital sex). The main reason that we/I decided to get the procedure is that we didn't want my wife to continue to stay on the pill for the long term, which is not necessarily good for your health. In fact, someone in my immediate family experienced a stroke where birth control pills were a contributing factor. The risks for a vasectomy are minimal, and I was very willing to do it. Once you get past the initial unpleasant recovery period, life is back to normal with no ill effects. Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions.

 

[Created2Write]

There are also risks with getting your tubes tied. Please research about Post Tubal Ligation Syndrome before making your decision.

There are risks with everything. I have heard of PTLS, and no woman that I have known who got her tubes tied has ever suffered from this. Also, many physicians aren't even sure PTLS even exists. Prostate cancer has been suspected, and proven, for many years to be linked with vasectomy's.

If you don't mind my asking, why the decision for you to have your tubes tied over him having a vasectomy? (medically speaking, vasectomy is MUCH easier - less invasive, out patient surgery, less risks, etc) Just curious, if you don't want to answer I totally respect that.

I don't mind.

Every male in his family has been made by their wives to get a vasectomy, and I simply do not want him to do it. His father was scared to death of getting one, said it was the single most painful procedure he'd ever had in his life, and I don't want my husband to go through it. Once we have our last child, I can say to the Doctor, "Yo, double knot 'em while you're down there, will ya?" It won't hurt(women actually get drugs since it, technically, is an inside surgery. The drugs men get to dull the pain is STILL incredibly painful as it involves a shot directly into the testicles.), I can get it done right after giving birth(Sounds so much easier to me), and he doesn't have to worry or go through anything painful.

As far as it being more risky, I'm not sure I buy that. I have known a lot of women who've tied their tubes, and they've never had any problems. As far as vasectomy's, however, I have known men who struggled after the procedure. My husbands dad being one of them. Again, there are risks with everything. But if getting my tubes tied saves him from anxiety, fear, pain and prostate cancer, I'm more than happy to oblige.

We haven't had any kids yet, so this decision is still a ways out there, but we've pretty much decided I'll be getting my tubes tied. It was my idea before I even heard about his father, and he is SO relieved to know he won't have to endure a vasectomy.

Lastly, I enjoy the way our sex is right now. I want an option that won't change it, or at least, won't change it a lot. Getting my tubes tied is that option.

I just read up on both procedures, and they sound similar in many respects. There are pros and cons to both.

 

[TaterFaith]

I wouldn't do it, you may regret it one day

 

[pwfaith]

There are risks with everything. I have heard of PTLS, and no woman that I have known who got her tubes tied has ever suffered from this. Also, many physicians aren't even sure PTLS even exists. Prostate cancer has been suspected, and proven, for many years to be linked with vasectomy's.

I would ask a Dr about that. My DH, although he really didn't want to, agreed to at least go in for a consult and asked about the prostate cancer. Basically the Dr told him there is no significant evidence one way or the other, it's all speculation right now (mayo clinic and other sites say it doesn't, some say it's unknown, to my knowledge none of the reputable ones declare there absolutely is). So according to him and other Drs it's not really "proven". I know a few women personally who have suffered from PTLS. I tried to post a couple links (one of a blog by a woman who suffers from it) but I don't have enough posts to post a link. I think Drs don't understand it b/c it's something that happens over a period of time, not all at once.

I think both carry risks due to the fact you are effecting the flows of testosterone in men and hormones in women. Anytime you screw around with those things there are long-term risks to consider. It's basically weighing the odds of the risks involved for each.

All the Dr I've talked to have advised a vasectomy over a tubal confidently.

(ftr - the risk of prostate cancer was my DH's #2 reason for not wanting to have it done b/c his grandfather had prostate cancer, he didn't want to increase the odds at all IF it did. I will not take hormonal birth controls or get a tubal b/c of the risks involved, not just right now but the long-term. I feel like we know so little about the long-term risks of playing around with these areas of the body, that I'm just not comfortable with it and I'm afraid of the increased risk of ectopic pregnancy. That scares me to death! That's my personal reasons though, I respect the decisions of others and their personal reasons)

 

[pwfaith]

Every male in his family has been made by their wives to get a vasectomy, and I simply do not want him to do it. His father was scared to death of getting one, said it was the single most painful procedure he'd ever had in his life, and I don't want my husband to go through it. Once we have our last child, I can say to the Doctor, "Yo, double knot 'em while you're down there, will ya?" It won't hurt(women actually get drugs since it, technically, is an inside surgery. The drugs men get to dull the pain is STILL incredibly painful as it involves a shot directly into the testicles.), I can get it done right after giving birth(Sounds so much easier to me), and he doesn't have to worry or go through anything painful.

