Smoking Pot

[Cerberus~]

While it's true that some laws are unjust,I have to disagree about drug laws.

Drug laws are some of the most unjust. The have no basis in public health, or reduced crime. Every drug law find it's basis in yellow journalism and government propaganda brainwashing a gullible public into thinking these drugs are pure evil, and mix that in with rampant racism and superstition, and you have our current drug laws.

These are laws that inspire and create far more crime than the drugs themselves would ever inspire.

Anyone who supports the drug war is supporting crime. You're supporting the gang banger that bash eachother to death over who's gonna sell coke on that street corner. You're supporting the drug cartels and people like Pablo Escabar. If we had never started the drug war, He'ld been just another poor peasent. We gave him the opportunity come to power and flood our country with drugs.

But pot is illegal isn't it.If I were not involved with drugs I wouldn't care if it was legal or not.Pot may have some medical uses,can't say for shure since I never used it for medicine.So, in the context of medicating a real condition,it's use may be valid.However the vast majority of those that post here are not using pot and other drugs for medication as perscribed by a physican.They are using it to get high,and avoid life.They are probably unaware of the depth of their involvement.So, I offered a challenge.Quit for a month.30 days.No big deal.If one doesn't have a problem with quitting then quitting for a month shouldn't be difficult.It will prove to those that smoke that they are not addicts.That alone will make it worthwhile.On the 31st day they can twist one up and celebrate.

There are 12 million pot smokers in America alone, lets not go generalizing all 12 million. I, and many other smoke pot to enhance your lives, not escape them.

Maybe that what you did drugs for, maybe that's why you regret it, because you did it for the wrong reasons. Again, why should I have to suffer because of your poor decisions?

As for a drug test, I don't have a job where I get drug tested. I don't need a job that drug tests. If you have a job like that, then find something different than pot to kick your high with. Simple.

To all you dope smokin dreamers,sorry,pots not going to be decriminalised.You see it's about money.The suppliers and the intradiction,depend on it being illegal for the fantastic living it provides.The dangers are worth it to all.It is the consumer that pays the supplier,and intradiction is paid for out of everyones pocket.

Exactly. Everyone's making money of pot except us. Everyone from the billionaire pharmeceutical companies to the murdering drug cartels to the goverment that bans it. Drug laws just serve to make the rich richer and put the poor in prison.

 

[invisible trousers]

To all you dope smokin dreamers,sorry,pots not going to be decriminalised.You see it's about money.The suppliers and the intradiction,depend on it being illegal for the fantastic living it provides.The dangers are worth it to all.It is the consumer that pays the supplier,and intradiction is paid for out of everyones pocket.The consumer also pays with their job if they get caught in a random drug test,which is required by the insureance carriers.Yes they are making money on dope too.Is even the thought of giving up your drug so distasteful?Is it really worth what it costs?Like I wrote, I've smoked a lot of dope.I think I can say with authority what it's effect is.It definately doesn't make one smarter.People say they aren't addicted to it.Ok,quit.Quit for a month.Go about your life as usual,but don't smoke ANY dope.That's 30 days.You can do that standing on your head,and who knows, you just might be clean when that random comes around.Let me know how it goes.

I have no need to "prove" to you that I'm not addicted. I also find it slightly ironic that the person here who is posting while high has managed to write posts which are significantly more cohesive and readable than your own.

With regards to the rest of the thread, it's same old half-baked prohibitionist theories. There's nothing new here to see.

 

[Harlan Norris]

Drug laws are some of the most unjust. The have no basis in public health, or reduced crime. Every drug law find it's basis in yellow journalism and government propaganda brainwashing a gullible public into thinking these drugs are pure evil, and mix that in with rampant racism and superstition, and you have our current drug laws.

These are laws that inspire and create far more crime than the drugs themselves would ever inspire.

Anyone who supports the drug war is supporting crime. You're supporting the gang banger that bash eachother to death over who's gonna sell coke on that street corner. You're supporting the drug cartels and people like Pablo Escabar. If we had never started the drug war, He'ld been just another poor peasent. We gave him the opportunity come to power and flood our country with drugs.



There are 12 million pot smokers in America alone, lets not go generalizing all 12 million. I, and many other smoke pot to enhance your lives, not escape them.

Maybe that what you did drugs for, maybe that's why you regret it, because you did it for the wrong reasons. Again, why should I have to suffer because of your poor decisions?

As for a drug test, I don't have a job where I get drug tested. I don't need a job that drug tests. If you have a job like that, then find something different than pot to kick your high with. Simple.



