Six Day Creation? No Way!

[Marvin Knox]

We are living in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and LAST millennium, the Millennium of Christ, and the Millennium of Truth, and the Millennium of Judgment, and the Millennium of Vengeance, the seventh and LAST millennium or the seventh and LAST Day of the week of God, so everything that is of the Devil which he offered to JESUS (Mat.4:8to112), yea, all things of the world of Devil will be destroyed and will fall as in an implosion. All structures of the satanic's kingdoms of the world like political, religious, economic, military, social, cultural, will be annhilated. The peoples were warned: when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, … and they will not escape. Will be this powerful world of Devil run more ten years with all its powerful structures? Much much probably not, this is the reason I am emphasizing with another colour this phrase. Are the mankind ready? I see they are not. I repeat, We are living in the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and LAST Day of the week of God, in the time of Apocalypse, the four riders showed in Revelation 6 are being released and they are moving themselves in the earth, One is of the Lord and three are of the Devil. The most important thing now is to identify who they are, the four horsemen of Apocalypse. I must say peremptorily that One of them is from the Lord, the rider of the white horse (Rev.19:11to21 and 16:13to21) and three are agents of the Devil, a satanic trinity. (Rev.16:13-14)

The Bible says: Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. (1John2:15-17)

Be ready, be prepared. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Where you comin' from, Spider Man?

 

[miamited]

In the "Beginning" God created Heaven and Earth. 'The beginning' didn't start till the second day.

Hi buzuixi,

It's a matter of semantics. You believe that the word' beginning' as used here is referring to some point of existence before, or in your case after, what then follows. I believe that the word 'beginning' as used here is referring to that particular point in time in which God 'began' to build this realm of creation where absolutely nothing, but empty black space existed.

However, there was 'time' before this 'beginning'. The angelic realm already existed. The Scriptures declare to us that the angels rejoiced as God built this realm. So, there was an existence which would likely mean that 'time', as the passing of spatial and physical events, did exist. When the angels were rejoicing, there was spatial time that passed as one angel declared the glory of God until the next angel also declared the glory of God as He built this realm. However, as we understand time, the passing of spatial and physical events within this realm in which we exist, did not begin until God declared, at the beginning of building this realm in which creatures of flesh would live, and God said, "Let there be light!" At that moment, time began to pass as we understand time within this realm of God's creating.

Time has always been a fascination to man's thinking. We have tried to quantify it and explain it. Through the scientific methodology we have given thought and substance to ideas of just what exactly time is and made up all sorts of theories as to how time might be manipulated and such. For me, time is merely the spatial passing of events. It doesn't get faster and it doesn't get slower. It just is. The angels didn't talk faster or things move faster just because of some contrived 'warping' of time. We have all these theories that somehow black holes 'eat' time, but we don't have any real evidence that such a phenomenon really exists. At this point, it's merely a construct of human thinking. Sure, we have great scientific minds who have worked out equations that seem to explain that such and such a thing is a foregone conclusion, but as yet, other than the algorithmic formulas looking very wise and using a bunch of letters that stand for other reasonably ethereal ideas, we don't have any physical proof that any of these equations actually do explain what we hope they explain.

But any understanding of time, being anything but a construct of our ideas to describe that things happen in some form of order where there is a space of reality that occurs between one event to the next, is still merely a fascination of our minds.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[aiki]

For a really good read about the Genesis account:

"Seven Days That Divide The World," by Dr. John Lennox.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

This also leads to other questions like if someone doesn't want to take creation literally, then what about Jonah being swalloed by a whale? Or (forgot her name) being turned into a pillar of salt? Is this literal or not? I believe it to be literal.

 

[Tree of Life]

This also leads to other questions like if someone doesn't want to take creation literally, then what about Jonah being swalloed by a whale? Or (forgot her name) being turned into a pillar of salt? Is this literal or not? I believe it to be literal.

From the standpoint of someone who would hold to the Literary Framework View, it's not an issue of whether or not God can create in six days. Literary Frameworkers have no problem with the miraculous. It's an issue of the genre of Genesis 1. Is it a poem or a narrative?

 

[KWCrazy]

Let's see, Genesis is a plan of six days of work which God established previously for the restoration of all things, which were destroyed in the earth after the rebellion of the inhabitants of Eden, starting by the ruler of Eden, a former Cherub.

Lucifer was an archangel and was by no means the ruler of heaven. He was a deceiver cast out of Heaven with a third of the angles before the creation of our universe.

The only possible gap is that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. This means that the earth began in a gaseous state then cooled to solid on the first day as God separated the light from the darkness; meaning that something.... the planet itself... blocked the light. The planet in rotation made the evening and the morning; the first day of creation. This is called the beginning. But what begins? Certainly our world and our solar system. The sun, moon and stars were created, presumably from the entity known as "light" on day four. So the starts which would be used for seasons and for navigation were created then. Does this mean the creation of our galaxy, or of all galaxies? That is not specifically defined. One can look up into the night sky and see stars with which to navigate and tell seasons, but other galaxies are too far away for any of that.