As far as it being more risky, I'm not sure I buy that. I have known a lot of women who've tied their tubes, and they've never had any problems. As far as vasectomy's, however, I have known men who struggled after the procedure. My husbands dad being one of them. Again, there are risks with everything. But if getting my tubes tied saves him from anxiety, fear, pain and prostate cancer, I'm more than happy to oblige.

We haven't had any kids yet, so this decision is still a ways out there, but we've pretty much decided I'll be getting my tubes tied. It was my idea before I even heard about his father, and he is SO relieved to know he won't have to endure a vasectomy.

Lastly, I enjoy the way our sex is right now. I want an option that won't change it, or at least, won't change it a lot. Getting my tubes tied is that option.

I just read up on both procedures, and they sound similar in many respects. There are pros and cons to both.

I think I'm a little confused by this lol You said you haven't had any children yet but you also talked about them doing it while they were there. I don't understand. Are you planning to have c-s for all your kids? Truly no offense but I think you need to do a little more research. They don't go "up in there" to do it, they cut you open to do it in your abdomen. BOTH get drugs for it, however he just gets local drugs, you get knocked out completely (which is less safe). They only do it right after birth if you have had c-s, which are consider to be major surgery. Tubals are still consider to be major surgery as well, but a vasectomy is not.

Not to be personal about your FIL's private areas lol but is it at all possible he didn't follow the Dr's orders after the procedure and that's why it was so painful? DH has had several friends that have had Vasectomies and the only ones who had any problems (aside from the immediate, first day or 2 of swelling/pain) were the ones who didn't rest and take it easy, didn't go back for check-ups, etc. All those who did, never had any problems after. A tubal isn't exactly a walk in the park either.

I think they are similar in some ways but certainly not by means of one can be done in the Drs office, the other has to be done in a hospital setting, one takes local anesthetic, the other requires general anesthesia, recovery is entirely different, with a vasectomy it's usually about 48 hrs, with a tubal it's at least a week. Vasectomy requires two small incisions in the scrotum; tubal ligation involves a small abdominal incision (cutting through muscle, etc).

As far as I know and have read, vasectomies do not effect sexual function or desire. That's a myth. I have read of women who have had a significant loss in desire after a tubal though. Hormone changes involved. Happens to me when I'm pg, so I would assume it would be possible with a tubal.

As I said about the risk of tubal pregnancies is a big concern for me. From what I've read if you have the procedure done before age 30 you are an increased risk and 10+ yrs after the procedure you are at an increased risk. The failure rate for both procedures goes up after 10 years. The failure rate for a tubal is slightly higher than the vasectomy to begin with.

Although tubal ligation is almost 100 percent effective, a small percentage of women will become pregnant as much as ten years later and the risk of tubal pregnancy is significantly higher in women who have undergone tubal ligation. Among 10,685 women studied, the risk of ectopic pregnancy within 10 years after sterilization was about 7 per 1,000 procedures. (link found at about.com

There are several types of tubal, which one you have done can make a difference in the risks too I believe.

(ETA: I don't agree with forcing anyone to have anything medically done, esp when it's not necessary, so I agree with you there. I don't think it's right for us as wives to demand such things from our husbands, it should be something we discuss and research together. Your DH should research it and research tubals, risks, etc for his own benefit and to understand what you will be going through when you have it done)

 

[Peripatetic]

I think they are similar in some ways but certainly not by means of one can be done in the Drs office, the other has to be done in a hospital setting, one takes local anesthetic, the other requires general anesthesia, recovery is entirely different, with a vasectomy it's usually about 48 hrs, with a tubal it's at least a week. Vasectomy requires two small incisions in the scrotum; tubal ligation involves a small abdominal incision.

I agree... the procedure itself wasn't a big deal at all. I didn't need any pain meds either (but the bag of frozen peas is a must!). I was back on my feet in one day (pain lasted a few days with random flashes on and off for about a month). Other than that, I just had to wear a little extra support for a while. I know it's different for everyone, but I wouldn't have been at all comfortable with my wife having a procedure while I sit back and watch. She went through childbirth twice! This was the least I could do...

