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Six-thousand year timeline from Adam rather than from creation ~ split from CA

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the six thousand year timeline traces man from Adam forward. It has nada to do with the age of the heavens or the earth. If it did then the angels also would be 6 thousand years old as would the dinosaurs and that still does not answer how light from stars billions of light years away are only 6 thousand years old.
 

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the six thousand year timeline traces man from Adam forward. It has nada to do with the age of the heavens or the earth. If it did then the angels also would be 6 thousand years old as would the dinosaurs and that still does not answer how light from stars billions of light years away are only 6 thousand years old.


I don't understand.....what are you getting at?
 
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Originally Posted by HypoTypoSis
the six thousand year timeline traces man from Adam forward. It has nada to do with the age of the heavens or the earth. If it did then the angels also would be 6 thousand years old as would the dinosaurs and that still does not answer how light from stars billions of light years away are only 6 thousand years old.

I don't understand.....what are you getting at?

  1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
  2. At some unknown point in time later He created man.
  3. The six thousand year timeline begins with Adam and comes up to 2008.
 
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Interesting, please tell me more.
The geneologies given in the Old and New Testaments bring the timeline from Adam to Jesus. From there it has easily been figured from there to present by many scholars. The timeline from Adam to present does not, of necessity, appear to be in conflict with other views but only becomes an issue when prehistoric relics predating the Adamic timeframe are brought into the equation which brings us to the second issue.

The second issue in dispute, however, is the length of time from when God first said, 'Let there be...' to the time He created Adam. The scientific evidences surrounding the existence of Pleochroic Halos would suggest that the cosmos (earth included) was created instantaneously at the same moment in time. However, this is not without the problem in that it doesnot explain how, if, indeed, everything was created all at once, say, six thousand years ago plus one (creation) week the light from stars billions of light years away have, in that short six thousand years, managed to already reach earth.

Satan was and still is (for now) the most powerful being ever created; Jesus being excluded from this equation as He has always been a part of The Godhead which always has been without beginning or end. Nothing in Scripture specifically speaks to nor excludes the possibility that, at any time, he had even limited creative capabilities; anything in this regard must be considered when weighing Scripture with scientific fact.

God is perfect and anything and everything He has ever done is and always has always been perfect and good, only the aftermath of sin has caused His efforts to be despoiled. God and His scriptures do not lie, therefore, the answers must lie, agreeably, somewhere in between the scriptures and the scientific and archeological evidences found today.

Scientifically speaking, light does not a day make without the revolving of the earth around the sun and, yet, the sun and the moon were not created until the fourth day. That being the case, we must take a closer look between "In the Beginning..." and the fourth day.

If everything God does is right the first time then something happened in between Genesis 1:1 when God perfectly created the heaven and the earth and Genesis 1:2 when everything became tohu va bohu (chaotic and confused) i.e. without form and void. Enter the Gap Theory.

I find considerable merit in the reasoning of Christian physicist, Lambert Dolphin, when he posits that when Satan rebelled all of the cosmic creation was damaged by sin, thus we see the winding down of the universe, climactic and climatic upheavals, etc; also, there is scriptural merit in the fact that when Adam sinned all of the natural order of creation was damaged by sin as well and is evidenced in sin, sickness and death.

Therre are, literally, countless references between Genesis and Revelation involving the numerous eruptions past and future of Satan's Nephilm; these could very easily explain much of the otherwise unexplainable archeological evidences humanism's evolutionary scientists hve to date only been able to posit as unmerited missing l;inks to the human chain predating Adam.

This, when taken in tandem with relics such as dinosaur remains, brings us to the indeterminate period of time in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2; if Satan did possess some limited creative abilities then his rebellion could very well have gone from merely sinful thinking in his heart those infamous words, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will be like the most High" to one of actual sinful rebellious actions which could easily have been the impetus needed to persuade the one third of the heavenly host to follow him.

It would appear that Satan, the most powerfully created being designed as guardian and protector of The Throne itself became jealous when it was discovered than "lowly' mortal man was to be created to rule over all, himself included, and not he and, which, then, necessitated a recreation supplanting Satan's earlier creative attempts.