Exactly. Everyone's making money of pot except us. Everyone from the billionaire pharmeceutical companies to the murdering drug cartels to the goverment that bans it. Drug laws just serve to make the rich richer and put the poor in prison.

So, I take it you won't be accepting any 30 day challenge.My guess is, you know how far in you are, and you just don't care.Of course I understand the benefits to the consumer that legaization would provide.I'm just telling you it ain't gonna happen.Would quitting dope really cause you to suffer that much?Go ahead, give it a try.Quit for 30 days.You won't die,and it may open your eyes to some things you haven't considered for a while.If you can do it,you will see that life without dope is possible.If you can't,well that will teach you something also.

 

[Harlan Norris]

I have no need to "prove" to you that I'm not addicted. I also find it slightly ironic that the person here who is posting while high has managed to write posts which are significantly more cohesive and readable than your own.

With regards to the rest of the thread, it's same old half-baked prohibitionist theories. There's nothing new here to see.

It's not me were talking about.I have quit.Do you doubt that you can do it?What can it hurt?Common, give it a try,you might learn something.Whats a stinking 30 days in a mans life? It'll be an adventure.

 

[White Horse]

I will say it's rather hypocritcal to have alcohol legalized but not marijuanna. I believe alchohol can be much more destructive. Also, as some have mentioned, the whole move to make it illegal in the states was based on outright lies and fairy tales. It was absolutely ridiculous.

 

[invisible trousers]

It's not me were talking about.I have quit.Do you doubt that you can do it?What can it hurt?Common, give it a try,you might learn something.Whats a stinking 30 days in a mans life? It'll be an adventure.

Once again, I don't need to justify my actions to random people on the internet.

the door to hell can be easily found through drug use

Right. Is there any way you can show how consuming a plant God created would somehow open a door to hell? I want specific examples please, no vague "well uh SATAN!" stuff which christians try to use as evidence that drugs they don't like are bad.

Does this mean that other drugs can "open the door to hell", like anti-analgesics, cough medicine, anti-depressants, blood pressure medicine, insulin, opioids, etc? Or is it only drugs that you personally had a problem with?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Back to beating a dead horse time ...............

 

[psychedelicist]

But pot is illegal isn't it.If I were not involved with drugs I wouldn't care if it was legal or not.Pot may have some medical uses,can't say for shure since I never used it for medicine.So, in the context of medicating a real condition,it's use may be valid.However the vast majority of those that post here are not using pot and other drugs for medication as perscribed by a physican.They are using it to get high,and avoid life.They are probably unaware of the depth of their involvement.So, I offered a challenge.Quit for a month.30 days.No big deal.If one doesn't have a problem with quitting then quitting for a month shouldn't be difficult.It will prove to those that smoke that they are not addicts.That alone will make it worthwhile.On the 31st day they can twist one up and celebrate.

I just got off a 2 month complete sobriety gig, save for my prescription sleeping pills (melatonin). From about the end of september to early december, nothing. Turns out they drug test you from time to time in the navy DEP, but give advance warning (once every 3 months with our physical endurance tests to make sure we're fit enough). I stopped and the only side effects were a bit more money to spend and the occasional 'itch' feeling in the back of my throat, which happens when you stop smoking anything. Moreover, I stopped smoking cigarettes (used to have 2-3 a day), alcohol (a couple 40's every few days), and even stopped taking ephedrine (which I used to combat the waking drowsiness of my sleep medicine). Quitting the ephedrine was probably the worst since it's a pretty powerful stimulant, used to make amphetamines, but aside from REALLY not being a morning person, I noticed no effects of quitting, and no one else noticed any change in my behavior. This was after daily smoking for a good 5 months, not to mention all the other stuff I mentioned doing.

Also my family has a history of genetic brain cancer (glioblastia multiformes, extremely deadly), as well as glaucoma, so I'd say I'm pretty set for the future Not like I need an excuse to smoke, of course, but for all I know it could be keeping me from developing a tumor.

 

[psychedelicist]

Does this mean that other drugs can "open the door to hell", like anti-analgesics, cough medicine, anti-depressants, blood pressure medicine, insulin, opioids, etc? Or is it only drugs that you personally had a problem with?