 

[Created2Write]

I think I'm a little confused by this lol You said you haven't had any children yet but you also talked about them doing it while they were there. I don't understand. Are you planning to have c-s for all your kids?

??? I don't have children. But after giving birth to our last child(when we finally do have children) all I'll have to do is let the Doctor know that I want my tubes tied, and they can do it right there in the hospital.

Truly no offense but I think you need to do a little more research. They don't go "up in there" to do it, they cut you open to do it in your abdomen. BOTH get drugs for it, however he just gets local drugs, you get knocked out completely (which is less safe). They only do it right after birth if you have had c-s, which are consider to be major surgery. Tubals are still consider to be major surgery as well, but a vasectomy is not.

Yes, I am aware of how the surgery is done. My mom got her tubes tied, and she didn't have a C-Section. She has explained everything to me, and I have done research myself. I said they both have drugs, but for the man, it's a shot inserted directly into the testicles-aka, A LOT of pain initially.

Not to be personal about your FIL's private areas lol but is it at all possible he didn't follow the Dr's orders after the procedure and that's why it was so painful? DH has had several friends that have had Vasectomies and the only ones who had any problems (aside from the immediate, first day or 2 of swelling/pain) were the ones who didn't rest and take it easy, didn't go back for check-ups, etc. All those who did, never had any problems after.

I honestly don't know the details.

A tubal isn't exactly a walk in the park either.

I appreciate your concern, I truly do, but I never once said a tubal was a walk in the park. I know there are great risks with both procedures, and for me and my husband, a tubal ligation seems to be the best option.

I think they are similar in some ways but certainly not by means of one can be done in the Drs office, the other has to be done in a hospital setting, one takes local anesthetic, the other requires general anesthesia, recovery is entirely different, with a vasectomy it's usually about 48 hrs, with a tubal it's at least a week. Vasectomy requires two small incisions in the scrotum; tubal ligation involves a small abdominal incision (cutting through muscle, etc).

I don't understand why you seem to be so against tubal ligation. BOTH of those options seem to be pretty decent, to me. My birth control method is an IUD. Death is a possible side effect. I haven't had ANY issues with it, and the odds that I would were 1 in 100. It took me almost three weeks to recover after insertion.(It's meant for women who've already had a child. I had never had children, so my cervix was considerably smaller than normal qualifiers.) A week's recovery seems pretty good to me.

As far as I know and have read, vasectomies do not effect sexual function or desire. That's a myth. I have read of women who have had a significant loss in desire after a tubal though. Hormone changes involved. Happens to me when I'm pg, so I would assume it would be possible with a tubal.

Marriage effects desire too.

As I said about the risk of tubal pregnancies is a big concern for me. From what I've read if you have the procedure done before age 30 you are an increased risk and 10+ yrs after the procedure you are at an increased risk. The failure rate for both procedures goes up after 10 years. The failure rate for a tubal is slightly higher than the vasectomy to begin with.

There are several types of tubal, which one you have done can make a difference in the risks too I believe.

(ETA: I don't agree with forcing anyone to have anything medically done, esp when it's not necessary, so I agree with you there. I don't think it's right for us as wives to demand such things from our husbands, it should be something we discuss and research together. Your DH should research it and research tubals, risks, etc for his own benefit and to understand what you will be going through when you have it done)

I know of women who are against tubals because "I gave birth to the children, so the husband can endure pain now too". I think it's bunk. I seriously do not understand why there's such a bleak outlook on tubal ligation. It's not that big of a deal. I have talked to a gynecologist before, when trying to find suitable birth control for us, and she mentioned both tubal ligation and vasectomy's. She never said the one was better than the other, only that both have pretty significant risks involved.

For my husband and I, tubal ligation is the way we are pretty certain we'll go. Again, the actual decision is a ways out there, as we don't have any children yet, but when it comes I am almost entirely certain that it will be what it is now. And, for your information, it will, by no means, be an uneducated decision.

 

[Created2Write]

I agree... the procedure itself wasn't a big deal at all. I didn't need any pain meds either (but the bag of frozen peas is a must!). I was back on my feet in one day (pain lasted a few days with random flashes on and off for about a month). Other than that, I just had to wear a little extra support for a while. I know it's different for everyone, but I wouldn't have been at all comfortable with my wife having a procedure while I sit back and watch. She went through childbirth twice! This was the least I could do...

