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[Windmill]

Well something on this forum needs to change, big time

 

[NightEternal]

It is unfortunate.

No, it is necessary.

Both sides are at fault.

They are the ones who do not consider us true Adventists Windmill. They have taken the antagonistic, offensive position. Check out the Great Controversy website, Adventist Affirm or SDA Defend and see if I speak the truth.

That mindset can neither be reasoned with nor should it be tolerated.

Who cares if you are provoked- so what? Nothing really justifies this, neither of either side acts in any sort of a loving way to another. Everything seems to be said out on anger.

There is plenty of reason to be angry, believe me.

Listen to me... "side"... we have sides in this tiny forum, what sort of an example is this setting for non-adventists, when they see each other at each others throats?

There are factions and sides in the chruch Windmill. I have been in this denomination for over 20 years and it has never been any other way. You live right near the hub of liberal Adventism in Australia. Can you honestly tell me there is not tension and division going on between the Ford devotees and the Historics down there?

If your enemy throws rocks at you, being nice to them is like heaping burning coals on them. Why don't we all follow that mentality? I can understand some fight slip-ups, but this is just plain ridiculous and childish.

You will see when you have been in the church long enough. There has never been unity in Adventism. Never. Not even in the days of the pioneers.

Neither side can go "You started it!" Because that doesn't justify their actions at all, morally or logically. Or "You flame! You deserve this!" And say that proudly when they themselves have flammed, how hypocritical is that?

Both of these "sides" progressive SDA's and traditional SDA's need to grow up and accept their differences with one another. Discuss it, but discuss it in an edifying manner. You aren't convincing anyone with anger and bitterness oozing from your posts!

But that's the thing Windmill. The Trads will NEVER accept the differences that are prevalent in the Progs. Never. We are false Adventists to them. Those who do not bow down to the 28 fundamentals or grovel at the feet of EGW are tares waiting for the final fire of destruction. Period. That is the mentality we are dealing with out there.

 

[Windmill]

I DO live at the brink of liberalism, well, almost. I live in New Zealand, however we feel the after effects of it here too so yes there IS tension. The tension however is actually pretty low. It usually only exists when one group pushes their way upon another.

Quite frankly, to say that you can be justified in breaking rules to get your point across feels ridiculous. Come on- the rules say specifically no flamming. I don't believe for one minute the mods will give you a sitewide ban if you weren't doing some flamming. So you've been flamming... what good is that? How will that get your point across?

All views should be tolerated. Even if they're intolerant of your view, ignore them and move on, because you don't like it when they act intolerant of your viewpoint, so how is it any different vice versa? Its hypocritical to tell them to be tolerant of your beliefs when you are intolerant of theirs.

Maybe traditionalists will never accept you. I don't know, I myself don't label myself traditional or progressive, because I take parts of both sides. But quite frankly, it doesn't matter whether or not the traditionalist adventists on here or in real life tolerate you or not- flamming them won't help- won't convince them, won't change anything, won't do anything for your side, will only escalate tension, and will only make you intolerant.

 

[NightEternal]

But bear in mind Windmill, that just because mods deem something a flame does not necessarily mean it is a flame. I don't want to go into detail here, but there have been some seriously questionable rulings against me that have taken place in the past.

Yes, all views should be tolerated, you are correct. But we both know they have not been and they will not be. Stormy has been dealing with the intolerance going on two years now!

Thanks for your comments and rebukes. You are a wise girl.

 

[Windmill]

I do try

I just wish there wasn't so much tension, it makes the place so unpleasant

 

[BGMCFAR]

It is unfortunate.

No, it is necessary.

Both sides are at fault.

They are the ones who do not consider us true Adventists Windmill. They have taken the antagonistic, offensive position. Check out the Great Controversy website, Adventist Affirm or SDA Defend and see if I speak the truth.

That mindset can neither be reasoned with nor should it be tolerated.

Who cares if you are provoked- so what? Nothing really justifies this, neither of either side acts in any sort of a loving way to another. Everything seems to be said out on anger.

There is plenty of reason to be angry, believe me.

Listen to me... "side"... we have sides in this tiny forum, what sort of an example is this setting for non-adventists, when they see each other at each others throats?

There are factions and sides in the chruch Windmill. I have been in this denomination for over 20 years and it has never been any other way. You live right near the hub of liberal Adventism in Australia. Can you honestly tell me there is not tension and division going on between the Ford devotees and the Historics down there?

