Sins of the prophet Muhammad

InnerPhyre · Mar 7, 2005

Dawah said:
you know what this is the love we know:

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
"O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him, lowly with the Believers, mighty against the Rejecters, fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things." [005:054]

Interesting. Would you please elaborate on this? I sometimes find Qur'anic language confusing.

Dawah · Mar 7, 2005

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

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"O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him, lowly with the Believers, mighty against the Rejecters, fighting in the Way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things." [005:054]

Allah warning the believer's said if they turn back from his Faith he(Allah) will

get another people whom He will love as they will love Him,they will feel lowly

with the Believers,mighty against the Rejecters, fighting in the Way of Allah and

never afraid of anyone in doing so and that's the grace of Allah he give it to

whom he will and Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.

hope i make it clear

InnerPhyre · Mar 7, 2005

Ah I understand. Thank you.

Dawah · Mar 7, 2005

you are welcomed

Bookofknowledge · Mar 8, 2005

InnerPhyre said:
How am I angry? BoK was the one typing in all caps and telling me God would punish me.

I didn't mean to offend but I can't stand people who don't think while saying or claiming "They were able to kill Jesus (AS)"

Order of Allah to believe in all Prophets without discrimination

2:136
Say: "We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us; and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants, and that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb. We do not discriminate any of them, and to Allah we have surrendered ourselves (in Islam)."

Adam and "Mubahla" Calling Allah's decision if Isa (Jesus) birth is disputed

3:59
In fact the example of the birth of Isa ( Jesus) in the sight of Allah is like the example of Adam who had no father and mother, whom He created out of dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was.

3:60
This is the Truth from your Rabb, therefore, do not be of those who doubt it.

3:61
If anyone disputes with you concerning this matter (the birth of Jesus) after full knowledge has come to you, say: "Come! Let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray and invoke the curse of Allah on the liars."

3:62
Verily this is the absolute true explanation. The fact of the matter is, that there is no god but Allah; and for sure Allah is the Mighty, the Wise.

3:63
But if they turn away from accepting this challenge, it will be clear proof of their mischief and Allah has the full knowledge of mischief-makers.

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4:156
They went in their unbelief to such an extent that they uttered terrible slander against Maryam (Mary).

4:157
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).

4:158
Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Green Man · Mar 8, 2005

Bookofknowledge said:
I didn't mean to offend but I can't stand people who don't think while saying or claiming "They were able to kill Jesus (AS)"

Order of Allah to believe in all Prophets without discrimination

2:136
Say: "We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us; and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants, and that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb. We do not discriminate any of them, and to Allah we have surrendered ourselves (in Islam)."

Adam and "Mubahla" Calling Allah's decision if Isa (Jesus) birth is disputed

3:59
In fact the example of the birth of Isa ( Jesus) in the sight of Allah is like the
example of Adam who had no father and mother, whom He created out of dust, then said to him: "Be" and he was.

3:60
This is the Truth from your Rabb, therefore, do not be of those who doubt it.

3:61
If anyone disputes with you concerning this matter (the birth of Jesus) after full knowledge has come to you, say: "Come! Let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray and invoke the curse of Allah on the liars."

3:62
Verily this is the absolute true explanation. The fact of the matter is, that there is no god but Allah; and for sure Allah is the Mighty, the Wise.

3:63
But if they turn away from accepting this challenge, it will be clear proof of their mischief and Allah has the full knowledge of mischief-makers.

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4:156
They went in their unbelief to such an extent that they uttered terrible slander against Maryam (Mary).

4:157
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the
Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).

4:158
Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

In 4:157,please define what"The matter was made dubious for them"means.Exactly what is it saying?

Dawah · Mar 8, 2005

Green Man said:
In 4:157,please define what"The matter was made dubious for them"means.Exactly what is it saying?

may this transulation make it clear:

"That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not." "004:157"

Bookofknowledge · Mar 8, 2005

Green Man said:
In 4:157,please define what"The matter was made dubious for them"means.Exactly what is it saying?

4:157
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the
Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).

