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Smoke Cigs/Dip A Sin?
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
no matter how many times you repeat the same thing, it doesn't change the fact that you are running away from the evidence I challenged you with.
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
and yet, you still won't deal with the evidence. I've been through enough grievances to know when someone is being insincere.
Are you my Christian brother?
Are you my Christian brother?
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Michaelismyname
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A new reply to a new question( too your new question) .i inquired of the holy Spirit . He said no. I am not being insincere.
Just go and reply to the OP now .. is smoking a sin ?
but then is living after the flesh sin?
is carnality a sin?
is wantonness a sin?
The Holy Spirit convicts me of such things and asks me to stop doing them - by the grace of God and the power of the Hoply Spirit working tirelessly within me i am enabled to obey .
thus i shall continue to advice others to do like wise .
hence -on that topic :
the summary of all i have said and the only reply i will now give.
i said
smoking is a sin - in that it is missing the mark(the meaning of the word sin is "to miss the mark " and that it is Self gratification of the flesh . no one has been judged.
and i wont advice anyone in any other way, for if i err i will err in guiding people away from an addictive habit that gratifies the flesh to their harm . it is important to maintain a clarity of message rather then an uncertain trumpet sound . and i would rather err in guiding them away then err in causing them to stumble - for it would be better if a millstone were hung about my neck if i spoke in a manner that causes another to stumble into sin and be then bound .
end .
sometimes folk just see the same card from differing angles .
Go in peace -you are a wonderfully amazing passionate person .
God bless you
Just go and reply to the OP now .. is smoking a sin ?
but then is living after the flesh sin?
is carnality a sin?
is wantonness a sin?
The Holy Spirit convicts me of such things and asks me to stop doing them - by the grace of God and the power of the Hoply Spirit working tirelessly within me i am enabled to obey .
thus i shall continue to advice others to do like wise .
hence -on that topic :
the summary of all i have said and the only reply i will now give.
i said
smoking is a sin - in that it is missing the mark(the meaning of the word sin is "to miss the mark " and that it is Self gratification of the flesh . no one has been judged.
and i wont advice anyone in any other way, for if i err i will err in guiding people away from an addictive habit that gratifies the flesh to their harm . it is important to maintain a clarity of message rather then an uncertain trumpet sound . and i would rather err in guiding them away then err in causing them to stumble - for it would be better if a millstone were hung about my neck if i spoke in a manner that causes another to stumble into sin and be then bound .
end .
sometimes folk just see the same card from differing angles .
Go in peace -you are a wonderfully amazing passionate person .
God bless you
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
I'm not against the idea of the holy spirit guiding you, but I do have to ask myself, why would the holy spirit guide you to ignore evidence about your behavior on this thread?
see, you're still posting as though you are the only one posting. What about the evidence I presented challenging your position?
see, you're still posting as though you are the only one posting. What about the evidence I presented challenging your position?
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Michaelismyname
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Norah63
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The OP asked if smoking or dipping was a sin. Anything that is not of faith is a sin.
As someone else said, pray and ask your Heavenly Father if smoking is a sin.
Learn to communicate with the one who loves you most. if you are sincere , you will get an answer.
The rest of us just give you the best advice we can.
And some just want an argument, because they can't abide another person's point of view. The Scripture that comes to mind is 2cor 10;12 'Comparing themselves , among themselves they are not wise'. We can all fall into that trap from time to time on these forums. Not so much if we are christians, as we are growing from grace to grace.
As someone else said, pray and ask your Heavenly Father if smoking is a sin.
Learn to communicate with the one who loves you most. if you are sincere , you will get an answer.
The rest of us just give you the best advice we can.
And some just want an argument, because they can't abide another person's point of view. The Scripture that comes to mind is 2cor 10;12 'Comparing themselves , among themselves they are not wise'. We can all fall into that trap from time to time on these forums. Not so much if we are christians, as we are growing from grace to grace.
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
it's not a circular argument when someone deliberately ignores legitimate evidence, Michael.
However, something Norah said made me want to go back and look at where it was that things went wrong between us.
You said something about how even food outside of the basic necessities could be sinful. I asked you to clarify your point and this is what you said
post #33)this was my response to that post(post #34):
Can you see that we were in agreement at this time? We both expressed that it was up to the Holy Spirit to decide what's best for the individual.
At some point along the way I even said that I am against smoking, as a health rule in general. I don't see a problem with recreational smoking (like someone smoking a cigar or a pipe in a social setting), but I would definitely encourage a ciggy smoker to stop, not because it is a sin to smoke in general, but because it's expensive, usually offensive to others in the general area, and just plain unhealthy for the body.