If your enemy throws rocks at you, being nice to them is like heaping burning coals on them. Why don't we all follow that mentality? I can understand some fight slip-ups, but this is just plain ridiculous and childish.

You will see when you have been in the church long enough. There has never been unity in Adventism. Never. Not even in the days of the pioneers.

Neither side can go "You started it!" Because that doesn't justify their actions at all, morally or logically. Or "You flame! You deserve this!" And say that proudly when they themselves have flammed, how hypocritical is that?

Both of these "sides" progressive SDA's and traditional SDA's need to grow up and accept their differences with one another. Discuss it, but discuss it in an edifying manner. You aren't convincing anyone with anger and bitterness oozing from your posts!

But that's the thing Windmill. The Trads will NEVER accept the differences that are prevalent in the Progs. Never. We are false Adventists to them. Those who do not bow down to the 28 fundamentals are tares waiting for the final fire of destruction. Period. That is the mentality we are dealing with out there.

Night you are absolutely right I can remember this happen52 years ago in a churchI grew up in back then they didnn't call them progs they misguided belivers according to the trads. they sit on opposite sides of the isle in churchit got so bad a conference president finaly came over and hada conferneceand tried to mend some fences it lasted a while but there was always that undercurrent and its sad becausewe all worship the same Jesusand somtimes its better to agree to disagree and still worship together Progs and Trads ask your slefs If my brother was drownding would I ask him are you Prog or Trad before I saved him.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Well, at least this will all get resolved when Jesus comes back. No more sides then.

 

[BGMCFAR]

Well, at least this will all get resolved when Jesus comes back. No more sides then.

You are so right Sky so are so right Bless you what a joy that will be

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

You are so right Sky so are so right Bless you what a joy that will be

Thanks. Yes, it'll be wonderful! How silly we'll all feel then too...looking back and seeing how trivial all of this will seem to us when we're standing in His glory!

God bless

 

[OntheDL]

Thanks. Yes, it'll be wonderful! How silly we'll all feel then too...looking back and seeing how trivial all of this will seem to us when we're standing in His glory!

God bless

Sarah, do you believe both sides of the controversy will go to heaven?

 

[OntheDL]

Farewell Night. We're going to miss you. It seems those militant trads got what they wanted.

I didn't realize the militant trads got that much power.

Now that I know, lets see who is next.

 

[NightEternal]

Sarah, do you believe both sides of the controversy will go to heaven?

I rest my case.

 

[LogosRhema]

I don't understand, whats going on?

 

[Xenon]

Sarah, do you believe both sides of the controversy will go to heaven?

Why are you trying to start a fight? I doubt that this is the place for it.

Night, if this does happen, then it will be a loss. I can't say that I agree with the way you say things sometimes, but you have valid points to make. I am fortunate to have a sheltered SDA life in my church, where EGW's writings are not used to resolve biblical issues. If things are really as bad as you say they are, then a change is definitely needed.

 

[Mankin]

Sarah, do you believe both sides of the controversy will go to heaven?

What a load of crud. Are we the ones who make people question their salvation? Are we the ones that condemn everyone else to hell?

 

[Mankin]

I don't understand, whats going on?

Pm me and I'll try to explain when I get the chance.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Sarah, do you believe both sides of the controversy will go to heaven?

OOooh. Heavy question.

In all honesty I can say yes. However, I cannot judge someone's realationship with Christ now can I? I don't know their inner most thoughts.

Do I think that this little controversy will decide the fate of anyone here? No. And if it does, it's still their own relationship with Christ that decides it.

I honestly believe that those on either side have as equal a chance at the eternal kingdom.

 

[freeindeed2]

OOooh. Heavy question.

In all honesty I can say yes. However, I cannot judge someone's realationship with Christ now can I? I don't know their inner most thoughts.

Do I think that this little controversy will decide the fate of anyone here? No. And if it does, it's still their own relationship with Christ that decides it.

I honestly believe that those on either side have as equal a chance at the eternal kingdom.

I think he's talking about EGW's so-called 'Great Controversy', although I think he's placed posters here on one side or the other based on their alignment with his own thinking and beliefs.

In Christ alone...

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

I think he's talking about EGW's so-called 'Great Controversy', although I think he's placed posters here on one side or the other based on their alignment with his own thinking and beliefs.

In Christ alone...

Oh.

Well, if that's the case I haven't read the book yet.

 

[DarylFawcett]

Of all the posts I have read here, Windmill's posts have made the most sense, and these posts came from a very sensible teenager.