I think what we're all failing to understand here is, there are tens, possibly hundreds of chemicals influencing us right now. We need 6 of them constantly in our system or else we die, and without most of them we'd go completely insane or comatose. Our mood is a constant serotonin addiction, if we don't get enough we start getting very angry or depressed. Not getting enough melatonin can cause headaches and extremely impaired mental functioning as well as severe insomnia. The list goes on. Life is one huge drug trip and we don't even realize it. Our very perception of reality is dependent on these drugs in our system yet we condemn exogenous chemicals for altering our mood. Often the chemicals our brain produces are many times more mood altering than any drug we might take.

Perhaps it is that exogenous chemicals are bad because they add to the already huge list of drugs influencing us. If that is so, would it be moral/immoral for me to consume 5-OH-DMT? It's an extremely powerful psychedelic hallucinogen, but it's also present in our system. Would serotonin pills be immoral? Anandimide (an endogenous cannibinoid)? Where is the line drawn?

 

[Harlan Norris]

I just got off a 2 month complete sobriety gig, save for my prescription sleeping pills (melatonin). From about the end of september to early december, nothing. Turns out they drug test you from time to time in the navy DEP, but give advance warning (once every 3 months with our physical endurance tests to make sure we're fit enough). I stopped and the only side effects were a bit more money to spend and the occasional 'itch' feeling in the back of my throat, which happens when you stop smoking anything. Moreover, I stopped smoking cigarettes (used to have 2-3 a day), alcohol (a couple 40's every few days), and even stopped taking ephedrine (which I used to combat the waking drowsiness of my sleep medicine). Quitting the ephedrine was probably the worst since it's a pretty powerful stimulant, used to make amphetamines, but aside from REALLY not being a morning person, I noticed no effects of quitting, and no one else noticed any change in my behavior. This was after daily smoking for a good 5 months, not to mention all the other stuff I mentioned doing.

Also my family has a history of genetic brain cancer (glioblastia multiformes, extremely deadly), as well as glaucoma, so I'd say I'm pretty set for the future Not like I need an excuse to smoke, of course, but for all I know it could be keeping me from developing a tumor.

That's quite a theory.You sound a lot like me when I was your age.I know you don't believe it but the dope's not helping.Since you can quit now I strongly advise you do so.You are already a fairly heavy user.It will never be easier,and you will eventually have to quit.

 

[psychedelicist]

That's quite a theory.You sound a lot like me when I was your age.I know you don't believe it but the dope's not helping.Since you can quit now I strongly advise you do so.You are already a fairly heavy user.It will never be easier,and you will eventually have to quit.

Like I said, it's not like I need to use that excuse to smoke. If I can use it daily for 5 months then stop completely for 2 months, I have a feeling it's not that addicting. Especially considering a former (back when I was 15) addiction to opiates, I can safely say that weed is not addicting, and a result of my quitting opiates is that I tend not to develop psychological addictions either- a side effect of the ibogaine therapy. And yes, in 6 or 7 months I'll have to quit when I go into the navy, but if quitting had absolutely no effects the first time, why would it be any different the second time around?

 

[psychedelicist]

Unfortunately it looks like the point I really wanted to debate (my post, 89) was ignored or looked over. It's more the one I wanted to converse about.

 

[Brennin]

Is it moral and ethical? Should it be legalized?

A related question: What about firing up a kiln?

 

[jgarden]

Drugs are merely a means to an end. The real question is why so many people want to escape from the lives they're living. When illusion is preferable to reality - that's the real problem.

 

[Harlan Norris]

There's more truth to that than you think.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2587.html




Yes, I know exactly how far I'm in and I know I'm just fine. Drugs work for me. They elevate me to a higher plane. You think sobriety is the penacle of our existence? How do you even define sober? How do define medicinal use? A glass of wine a day is healthy for you, well, it's quite possible that THC is beneficial as well.



Not with that attitude. You might be willing to lie down and let the government continue a war that railroads everyday Americans, destroys lives and create crime, but I'm not.



No, but it wouldn't benefit me in any way. I would enjoy parties less. I would enjoy my time less. I would miss the way I think when I'm high. I have no need to quit pot for 30 days, and you haveas much business telling me I should stop as I have telling you that you should smoke everyday for a month. You don't like it because you don't know how to use it, fair enough. I do know how to use it, so I don't need to quit.



Douptful, when I'm high, I think outside the box. I prefer that to thinking in the box. That gets you nowhere.



Yes, but life with pot is so much better.

That's about what I thought you'd say.You are an addict,no doubt about it.Do you have children?

