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Altered mind states are a fundamental desire of human beings, and some animals, both cats and Koala bears like to get high. The real issue is why are so many people threatened by the concept of cognitive liberty.jgarden said:Drugs are merely a means to an end. The real question is why so many people want to escape from the lives they're living. When illusion is preferable to reality - that's the real problem.![]()
419gam said:Altered mind states are a fundamental desire of human beings, and some animals, both cats and Koala bears like to get high. The real issue is why are so many people threatened by the concept of cognitive liberty.
a higher ratio of peopel die because of tobacco than does marijuana, plus pot makes you feel good, and christians are the only peopel ive ever heard complain about feeling good.Harlan Norris said:I can guarantee you that if you quit doing dope your life will change.You don't need it, nobody does.You are no different from anybody else.In time your drugs will become a serious burdon.It will be much harder to stop when that happens,if you can do it at all.
I smoked pot for 36 years.Initially it was fun.After a while though when it became habbit,it was burdonsom.Smoke a bowl and you experience a 30-45 minunite high,and for two hours after you go through various stages of paranoia,complete with headaches and muscle aches.Later you just feel drug out,tired,a little or a lot depressd.Great fun,no doubt.When drug testing came on the scene,I was compelled to quit,thank God.Many that I knew gave up their jobs for it.But I'd still smoke on vacation,when I had time to get clean before returning to work.It wasn't a particularly pleasent experience though.I felt like a fool.A grown man walking around stoned on pot.Also, I still didn't want my grown children to see me in that condition.I was a bad example and I knew it.That's addiction though,you will do your drug of choice no matter what,and say it's good,no matter what.To me it's not about what it does to your health it's about what it does to your life.Lignoba said:a higher ratio of peopel die because of tobacco than does marijuana, plus pot makes you feel good, and christians are the only peopel ive ever heard complain about feeling good.
Christians complain about feeling good? I can feel and good and have plenty of fun with out smoking pot. If I want to feel good Ill go outside and actually do something besides sitting on my but and getting high and then preceding to act like a retard. Almost all of my friends smoke pot, while I see nothing inherently wrong with it besides being against the law, I can have fun in ways that are much better. And theres also the fact that Ill remember having fun. Actually a real fun thing to do is when your freinds get high, stay sober, then mess with them. Its one of the funniest things you can do. I nearlly gave my freind a heart attack in the woods one night. He walked back to his car through the woods, I followed him, and then on his way back when he was almost to the camp site I sprinted up behind him, jumped in the air as I flew past him and made the creepiest sound I could. He collapsed and started screaming.Lignoba said:a higher ratio of peopel die because of tobacco than does marijuana, plus pot makes you feel good, and christians are the only peopel ive ever heard complain about feeling good.
Most of the dope smokers I have known including myself acted as if they already had alzheimers.Koz said:I found this and it is quite interesting
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=54967
legit article saying no link between pot and cancer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
pot may help alzhemir's
Harlan Norris said:Most of the dope smokers I have known including myself acted as if they already had alzheimers.
Harlan Norris said:Most of the dope smokers I have known including myself acted as if they already had alzheimers.
419gam said:Except that the short term memory loss asociated with smoking pot is only temporary and it goes away when one stops smoking.
Sure pot causes problems for some people, that is undeniable but ,many also use it without ill consequence. To me it seems the problem is with the individual, not the substance.
That's how it seems but that's not how it is.There are consequences for all that smoke dope.Of course when I was a regular user no one could have told me that.The truth is though, that it cuts one out of a lot of life.It separates one from opportunity.A lot of people I know gave up good jobs so they could keep smoking.The company would start testing and they would just quit.Others got caught and quit rather than go through rehab.Then there's the issue of children.Nobody I knew wanted their kids to know they were dopers,myself included.So, we'd sneak around trying to keep them from finding out.Frankly the last thing I wanted to see, was my children doing dope.That wouldve been a bad reflection on me and I knew it.If a man has a conscience,these things will bother him.419gam said:Except that the short term memory loss asociated with smoking pot is only temporary and it goes away when one stops smoking.
Sure pot causes problems for some people, that is undeniable but ,many also use it without ill consequence. To me it seems the problem is with the individual, not the substance.
Harlan Norris said:That's how it seems but that's not how it is.There are consequences for all that smoke dope.Of course when I was a regular user no one could have told me that.The truth is though, that it cuts one out of a lot of life.It separates one from opportunity.A lot of people I know gave up good jobs so they could keep smoking.The company would start testing and they would just quit.Others got caught and quit rather than go through rehab.Then there's the issue of children.Nobody I knew wanted their kids to know they were dopers,myself included.So, we'd sneak around trying to keep them from finding out.Frankly the last thing I wanted to see, was my children doing dope.That wouldve been a bad reflection on me and I knew it.If a man has a conscience,these things will bother him.
Like I said maybe the problem lies with the individual not with the drug. I am not sure what part of my post you are finding fault with, but the first part is a fact, the temporary memory loss is just that temporary. As for the second part just because you and your circle made bad choices involving pot doesn't that universal reality. You take the position that everyone who disagrees with you must be in pot's grip and will eventually come to your same conclusion. You seem to completely overlook the possibility of moderate consumption. Not everyone who uses pot is a "doper" or a stoner just like not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
Pot is decriminlized where I live which is California. Possesion of less then an ounce is not eligible for a prison or jail sentance although it is still subject to fines and confiscation. Being caught with pot is somewhat similar to being cited for a trafic violation.Rize said:What's the difference?
While it's true,everyone that drinks isn't an alchoholic.Drinking will not cut one out of the deal the way dope does.Look it's illegal,and you know it.Your breaking the law when you smoke.You may think you have it all under control.But, when you buy a bag, your taking a chance,and that chance is worth it to you.Why is that?Suppose you get caught with more than a misdemeanor amount.Then what.Will you tell the judge that you don't agree with the law,so you just don't follow it.Even a small amount will separate you from federal employment.I knew a guy that was trying to get on out at Rocky Flats,a nuke plant.He was also a pipefitter.I was working at a different place.An FBI agent came and questioned me about him.They asked about drugs.I knew he was clean at the time and I said he could take a drug test anytime,as an answer.Uh huh,she says.Well he didn't get the job,and he'd been sitting quite a while.So a casual user is really in just as much jepordy.But what the hay.It's worth it right.419gam said:Like I said maybe the problem lies with the individual not with the drug. I am not sure what part of my post you are finding fault with, but the first part is a fact, the temporary memory loss is just that temporary. As for the second part just because you and your circle made bad choices involving pot doesn't make that universal reality. You take the position that everyone who disagrees with you must be in pot's grip and will eventually come to your same conclusion. You seem to completely overlook the possibility of moderate consumption. Not everyone who uses pot is a "doper" or a stoner just like not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.