Nowhere does it say we were God's first creation, nor does it say God stopped creating on day 6. His work was done and it was good. Did He, though, create other wonderous beings that the descendents of Adam would not encounter? Adam and Eve were the first man and woman created. Were they the only ones created? These questions seem to have no answers in the Scriptures. While asking them is in no way offensive, to proclaim that these are truths without confirmation from the Scriptures would be false doctrine. The Word doesn't tell us everything, but it tells us that our world was created in six days.

I must tell that in Genesis 1:1, waters verily are “peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues” and not H2O, the Spirit of God did not move upon H2O. Later you will understand better this mystery in the message.

You need to keep your opinion as your opinion unless you can provided definitive proof of the veracity of your contention. I have my own ideas, but I don't present them as factual.

But the great mystery is: In the beginning God created...ie. In JESUS (and through JESUS) God created the heavens and the earth. (John1:1-3) In the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

God did not create through the Son. However, it was Christ, not God who walked and talked with Adam. It was Christ who had to look for Adam for nothing is hidden from the father. We know this because nobody could see the face of God and live. So the Father communicates with man thought the Son; Jesus Christ. When God speaks it is a booming voice; first to Moses and then to those who witnessed Christs' baptism. "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased.
"No man comes to the father but by me." Jesus is the intermediary. He always was.

Well, the earth (Israel, the dry land) was without form in the first Day, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep (sea). And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the “waters” (“peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues” and not H2O),and God claimed in the midst of the darkeness: Let there be light (well, God is Light, when He claimed “Let there be light”, He meant: Let me be known of the peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues.

The creation of the first man was on day six.

Moses said: Psa. 90:4 - A thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Meaning; God is timeless. It doesn't mean that the days are 1,000 years long. Were that true, the 1,000 years of night to follow would destroy every living thing. No, a day was a day. Nothing in the Bible supports long ages, and the sequence is unsupported by anything in nature.

From the time of the fall in the garden of Eden dwellers to the beginning of the works planned and expressed in the book of Genesis, there was a great and vast period of time.

No, we have the genealogies from Adam to Noah to Abraham to Moses to David and then to Christ.
Nobody, not even Christ, knows when the end will come. It could be today. It could be in a decade. Frankly, I would be surprised if it took much longer. The armies are massed around Israel now.

 

[dad]

Not at all. Adam occurs in both the poem of Genesis 1 and the historical narrative of Genesis 2.

So? Anything outside that is poetry?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I'm considering taking the Literary Framework View of Genesis 1. If you're unfamiliar, this is the view that Genesis 1 is a poem or song that is using a six day framework in order to communicate truths about God and Creation, but not to be understood as six historical days. It's an argument from genre.

However before I really made a commitment to this view I wanted to try it on for size and see if it could be adequately defended. How would you challenge this view? I'll try my best in this thread to defend it.

I'm the type that takes God spoke and it was done and commanded and it stood still literally. I believe he can literally create something out of nothing especially since the greek word bara means to make out of nothing essentially. Sure normally it takes years for some trees to grow but I don't see how God can't just make one pop up.

I understand your asking for people to challenge you in the OP I was just sharing my take on it.


I also don't believe God suddenly started creating one day with us... he says he changes not.

I have reason to believe he created certain stars and planets and galaxies and such previously just that he didn't create life until Earth you could say. He was always creating.

 

[GUANO]

The Biblical story of the 6-day creation of a flat earth establishes the spiritual cosmology by which prophetic things are to be understood. The heavens, the earth, the 'waters', the firmament, the plants, the beasts of the field, ect.—none of those things are actually talking about the physical earth and is more closely related to the concepts in the Sumerian creation myth among others. The 'heavens' or firmament represents the "law", the waters (seas) represents multitudes of peoples in chaos, the earth represents established civilized people, the plants are the 'fruit of human labor' darkness represents unconsciousness, light is awareness/consciousness, animals such as birds, fish, and beasts of the field represent etheric, acquadic, and terrestrial spirits. Fountains and springs of water represent knowledge and doctrine from the 'underworld' that can be safely drank and used for washing yourself clean and in fertilizing human labor (plants), rain is knowledge/doctrine from the heavens which also fertilizes human labors. Later, you learn from the prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the like what mountains and valleys represent, what earthquakes are, clouds, lightening, thunders etc... Later in Genesis we also learn that the the islands are civilized nations surrounded by uncivilized nations (the seas), the mountains represent great kingdoms and organizations of men that rule over the valleys (the poor and destitute). This is why Christ fulfilled the prophecy that "the mountains would be laid low and the valleys exalted", he did this prophetically while speaking on the Mount of Olives by exalting the poor above all others—I know so many of you really think that when Christ returns again that there will be no more mountains or islands (lol). those scriptures in Revelation are actually talking about the 'disappearance' of all the kingdoms and nations of this world in a great 'earthquake' (revolution).