This may or may not be an accurate rendering of what could have transpired; at the very least, it does offer to lay to rest many of the hithertofore contradictions presently existent between the scriptures and the scientific evidences and its archeological record.

The scary part in all of this is the issue of the future release of the fallen angels temporarilly locked in chains of everlasting darkness that spawned the Nephilim and that will in the end times be released to once again spawn anew. Combined with modern day cloping knowledge which seems inconceivable to possess the ability to impart God's breath of life to create a living soul then the trapped in the earthly realm demonic spirits of the previously dead nephilim (referred to as demons) then there does exist life forces for those clones as well as new Nephilim that the scriptures seem to infer are irresistable to mankind's fairer half.

I find it unlikely than the full power and numbers of The Lord's Army would be needed to quell a worldwide Armageddon involving a battling of the world's military forces but the sudden spread and destructive might of the Nephilim and their progenitors, the fallen angels, would be a might the world's collective armed forces would be incapable of coming against and would, indeed, require the help of the Army of God.
 
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The geneologies given in the Old and New Testaments bring the timeline from Adam to Jesus. From there it has easily been figured from there to present by many scholars. The timeline from Adam to present does not, of necessity, appear to be in conflict with other views but only becomes an issue when prehistoric relics predating the Adamic timeframe are brought into the equation which brings us to the second issue.

The second issue in dispute, however, is the length of time from when God first said, 'Let there be...' to the time He created Adam. The scientific evidences surrounding the existence of Pleochroic Halos would suggest that the cosmos (earth included) was created instantaneously at the same moment in time. However, this is not without the problem in that it doesnot explain how, if, indeed, everything was created all at once, say, six thousand years ago plus one (creation) week the light from stars billions of light years away have, in that short six thousand years, managed to already reach earth.

Satan was and still is (for now) the most powerful being ever created; Jesus being excluded from this equation as He has always been a part of The Godhead which always has been without beginning or end. Nothing in Scripture specifically speaks to nor excludes the possibility that, at any time, he had even limited creative capabilities; anything in this regard must be considered when weighing Scripture with scientific fact.

God is perfect and anything and everything He has ever done is and always has always been perfect and good, only the aftermath of sin has caused His efforts to be despoiled. God and His scriptures do not lie, therefore, the answers must lie, agreeably, somewhere in between the scriptures and the scientific and archeological evidences found today.

Scientifically speaking, light does not a day make without the revolving of the earth around the sun and, yet, the sun and the moon were not created until the fourth day. That being the case, we must take a closer look between "In the Beginning..." and the fourth day.

If everything God does is right the first time then something happened in between Genesis 1:1 when God perfectly created the heaven and the earth and Genesis 1:2 when everything became tohu va bohu (chaotic and confused) i.e. without form and void. Enter the Gap Theory.

I find considerable merit in the reasoning of Christian physicist, Lambert Dolphin, when he posits that when Satan rebelled all of the cosmic creation was damaged by sin, thus we see the winding down of the universe, climactic and climatic upheavals, etc; also, there is scriptural merit in the fact that when Adam sinned all of the natural order of creation was damaged by sin as well and is evidenced in sin, sickness and death.

Therre are, literally, countless references between Genesis and Revelation involving the numerous eruptions past and future of Satan's Nephilm; these could very easily explain much of the otherwise unexplainable archeological evidences humanism's evolutionary scientists hve to date only been able to posit as unmerited missing l;inks to the human chain predating Adam.

This, when taken in tandem with relics such as dinosaur remains, brings us to the indeterminate period of time in between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2; if Satan did possess some limited creative abilities then his rebellion could very well have gone from merely sinful thinking in his heart those infamous words, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will be like the most High" to one of actual sinful rebellious actions which could easily have been the impetus needed to persuade the one third of the heavenly host to follow him.

It would appear that Satan, the most powerfully created being designed as guardian and protector of The Throne itself became jealous when it was discovered than "lowly' mortal man was to be created to rule over all, himself included, and not he and, which, then, necessitated a recreation supplanting Satan's earlier creative attempts.

This may or may not be an accurate rendering of what could have transpired; at the very least, it does offer to lay to rest many of the hithertofore contradictions presently existent between the scriptures and the scientific evidences and its archeological record.