That's great for you.

But that's not how I view it. My husband HATES the idea of a vasectomy. And, honestly, so do I. On top of everything I've already mentioned, without being explicit here, I like feeling him release. We both want that to stay the same.

 

[Created2Write]

I would ask a Dr about that. My DH, although he really didn't want to, agreed to at least go in for a consult and asked about the prostate cancer. Basically the Dr told him there is no significant evidence one way or the other, it's all speculation right now (mayo clinic and other sites say it doesn't, some say it's unknown, to my knowledge none of the reputable ones declare there absolutely is). So according to him and other Drs it's not really "proven". I know a few women personally who have suffered from PTLS. I tried to post a couple links (one of a blog by a woman who suffers from it) but I don't have enough posts to post a link. I think Drs don't understand it b/c it's something that happens over a period of time, not all at once.

For the same reason you support vasectomy(with saying prostate cancer isn't proven), I support tubal ligation, saying PTLS isn't proven either.

I think both carry risks due to the fact you are effecting the flows of testosterone in men and hormones in women. Anytime you screw around with those things there are long-term risks to consider. It's basically weighing the odds of the risks involved for each.

All the Dr I've talked to have advised a vasectomy over a tubal confidently.

(ftr - the risk of prostate cancer was my DH's #2 reason for not wanting to have it done b/c his grandfather had prostate cancer, he didn't want to increase the odds at all IF it did. I will not take hormonal birth controls or get a tubal b/c of the risks involved, not just right now but the long-term. I feel like we know so little about the long-term risks of playing around with these areas of the body, that I'm just not comfortable with it and I'm afraid of the increased risk of ectopic pregnancy. That scares me to death! That's my personal reasons though, I respect the decisions of others and their personal reasons)

My husbands great uncle got a vasectomy and had prostate cancer after wards. I really don't understand why you are SO against this. I have never, ever, known a woman who got a tubal, who then wound up pregnant, had a fluctuation in her desire, or any of the other problems listed. My mom has never had any problems with it, and her Dr. recommended it.

I'm kind of upset because I feel you are attacking my personal decision, or that you're trying to scare me out of this. I don't feel you respect my decision at all. You've said you "feel I should do more research", which implies that I don't know enough about this. I don't appreciate that one bit. I'm all for getting info and help, but you've taken the "info" and used it to try and build up a vasectomy to be better. That is YOUR opinion. I know plenty of women who would say otherwise.

 

[pwfaith]

??? I don't have children. But after giving birth to our last child(when we finally do have children) all I'll have to do is let the Doctor know that I want my tubes tied, and they can do it right there in the hospital.

TY! That makes more sense. The way you phrased it before didn't really make sense with talking about them just going up in there. As far as I know they typically do it when someone has a c-section, otherwise they reschedule at time after your delivery for you to come back in for the surgery.

Yes, I am aware of how the surgery is done. My mom got her tubes tied, and she didn't have a C-Section. She has explained everything to me, and I have done research myself. I said they both have drugs, but for the man, it's a shot inserted directly into the testicles-aka, A LOT of pain initially.

The shot does not go directly into the testicles. The area is numbed on the scrotum. There is no reason for them to do a shot into the testicles. There is a localized anesthetic given to numb the area where they will be cutting....

After a local anesthetic is administered, a small puncture is made in the scrotum. (The punctures in the skin may not require a scalpel.)

• Either the right or left vas deferens is lifted through this opening. The vas is cut, and a section may or may not be removed. You may feel a pulling sensation during this process. The two ends of the vas are heat sealed (cauterized), tied or clipped, before being returned to the scrotum.
• The opposite vas deferens is then lifted through the opening for the same procedure. The remaining opening can heal with closure by stitches or naturally without stitches.

(sorry still can't do links, look up The Vasectomy Procedure - Dr. Neil Baum - Urologist, New Orleans, LA)
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I don't see where it says anything about the testicles. The testicles are what produce sperm and testosterone. It is the two muscular tubes that carry sperm from the ball and epididymis to the urethra of the prostate that are cut above the testicles (as also explained on the site above). There would be no need to give the man a shot directly into the testicles. The pain should be no more than what you would feel at the dentist office when getting a shot to numb you for fixing a cavity or something I would assume (of course I'm not a guy and I understand this is a very sensitive part of the body so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that guys ). Me personally I'd rather than then major surgery.