In that same post (#34), I followed up my comment with this:
So what went wrong, Michael?
Immediately following that exchange between us sunny got stuck into me and we had several rounds, much like what you and I are doing now, because he simply could not see past smoking in general being a sin in any circumstance or context.
Then you jumped in, saying that I should forgive him and that it was concerning that I was responding to his arguments point by point. What happened to the agreement we shared earlier? I don't think I changed my arguments.
I even said that it would be better to say that smoking CAN be a sin, but it seems after watching my debate with sunny, your position hardened and was no longer consistent with your earlier statement about how neither eating nor smoking was a rule or law in itself, was but dependent on direction from the holy spirit.
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Michaelismyname
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
even if a hundred people conspire with you, Michael, you are still ignoring the evidence.
You make comments which give you the appearance of humility and holiness, but when it comes to dealing with actually resolving the issues, you ignore the evidence.
Here is some evidence:
If you really believed that, you wouldn't be ignoring the evidence I'm presenting to you. You've put yourself into a situation where it's become an issue of pride smashing, where, in order to fix the problem, you have to actually deal with the problem.
Unfortunately, it appears your religious pride is too strong for evidence or reason.
You make comments which give you the appearance of humility and holiness, but when it comes to dealing with actually resolving the issues, you ignore the evidence.
Here is some evidence:
If you really believed that, you wouldn't be ignoring the evidence I'm presenting to you. You've put yourself into a situation where it's become an issue of pride smashing, where, in order to fix the problem, you have to actually deal with the problem.
Unfortunately, it appears your religious pride is too strong for evidence or reason.
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Michaelismyname
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Formal request.
please cease now - no one has conspired with any one about anything .it is unfair to imply accusation on other members.
we disagree, I accept that.
We have reached an impasse of communication on the topic .
let us a agree to disagree .
and stop.
God bless you
you are a wonderful amazing and passionate person
continue in the peace of the lord Jesus.
please cease now - no one has conspired with any one about anything .it is unfair to imply accusation on other members.
we disagree, I accept that.
We have reached an impasse of communication on the topic .
let us a agree to disagree .
and stop.
God bless you
you are a wonderful amazing and passionate person
continue in the peace of the lord Jesus.
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
And yet, you not only accused me of misrepresenting you, but you stated it as a fact.
When I showed evidence to the contrary, you ignored it, and you are still ignoring at this very moment.
Religious pride, Michael. It's not about "winning" as you've so insincerely accused me of doing.
Just look at your own words and behavior, Michael. That's what I'm asking you to do. Look, Michael. Open your eyes. Snap out of it! EVIDENCE, Michael. Your words, right there on the screen. I've asked you to deal with them many times now, but you won't.
I even took the time to go back to those posts where we obviously agreed and tried to figure out where the disagreement came from. Any casual study of the evidence will show that MY position has not changed ONE TINY BIT.
And yet, we obviously agreed at one point That is a FACT which the evidence shows. I quoted it for you. Your own words, Micheal.
And yet, look at our communication now. You very blatantly ignore all my attempts to deal with the tension between us with "sweet talk". To me all that sweet talk just looks so insincere and petty, because I can see quite plainly that it's an attempt to hide our disagreement rather than deal with it as Christian brothers.
Something is obviously very, very wrong in this situation. Sweeping it under the carpet with platitudes about God's love won't fix the problem.
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I think now is a good time for those participating in this thread to start with a clean slate with each other and move on.
Wrongs have been made and hopefully corrected.
MOD HAT OFF
CONTINUE
but on TOPIC
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I think now is a good time for those participating in this thread to start with a clean slate with each other and move on.
Wrongs have been made and hopefully corrected.
MOD HAT OFF
CONTINUE
but on TOPIC
please!
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candle glow
whatever I want to be
I still feel this paragraph comes closest to my own understanding of the issue. It allows for smoking to be a sin or not a sin, depending on the guidance of the holy spirit and not our judgment of the outward appearance.
You talk about addiction, but perhaps part of the problem in our communication is that I feel "addiction" goes beyond the original question of whether smoking is a sin or not, whereas you feel it is integral.
Another poster previously commented that he smokes casually (i.e. it's not an addiction for him). I know there are people who smoke cigars and pipe tobacco as a recreational hobby or social activity. In those situations "addiction" does not necessarily apply, and yet the smoking is still present.
Using "addiction" as criteria for claiming that smoking is a sin is limited and not able to cover all instances of smoking, in general.
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