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Nobody care's if you're black CaDan.


How about the abused Robin William's. So abused and nobody cared enough to save his life. White hater's.

Four sentences containing three obvious grammar errors.
 
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*snippage*
Black man carrying marijuana and paraphernalia trespassing on private property and resisting arrest, and some say the law should not apply to him. The laws apparently only apply to white men

Why do you have to say untrue things to defend your position?
 
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For some, the law only applies to white people. Black people are always in the wrong and are considered guilty until proven innocent. What's worse is that even know the law and the specific statutes, people are still in denial. It was public property, that is a fact. Therefore, it is unlawful to arrest a man for not committing a crime.

(nit-picking)

This wasn't "public property", but it was property subject to a public easement. The effect is the same, though.
 
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The police report you were where the first officer on the scene encountered the suspect inside the bank

332 Minnesota Street is not a bank.

The report is also pretty clear that Mr. Lollie was leaving that address while Officer Hayne was entering. She followed him for about a block and a half.
 
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That was the building next door, the US Bank building.

Reading is fundamental, but apparently not Fundamentalist.
The report states that Hayne's encountered the suspect afterentering the 1st National Bank. That is from your link :wave:
 
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332 Minnesota Street is not a bank.

The report is also pretty clear that Mr. Lollie was leaving that address while Officer Hayne was entering. She followed him for about a block and a half.
Yes, he was leaving the bank in his own good time rather than when requested. Thus, he was trespassing at the time Hayne's first saw him. Subsequently, he refused to answer questions appropriately asked by law enforcement. There's simply no way to make him an innocent victim here
 
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This doesn't in any way address my quote that was in answer to Mach's post, so let me go over it again.


CaDan has been pointing out white supremacy. In multiple threads.

IMO, candan has attempted to show white supremacy in multiple threads, but has failed to provide evidence, that white supremacist motivation, was specifically involved in what he was trying to tie white supremacy to.

Does white supremacy exist with some people, sure it does. Does racism against whites exist with some people, sure it does. All sorts of racist thinking and behavior exists in the United States and or prejudice and pre conceived notions, based on ideology.

The face of racism has changed in this country in the last several decades and as with anything in a society, it will continue to change. Lastly, claiming racism, white supremacy and or prejudice, is a serious allegation and should be supported with adequate evidence, to support the specific claim or allegation, anyone is making.
 
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The report states that Hayne's encountered the suspect afterentering the 1st National Bank. That is from your link :wave:

It's not a bank. It's a building that used to be a bank. Now rented office space with a public thruway.
 
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IMO, candan has attempted to show white supremacy in multiple threads, but has failed to provide evidence, that white supremacist motivation, was specifically involved in what he was trying to tie white supremacy to.

Don't need motivations. Just need results.

Does white supremacy exist with some people, sure it does. Does racism against whites exist with some people, sure it does. All sorts of racist thinking and behavior exists in the United States and or prejudice and pre conceived notions, based on ideology.

Again, you make the error of presuming that one needs Archie Bunker like motivation or behavior to participate and support a system of White Supremacy.

The face of racism has changed in this country in the last several decades and as with anything in a society, it will continue to change.

Yup.

Lastly, claiming racism, white supremacy and or prejudice, is a serious allegation and should be supported with adequate evidence, to support the specific claim or allegation, anyone is making.

U mad bro? Y?
 
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Yes, he was leaving the bank in his own good time rather than when requested. Thus, he was trespassing at the time Hayne's first saw him. Subsequently, he refused to answer questions appropriately asked by law enforcement. There's simply no way to make him an innocent victim here

Not true.

He was in a public thruway created by easement.

But you are correct that there is no way he is an innocent victim to you and your Invisible Empire. A black man is always the guilty aggressor. Always.
 
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So. If I rob a bank but the police encounter me AFTER the fact, I guess they can't do anything. Bummer.

This is incorrect.

Bank robbery is a felony, not a misdemeanor and peace officers may make arrests based on that. Please review the citations to relevant Minnesota law provided up-thread.
 
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This is incorrect.

Bank robbery is a felony, not a misdemeanor and peace officers may make arrests based on that. Please review the citations to relevant Minnesota law provided up-thread.

So it's just misdemeanors they can't arrest you for?
 
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Don't need motivations. Just need results.



Again, you make the error of presuming that one needs Archie Bunker like motivation or behavior to participate and support a system of White Supremacy.



Yup.



U mad bro? Y?

I don't think looking at the facts of each situation is an error, but that is just how I approach issues.

Am I mad? I just don't see those who make claims of white supremacy, racism and or prejudice, without verifiable evidence to support in each situation, as any better than those who actually are white supremacists, racist or prejudice against others and are partaking in the same immoral behavior and this does nothing to move society forward.

Again, I would refer to the quote in my signature from Winston Churchill, about those who use the past, to sit in judgment of the present.
 
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So it's just misdemeanors they can't arrest you for?

Misdemeanors not occurring in the presence of the peace officer.

Plus, there was no misdemeanor. The Saint Paul skyway system is a public thruway, so it is no offense to sit on chairs or benches in it. It is the equivalent of a sidewalk.
 
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I don't think looking at the facts of each situation is an error, but that is just how I approach issues.

Am I mad? I just don't see those who make claims of white supremacy, racism and or prejudice, without verifiable evidence to support in each situation, as any better than those who actually are white supremacists, racist or prejudice against others and are partaking in the same immoral behavior and this does nothing to move society forward.

Again, I would refer to the quote in my signature from Winston Churchill, about those who use the past, to sit in judgment of the present.

You have just ignored all the evidence presented.

Your moral equivalency claims are stupid. You just feel bad talking on the internet; Mr. Lollie was subjected to pain and detained. These are not equivalent.

If you want to move society forward, you have to recognize where society is, the words of a fat old British bigot notwithstanding.
 
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You have just ignored all the evidence presented.

Your moral equivalency claims are stupid. You just feel bad talking on the internet; Mr. Lollie was subjected to pain and detained. These are not equivalent.

If you want to move society forward, you have to recognize where society is, the words of a fat old British bigot notwithstanding.

I have seen no objective evidence this guy was treated the way he was based on race.

As I mentioned yesterday, I thought the male cop was over the top in making the situation worse. If you have verifiable evidence this occurred because the guy was black, lets hear it.
 
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