I don't understand why you seem to be so against tubal ligation. BOTH of those options seem to be pretty decent, to me. My birth control method is an IUD. Death is a possible side effect. I haven't had ANY issues with it, and the odds that I would were 1 in 100. It took me almost three weeks to recover after insertion.(It's meant for women who've already had a child. I had never had children, so my cervix was considerably smaller than normal qualifiers.) A week's recovery seems pretty good to me.

Honestly I'm not against it. However imho I feel you are not as informed as you could be and that you are ill-informed on the procedures of each. When you make comments like you have about shots in the testicles, or them being basically the same procedures, prostate cancer being proven, etc. concerns me that you very well may not be accurately informed on this. You completely missed my point in mentioning the weeks recovery time. You made a statement about how both procedures sound similar, when in reality they are not. A 24-48 hr recovery is drastically different than a week or more recovery. It should show someone the difference in how invasive one is when compared to the other that it requires so much more recovery from it than the other.

Marriage effects desire too.

Yes it does, which is why my husband and I both sat down together and researched our options, prayed about them and made our decision together.

I know of women who are against tubals because "I gave birth to the children, so the husband can endure pain now too". I think it's bunk. I seriously do not understand why there's such a bleak outlook on tubal ligation. It's not that big of a deal.

I guess I just don't consider "major surgery" to be "not that big of a deal" when compared to a 20 min outpatient procedure. A Vasectomy, medically speaking, of the 2 is the one that is "not that big of a deal".

I tell you what, you have a few children (have 3, 4, 5 or so), au naturel, and we'll talk again about this part being bunk, k?

I have talked to a gynecologist before, when trying to find suitable birth control for us, and she mentioned both tubal ligation and vasectomy's. She never said the one was better than the other, only that both have pretty significant risks involved.

Ok? Maybe she knew you weren't at the point yet of making a solid decision on either one. Typically a OBGYN will not advise someone on permanent forms of birth control if they're just looking to prevent. If she knew you were eventually wanting children, there would be no reason to really go into detail about either of these when you were looking for a suitable birth control at a time when you were simply preventing temporarily.

For my husband and I, tubal ligation is the way we are pretty certain we'll go. Again, the actual decision is a ways out there, as we don't have any children yet, but when it comes I am almost entirely certain that it will be what it is now. And, for your information, it will, by no means, be an uneducated decision.

I'm glad to hear that

 

[pwfaith]

That's great for you.

But that's not how I view it. My husband HATES the idea of a vasectomy. And, honestly, so do I. On top of everything I've already mentioned, without being explicit here, I like feeling him release. We both want that to stay the same.

As does mine I HATE the idea of a tubal lol which leaves us where we are now.

They still "release" as you have put it it simply just does not contain sperm in the "release" - so no worries there, you get to still feel that. I think what you do not seem to understand is even with a vasectomy, he will stay the same, just like you - the only things that change are his "release" will not have sperm in it to get you pregnant and/or your eggs will not be making it to a place where they can be infiltrated. As far as sexual desire and activity, that will be the same.

 

[Created2Write]

TY! That makes more sense. The way you phrased it before didn't really make sense with talking about them just going up in there. As far as I know they typically do it when someone has a c-section, otherwise they reschedule at time after your delivery for you to come back in for the surgery.

The shot does not go directly into the testicles. The area is numbed on the scrotum. There is no reason for them to do a shot into the testicles. There is a localized anesthetic given to numb the area where they will be cutting....

After a local anesthetic is administered, a small puncture is made in the scrotum. (The punctures in the skin may not require a scalpel.)

• Either the right or left vas deferens is lifted through this opening. The vas is cut, and a section may or may not be removed. You may feel a pulling sensation during this process. The two ends of the vas are heat sealed (cauterized), tied or clipped, before being returned to the scrotum.
• The opposite vas deferens is then lifted through the opening for the same procedure. The remaining opening can heal with closure by stitches or naturally without stitches.

(sorry still can't do links, look up The Vasectomy Procedure - Dr. Neil Baum - Urologist, New Orleans, LA)
​

I don't see where it says anything about the testicles. The testicles are what produce sperm and testosterone. It is the two muscular tubes that carry sperm from the ball and epididymis to the urethra of the prostate that are cut above the testicles (as also explained on the site above). There would be no need to give the man a shot directly into the testicles. The pain should be no more than what you would feel at the dentist office when getting a shot to numb you for fixing a cavity or something I would assume (of course I'm not a guy and I understand this is a very sensitive part of the body so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that guys ). Me personally I'd rather than then major surgery.