God does not care to tell us directly about the earth and it's sciences, and he doesn't care about earthquakes and volcanoes and meteors. His messages to us are related to the things of the spirit and the condition of individual and collective man and the judgements and promises in store for us in the future.

 

[Tree of Life]

So? Anything outside that is poetry?

Anything outside what?

 

[GirdYourLoins]

The Biblical story of the 6-day creation of a flat earth

Anything outside what?

I got this far and knew I wouldnt agree with you There is nothing in scripture that points to a flat Earth and your adding this shows that you are imposing what you ant to see in scripture. You go on to show that you are basing your understanding of scripture on what you want it to mean. To be honest, I think you are calling god a liar.

And as for the "Old Earth" argument. I believe in a God that can create al things in any way he wants to. He spoke and the world came into existence. God, being all powerful and the creator of everything, could easily create things in various states which evolutionists claim are evidence of the old earth. Maybe their interpretation of what they have seen in the few short years that technology has been good enough is wrong. I prefer to take the view that God is not a liar and is powerful enough to create things in whatever way He sees fit to create them. What a truly awesome God He is.

 

[miamited]

Hi guano,

I agree with girdyourloins on this issue of your implication that the creation account makes any claim as to the earth being flat. Can you point to the piece of Scripture in the creation account that leads you to believe that the earth is flat?

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[dad]

God does not care to tell us directly about the earth and it's sciences, and he doesn't care about earthquakes and volcanoes and meteors. His messages to us are related to the things of the spirit and the condition of individual and collective man and the judgements and promises in store for us in the future.

How about the Sabbath day and other important days that He had Israel observe? How come He made stars for seasons? Why is there a day of creation, a day when we are to die, and etc? Why is prophesy time sensitive? I would think a good part of our condition has to do with believing Scripture and creation in a real way.

 

[dad]

Anything outside what?

The chapters you cited, Gen 1 and 2.

Basically who are we to start saying things in the bible are not real and just poetry? The Psalms are song and poetry but also prophesy, and a lot more. Just because some parts are poetic doesn't mean they are not bang on also.

 

[GUANO]

Hi guano,

I agree with girdyourloins on this issue of your implication that the creation account makes any claim as to the earth being flat. Can you point to the piece of Scripture in the creation account that leads you to believe that the earth is flat?

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

The image painted in Genesis 1 is that of a flat earth disc. It's a 2-diemntional image if you draw the creation on a sheet of paper you'll have a line through the middle that represents the separation of the waters from heaven. You'll also end up with another line above that which represents the 'firmament' which separates the waters above from the waters below. In the center you'll have an image of dry land that extends from the waters into the 'heavens' but below the 'firmament'.

I'm obviously not saying the planet earth is flat, the scripture is simply an "infographic" to convey high-level information—and it works wonderfully. Not to mention that most ancients considered the earth to be flat.

The Book of Enoch also corroborates this model but it is not 'authorized' scripture so there is no use in citing any of that here.

 

[GUANO]

How about the Sabbath day and other important days that He had Israel observe? How come He made stars for seasons? Why is there a day of creation, a day when we are to die, and etc? Why is prophesy time sensitive? I would think a good part of our condition has to do with believing Scripture and creation in a real way.

The Feasts, rites, rituals and ceremonies are inspired prophecy concerning the entire history of the world. I obviously believe that God created the heavens and the earth, but the details around any of that don't particularly concern me nor are they important in my perspective. I'm more concerned with the language of prophecy itself and Genesis sets up the 'model' upon which all of the prophets use to convey their prophetic images.

 

[GUANO]

I don't deny that the creation story has literal interpretations, it very well may have and I would expect it to but at the end of the day it doesn't mean anything to me personally. I do, however, like to speculate: The model that makes the most sense would be to translate 'yom' as an age/aeon rather than a day, and even when we break it down to earth-ages, we end up at a 2,160-year prophetic day, but a "galactic" 'day' is 250-million earth-years (the time it takes us to rotate all the way around the center of the milky way galaxy), and if we use that perspective, (7 days = 1.75 billion years). Or I can just as easily believe that the earth was created in 6 literal days, or even that the earth was created the moment I was born and could perceive it. At the end of the day, none of that is really important to me.

I do believe that there were humans before 'adam and eve' and the scriptures in genesis support it.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Just wondering what does heaven in this verse mean to you all Genesis 1:1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Some suggest it means space/whatever others just the invisible heaven alone and nothing else.

 

[Tree of Life]

The chapters you cited, Gen 1 and 2.

Basically who are we to start saying things in the bible are not real and just poetry? The Psalms are song and poetry but also prophesy, and a lot more. Just because some parts are poetic doesn't mean they are not bang on also.

About 35% of Scripture is poetry. This does not make it untrue, but it can affect the way that we interpret it. There are usually pretty clear signals that a text is a poem.

 

[Job 33:6]

Without understanding things like geology, people would not come to an understanding of an old earth simply based on scripture. Scripture just isn't written in a way which would clarify such a thing. People must be scientifically literate to understand God's creation of earth.