AL-Quran is sent in Arabic to teach and to remind, so read and say, "O Rabb increase my Knowledge"

20:113
Thus have we sent down this Qur'an in Arabic and clearly proclaimed in it some of the warnings so that they may take heed or that it may serve as a reminder to them.

20:114
High and exalted be Allah, the True King! Do not hasten to recite the Qur'an before its revelation is completely conveyed to you, and then say: "O Rabb! Increase my knowledge."

20:115
We had taken a covenant from Adam before, but he forgot. We did not find in him firm determination.

Allah will test the Believer's belief

155
We shall surely test your steadfastness with fear and famine, with loss of property, life and produce. Give good news to those who endure with patience;

156
who, when afflicted with calamity, say: "We belong to Allah and to Him we shall return."

157
Such are the people on whom there are blessings and Mercy from Allah; and they are the ones that are rightly guided.

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If you are going to rely on historial evidence and present it to believers then you should know "WE as humans" have no real knowledge according to a verse in Qur'aan with regards to this matter.

If you are going to rely on qur'aan and seek answers to your questions then every one should know that believers "Hear and Obey" - As per Qur'aan "neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them"

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Allah has not granted immortality to any human being If Rasools are destined to die, how disbelievers are going to live for ever!

21:34
O Muhammad, We have not granted immortality to any human before you: so if you are to die, will these unbelievers live forever?

21:35
Every soul is bound to have the taste of death. We are putting all of you to a test by passing you through bad and good conditions, and finally you shall return to Us.

21:36
When the unbelievers see you they do not take you but for one to be scoffed at, saying: "Is this the one who talks against your gods?" And they themselves deny the mention of the Compassionate (Allah).

21:37
Man is a creature of haste (impatience). Soon I will show you My signs, therefore, you need not be impatient.

Green Man · Mar 8, 2005

Dawah said:
may this transulation make it clear:

"That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not." "004:157"

All you did was repeat the same verse without the line I asked about.What does"It was made dubious for them" mean?

InnerPhyre · Mar 8, 2005

Why didn't Jesus's apostles know that He was taken immediately to heaven and not crucified?

Green Man · Mar 8, 2005

Bookofknowledge said:
4:157
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the
Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).

AL-Quran is sent in Arabic to teach and to remind, so read and say, "O Rabb increase my Knowledge"

20:113
Thus have we sent down this Qur'an in Arabic and clearly proclaimed in it some of the warnings so that they may take heed or that it may serve as a reminder to them.

20:114
High and exalted be Allah, the True King! Do not hasten to recite the Qur'an before its revelation is completely conveyed to you, and then say: "O Rabb! Increase my knowledge."

20:115
We had taken a covenant from Adam before, but he forgot. We did not find in him firm determination.

Allah will test the Believer's belief

155
We shall surely test your steadfastness with fear and famine, with loss of property, life and produce. Give good news to those who endure with patience;

156
who, when afflicted with calamity, say: "We belong to Allah and to Him we shall return."

157
Such are the people on whom there are blessings and Mercy from Allah; and they are the ones that are rightly guided.

***********************************

If you are going to rely on historial evidence and present it to believers then you should know "WE as humans" have no real knowledge according to a verse in Qur'aan with regards to this matter.

If you are going to rely on qur'aan and seek answers to your questions then every one should know that believers "Hear and Obey" - As per Qur'aan "neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them"

***************************************

Allah has not granted immortality to any human being If Rasools are destined to die, how disbelievers are going to live for ever!

21:34
O Muhammad, We have not granted immortality to any human before you: so if you are to die, will these unbelievers live forever?

21:35
Every soul is bound to have the taste of death. We are putting all of you to a test by passing you through bad and good conditions, and finally you shall return to Us.

21:36
When the unbelievers see you they do not take you but for one to be scoffed at, saying: "Is this the one who talks against your gods?" And they themselves deny the mention of the Compassionate (Allah).

21:37
Man is a creature of haste (impatience). Soon I will show you My signs, therefore, you need not be impatient.

All you did here was shift attention to a different line.What does the line I asked about mean?I don't need a sermon.