 

[Harlan Norris]

Like I said, it's not like I need to use that excuse to smoke. If I can use it daily for 5 months then stop completely for 2 months, I have a feeling it's not that addicting. Especially considering a former (back when I was 15) addiction to opiates, I can safely say that weed is not addicting, and a result of my quitting opiates is that I tend not to develop psychological addictions either- a side effect of the ibogaine therapy. And yes, in 6 or 7 months I'll have to quit when I go into the navy, but if quitting had absolutely no effects the first time, why would it be any different the second time around?

I can guarantee you that if you quit doing dope your life will change.You don't need it, nobody does.You are no different from anybody else.In time your drugs will become a serious burdon.It will be much harder to stop when that happens,if you can do it at all.

 

[RenHoek]

Anyone ever go to church high? Not I. But why?

 

[psychedelicist]

Drugs are merely a means to an end. The real question is why so many people want to escape from the lives they're living. When illusion is preferable to reality - that's the real problem.

Except that if I have a problem, and I get high, I usually end up thinking about that problem till I can figure out a solution. I tend to run away from my problems more when I'm sober or drunk, when I'm high I focus more on the problem and the solution.

I can guarantee you that if you quit doing dope your life will change.You don't need it, nobody does.You are no different from anybody else.In time your drugs will become a serious burdon.It will be much harder to stop when that happens,if you can do it at all.

This was kind of interesting at first but now it's getting old. It's obvious what I'm saying has no effect on you. You're determined to lump all of us potsmokers into the same category- pathetic, unmotivated, "I don't want it but I'm addicted" addicts. If that's what you want, fine. Don't expect me to continue to hold a conversation with someone who's going to ignore everything I've explained and experienced.

ETA: If you're going to continue to debate, I'd much rather debate my quote below than my personal experiences:

I think what we're all failing to understand here is, there are tens, possibly hundreds of chemicals influencing us right now. We need 6 of them constantly in our system or else we die, and without most of them we'd go completely insane or comatose. Our mood is a constant serotonin addiction, if we don't get enough we start getting very angry or depressed. Not getting enough melatonin can cause headaches and extremely impaired mental functioning as well as severe insomnia. The list goes on. Life is one huge drug trip and we don't even realize it. Our very perception of reality is dependent on these drugs in our system yet we condemn exogenous chemicals for altering our mood. Often the chemicals our brain produces are many times more mood altering than any drug we might take.

Perhaps it is that exogenous chemicals are bad because they add to the already huge list of drugs influencing us. If that is so, would it be moral/immoral for me to consume 5-OH-DMT? It's an extremely powerful psychedelic hallucinogen, but it's also present in our system. Would serotonin pills be immoral? Anandimide (an endogenous cannibinoid)? Where is the line drawn?

 

[xAtheistx]

Marijuana does not cause cancer. Marijuana does not kill people. So yes, go to the AMA, national lung association or whatever, and show me where they say pot causes cancer.

What they'll say is, it might cause cancer, because they don't know. But marijuana is not carcenogenic, is not pumped with tons of chemicals like tabacco, and can be consumed without actually smoking the plant.

Even if it did cause cancer, you can drink pot, you can eat it, you can vapourize it making the issue completely null and void.

Are you kidding? There are studies out that SHOWERING causes cancer. Everything causes cancer >.<

Showering could cause cancer:
http://www.energels.com/HiddenDangers.htm
http://www.drweilselfhealing.com/print_friendly.asp?iDocumentID=287&iBDC=3444
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts19.html
http://www.ionizers.org/shower-risks.html
http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/news/cancer/0502/shower.shtml

...

And because the million other sites that I find on pot related to cancer probably wouldn't be good enough for you, a direct quote from AMA: "chronic marijuana smoking is associated with lung damage, increased symptoms of chronic bronchitis, and possibly increased risk of lung cancer."

Yes, it throws the word "possibly" in there.
You could possibly die from flipping over in a moving vehicle. That doesn't mean it's a smart idea to test and see if it proves true in your case.

Edit: Yes, this is limited to smoking it. But a couple centuries ago, they thought the world was flat. They were wrong. A couple decades ago, the chairman of IBM thought "there is a world market for maybe five computers." He was wrong. Even today, people follow religions. I need say nothing more about how ridiculous people can be.

So you win. We aren't certain marijuana can kill you in as many ways as we are tobacco is. Keep in mind, we started researching the harmful effects of tobacco decades ago. Since I'm sure you're more knowledgable than myself on the subject, would you care to provide the date that we started reseraching the harmful effects of marijuana?

 

[cobaltburrito]

The benefical aspects of it outweigh the harmful attributes of it. Just like barbeque.