My father-in-law was the one who said the shot went directly into the testicles. An article I read on a medical website alluded to the same thing, and as I'd never heard anyone counter that, I never questioned it. I'll look into it.

Honestly I'm not against it. However imho I feel you are not as informed as you could be and that you are ill-informed on the procedures of each. When you make comments like you have about shots in the testicles, or them being basically the same procedures, prostate cancer being proven, etc. concerns me that you very well may not be accurately informed on this. You completely missed my point in mentioning the weeks recovery time. You made a statement about how both procedures sound similar, when in reality they are not. A 24-48 hr recovery is drastically different than a week or more recovery. It should show someone the difference in how invasive one is when compared to the other that it requires so much more recovery from it than the other.

I already mentioned why I said what I said about the shot into the testicles. About the other comments, I was stating my OPINIONS. I see the vasectomy as not only painful for my husband(I have talked to many men who've gotten vasectomy's and they all said it was incredibly painful), but as something that would cause him to worry excessively. Hence, why I have decided that, when the time comes, I will be getting a tubal ligation. This decision is, at least, ten or so years away, I can guarantee that. At that time, I am SURE there will be PLENTY more info on both procedures. Please stop concerning yourself with this. I said it's not a big deal for THAT reason, as well as the fact that I am not scared or nervous at all at the thought of getting a tubal ligation, hence, not a big deal for me. My husband is terrified of the thought of a vasectomy, hence, big deal for him.

Yes it does, which is why my husband and I both sat down together and researched our options, prayed about them and made our decision together.

My husband and I have done the same.

I guess I just don't consider "major surgery" to be "not that big of a deal" when compared to a 20 min outpatient procedure. A Vasectomy, medically speaking, of the 2 is the one that is "not that big of a deal".

Uggh. For goodness sakes, a vasectomy is a big deal to me because it scares my husband. I have said this in nearly every post in this thread. I don't give a crap which one is faster "medically". My husbands emotional and mental well-being is far more important to me, and if by getting my tubes tied I can save him some trauma, I am more than happy to get my tubes tied! And, compared to the pain of getting an IUD and how long it took me to recover from that pain, a week of recovery from a tubal ligation sounds pretty awesome.

I tell you what, you have a few children (have 3, 4, 5 or so), au naturel, and we'll talk again about this part being bunk, k?

I honestly don't think my decision would change. For your info, the women who said that did NOT have natural child-birth. They used the drugs. I also don't intend to have a child naturally. Drugs for me, thank you. lol. And, even if I did have five kids naturally without drugs, if my husband was SCARED, I think it would be incredibly wrong of me to expect him to get a vasectomy.

Ok? Maybe she knew you weren't at the point yet of making a solid decision on either one. Typically a OBGYN will not advise someone on permanent forms of birth control if they're just looking to prevent. If she knew you were eventually wanting children, there would be no reason to really go into detail about either of these when you were looking for a suitable birth control at a time when you were simply preventing temporarily.

OR, maybe it really isn't worth all the hubub about the differences between the two? Like I said before, my birth control option had the highest risks when compared to all other. But financially it was better for us, as well as how effective it is. More risks, yes. But still the best decision for us.

I'm glad to hear that

Seriously, I really do appreciate the help, but please stop. I'm glad your decision worked for you. But I feel you are pivoted against tubal ligation with many different comments you said, plus I feel you've taken things I said out of context, and I do not appreciate either one. My husband and I don't want kids yet, aren't prepared to have kids yet, and have taken the necessary precautions to ensure we don't have kids yet. It's gonna be, at least, three years before we can start trying. Again, it'll be at least ten years until we start looking at sterilization. Things will change medically by then, and I am sure both procedures will be vastly different. So it doesn't really matter how it is now, as it doesn't effect us.

I don't mean any disrespect, but I am not as "ill-informed" as you think. You and I have talked to different people, doctors and read different information. For all we both know, we could BOTH be wrong. And I really don't care who's right. What I DO care about is your apparent side against tubal ligation, and attempt to make vasectomy's look better. They may be better for some, but not all. And as my husband doesn't like the idea of getting one, the decision isn't hard for me.