Dawah · Mar 8, 2005

Green Man said:
All you did was repeat the same verse without the line I asked about.What does"It was made dubious for them" mean?

i repeat the verse in another transulation..you know the Qura'n is in Arabic

so i thought you may understood it in that one

Green Man · Mar 8, 2005

Dawah said:
i repeat the verse in another transulation..you know the Qura'n is in Arabic

so i thought you may understood it in that one

I don't want another quote.I want your definition.

Dawah · Mar 8, 2005

the part of the verse you are refering to means:

when they took the man who appears to them as Jesus, they was in doubt,

and it was like a guess to them, that's why they was in differ

InnerPhyre · Mar 8, 2005

Also, the Blessed Virgin Mary was present during the crucifixion. Why was she also deceived into thinking it was her Son on the cross?

Dawah · Mar 8, 2005

Green Man said:
I don't want another quote.I want your definition.

i was writing it ..you got it

Bookofknowledge · Mar 8, 2005

Green Man said:
All you did here was shift attention to a different line.What does the line I asked about mean?I don't need a sermon.

I hope you do realise your asking me to explain the verse from Qur'aan which according to Muslims revealed to Prophet Muhammad(SAW) From Allah (God)

As per what I know about you, you do not believe in God... right?

If you are trying to understand the verse in Qur'aan I believe you are trying to understand God. Am I right?

My next question is - If you are trying to understand God, Are you only going to understand what you desire and leave the rest assuming its nothing to do with understanding God?

Green Man · Mar 8, 2005

Dawah said:
the part of the verse you are refering to means:

when they took the man who appears to them as Jesus, they was in doubt,

and it was like a guess to them, that's why they was in differ

So,they crucified an innocent man.

Green Man · Mar 8, 2005

Bookofknowledge said:
I hope you do realise your asking me to explain the verse from Qur'aan which according to Muslims revealed to Prophet Muhammad(SAW) From Allah (God)

As per what I know about you, you do not believe in God... right?

If you are trying to understand the verse in Qur'aan I believe you are trying to understand God. Am I right?

My next question is - If you are trying to understand God, Are you only going to understand what you desire and leave the rest assuming its nothing to do with understanding God?

God exists only in the human imagination.I am attempting to get a definition as to what that line means,and I don't care about the rest.

Bookofknowledge · Mar 8, 2005

InnerPhyre said:
Also, the Blessed Virgin Mary was present during the crucifixion. Why was she also deceived into thinking it was her Son on the cross?

Do you even know the status of Mary and what was revealed to her?

Birth and growth of Maryem (Mary)

3:35
Allah heard when the wife of Imran said, "O my Rabb! I dedicate to Your service what is in my womb. Please accept it from me. You alone hear all and know all."

3:36
When she gave birth to a girl instead of a boy, she said: "My Rabb! I have given birth to a girl," - Allah knew very well what she had delivered - "and that the male is not like the female, I have named her Maryem (Mary) and I seek Your protection for her and her children from the mischief of Shaitan, the accursed."

3:37
Her Rabb graciously accepted that girl. He made her grow up as a good girl and entrusted her to the care of Zakariya. Whenever Zakariya entered the sanctuary to see her, he found with her food. He asked, "O Maryem! From where did you get it?" She replied, "It came from Allah. In fact, Allah gives to whom He wants without measure."

Status of Maryem (Mary) among the women of the world

3:42
There came the time when angels said: "O Maryem! Surely Allah has exalted you, purified you, and preferred you for His service over all the women of the worlds.

3:43
O Maryem! Be obedient to your Rabb, prostrate and bow down in worship with
other worshippers."

3:44
O Muhammad, these are the news from the unseen which We are revealing to you. You were not present with them when priests of the temple cast their pens to decide which of them should be the guardian of Maryem; nor were you with them when they argued about it.

News of Isa (Jesus) birth

3:45
When the angels said "O Maryem! Allah gives you the good news with a Word
from Him that you will be given a son: his name will be Messiah, Isa (Jesus Christ) the son of Maryem. He will be noble in this world and the Hereafter; and he will be from those who are very close to Allah.

3:46
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in his old age and he will be among the righteous."

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