The scary part in all of this is the issue of the future release of the fallen angels temporarilly locked in chains of everlasting darkness that spawned the Nephilim and that will in the end times be released to once again spawn anew. Combined with modern day cloping knowledge which seems inconceivable to possess the ability to impart God's breath of life to create a living soul then the trapped in the earthly realm demonic spirits of the previously dead nephilim (referred to as demons) then there does exist life forces for those clones as well as new Nephilim that the scriptures seem to infer are irresistable to mankind's fairer half.

I find it unlikely than the full power and numbers of The Lord's Army would be needed to quell a worldwide Armageddon involving a battling of the world's military forces but the sudden spread and destructive might of the Nephilim and their progenitors, the fallen angels, would be a might the world's collective armed forces would be incapable of coming against and would, indeed, require the help of the Army of God.
Completely off-topic here.
 
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Completely off-topic here.
But interesting.

Reminds me of this story:

In the beginning was God. God is an eternal being—the One and only Being of all eternity. You are limited in your understanding to the physical plane. You cannot begin to understand the great depth of such knowledge that is spiritual in nature. No one can. God reveals that all knowledge, all understanding, all wisdom, and all thought are from Him. In His Being, in His Wisdom, in His Word (Greek – “logos” – revelatory thought—which is the product of His Divine thinking), Almighty God determined to create that which did not exist. He set in motion a plan that would carry forward into eternity. He predetermined how His plan should be fulfilled. Prophecy given to mankind is simply the revelation of God’s plan and how it will unfold in actual events. From the beginning, God was alone; but He was going to change this through a plan He would fulfill, in great patience, over millions of years. This plan began with the angelic creation. God created angelic beings to share in this plan and to serve Him in carrying it out. These beings were created out of spirit, and they are spirit. God desired to share with the angelicrealm His plan of much greater things to follow. God did not choose to make the angels like spiritual robots to function as programmed. Instead, God created the angels with the capability of free, individual thought. They were created as individual, free moral agents who could make choices and express individual personality through those choices. This meant that they could choose not to follow God. They could choose their own way, living apart from what God told them was the only true way of life. This is a consequence of creating such beings. There is no other way to give life to beings who are capable of having “free choice” and complete individuality. Mankind also is created with, the ability of free choice. God knew that not all of the angelic creation would choose to live His way, which is the one and only true way capable of producing eternal peace—life that is happy, fulfilling, rewarding, and genuinely exciting. The knowledge of this phase of God’s creation shows the great wisdom in why man was created physical and why man was created after the angelic realm.

The Angelic Realm

Multiple millions of angels were created. God does not give the exact number, but He does reveal that He created three angels who were superior to the rest in importance, might, beauty, authority, and power. These three are referred to by name: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer. In time, after the angelic creation, God began to create the physical universe. Up to this point in time, only the spirit realm existed. The creation of the universe was exciting to the angelic family of God. God said that, upon seeing what He was creating, the sons of God (angelic realm) shouted for joy. God said He created every thing in the universe in beauty and perfection. In time, God began to reveal more of His plan and purpose for the physical creation. God revealed to the angels that of all His physical creation (the universe), His plan would be focused upon the earth. God placed Lucifer on the earth, along with much of the angelic realm, to prepare for future events that He had predetermined long before. Lucifer was placed in authority over the angels on earth, and they were to carry out preparations for even greater events in God’s overall plan. God revealed to the angelic realm that He was going to create mankind and that the creation of mankind would lead to the ultimate purpose of all His creation. Mankind was going to be created with the potential of becoming far greater than the angels. God revealed to the angels that they would share in the joy of what He would create through mankind. The angelic realm was shown that they were created to share and help in this greater purpose of all creation. Lucifer did not like what God revealed. He became lifted up in pride and his own reasoning. He chose to believe that God’s way was not best, but that his own way was better. In his own perverted thinking, he rejected the knowledge of God and began to believe that his own way was so much better. He actually became deceived into believing that he could rise up against God and take over all rule of the physical and spiritual realm, making God subservient to him. Over time, Lucifer planned and plotted. He began to spread his disdain for God’s plan to other angels. As astounding as it is, a third of the angelic realm sided with him in a horrific rebellion against God. Lucifer would learn that he was puny before God, and indeed, God is Almighty! The rebellion originated from earth. Lucifer planned to destroy the earth because he so hated God’s plan, which was to be fulfilled here. Lucifer planned on ascending to God’s throne and rule in God’s stead. The solar system of our sun and the earth changed dramatically on the day of this rebellion. God tells us that, at this point, the earth became waste and uninhabitable, as all life on it was destroyed. The earth was toppled from its perfect orbit, and the atmosphere was filled with total blackness from the debris. A type of nuclear winter engulfed the entire earth in an immediate moment in time. Even the moon and Mars were littered by the debris from this massive and explosive attack on God’s physical creation. Although God limited Lucifer’s attempt to destroy the earth and this solar system, He left the evidence of this attack for all to see—in time. The asteroid belt did not exist before this rebellion. God stopped the destruction of the solar system, and the debris was confined to this one region—not beyond. From this time forward, Lucifer became known as Satan, the first great adversary of God. Satan chose to rebel against God and make himself an adversary of God and His plan and purpose. The angels, who rebelled with Satan, became known as demons. God knew that some of the angels (having free moral agency) would, in time, rebel against Him and go their own way. Any way that opposes God’s perfect way will lead to chaos, confusion, suffering, and every way that is evil. Turning from God’s way of thinking results in pride, vanity and deep selfishness that is inward in nature and filled with the way of “get,” while God’s perfect way is the way of “give.” In all this, God knew the outcome! It was all part of His awesome and perfect plan that would continue forward, just as He had predetermined millions of years before. Holy righteous character cannot be created in any being who is given independent thought and personage. The way one lives life is always a matter of choice. Although God knew there would be an angelic rebellion, the choice of how to live was, nevertheless, theirs to make. Those angels couldn’t blame anyone else for their choices. God taught the angels that there was only one true way to live life. He also taught them that choosing any other way of life would produce automatic penalties. Those angels who chose to live God’s way have shared in the joy of what God is working out in His plan for His creation. Those who have refused God’s way and followed some other way have lived in futility—unfulfilled and never satisfied. Lucifer and the demons who followed him are “set” in their ways. From the beginning of their disobedience, since they are spirit in composition and thought, they “set” themselves against God.
 
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The earth was toppled from its perfect orbit, and the atmosphere was filled with total blackness from the debris. A type of nuclear winter engulfed the entire earth in an immediate moment in time. Even the moon and Mars were littered by the debris from this massive and explosive attack on God’s physical creation.

The asteroid belt did not exist before this rebellion. God stopped the destruction of the solar system, and the debris was confined to this one region—not beyond.

The angels, who rebelled with Satan, became known as demons.

On the whole, how surprisingly and remarkably similar and, if I might add, refreshing to boot! Thank you!
  • I am unaware of any passages that would affirm the author's supposition regarding the solar system, though I certainly would not discount the possibility as it is inconceivable that God would create the remains of a broken up planet (the Asteroid Belt);
  • fwi, the term 'nuclear winter' would appear to contemporarilly date the writing itself.
As to the statement (which I have placed in italics) regarding what demons are I must incline to disagree with.
  • Evil angels, as I understand it, since the end of the period of their spawning of the Nephilim, are presently confined to being locked in chains of everlasting darkness until the time of the end when they are briefly released to once again attempt to pick up where they off and, for now, at least, are thus incapable of possessing any of the natural order of creation.
  • Demons, on the other hand and as I understand scripture, are the ethereal remains of the Nephilim and are capable of possessing the natural order of creation. The story of the demoniac and the herd of 200 swine would seem to affirm this in that, unless they were previously of fleshy substance, they would not have found being without such such a painful experience and, resultantly and as a less than ideal alternative, instead, welcomed any kind of fleshy host. The only, and unforeseen consequence to them, was that the pigs could not handle the situation and went mad and they wound up, anyway and afterall, lost to this physical realm, as the Jewish mythologies and the demoniac passage infer, leaving them trapped in some sort of spiritual realm on the earth but separated from the heavenly realm as they were not of that realm as were their progenitors, the fallen angels.
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.

Perhaps there is some truth to the old adage mentioned in song by Johnny Cash, "...and pigs can see the wind...", perhaps the non-human portion of creation's natural order can see, good and evil, spirits. ;)
 
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