Sins of the prophet Muhammad

[InnerPhyre]

I would say late 40's. Very few people lived as long then as they do now.

 

[Green Man]

hahaha,

Are you scared to say this earth will never end?

Indeed the knowledge of the hour is with Allah and we have given little knowledge as the portant of the hour which are appearing one after another throughout history and it will continue until the last day.

Of course the earth will end someday.When the sun swells up into a giant and swallows the earth,then we'll see the end of the earth.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

I would say late 40's. Very few people lived as long then as they do now.

strange, I thought the age is decreesing instead of increesing now a days because I know some christians live more than 100 years during the time of Prophet Muhammad.

now, thanks for your reply. I conclude that 33 years of age was not considered as old age.

obviously your believe is different than mine, so I am going to say the way I understand and tryto reply "Mary was deceived or not"

According to my believe Qur'aan is a reminder and warning.

3:46
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in his old age and he will be among the righteous."

The above verse was revealed to Mary before the birth of Jesus, now remember Mary was no common women her status was above all the women of the worlds. She was a firm believer who witnessed the birth of Jesus and Him speaking in the cradle.

given all this signs and Mary status, why would Mary believe that Jesus will not be able to speak in his old age and felt deceived by what she was seeing?

 

[InnerPhyre]

There certainly were some people who lived to be over 100 years old back then, but the average life expectancy was less than it is now.

So if Mary knew that she was not seeing her Son crucified, because she was told He would speak in His old age, why would she be present at the crucifixion at all?

Also, how could Jesus speak to people in His old age if He was taken directly to heaven at 33?

 

[Green Man]

strange, I thought the age is decreesing instead of increesing now a days because I know some christians live more than 100 years during the time of Prophet Muhammad.

now, thanks for your reply. I conclude that 33 years of age was not considered as old age.

obviously your believe is different than mine, so I am going to say the way I understand and tryto reply "Mary was deceived or not"

According to my believe Qur'aan is a reminder and warning.

3:46
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in his old age and he will be among the righteous."

The above verse was revealed to Mary before the birth of Jesus, now remember Mary was no common women her status was above all the women of the worlds. She was a firm believer who witnessed the birth of Jesus and Him speaking in the cradle.

given all this signs and Mary status, why would Mary believe that Jesus will not be able to speak in his old age and felt deceived by what she was seeing?

You're dancing around the issue here.Why did Allah deceive Mary?

 

[rahma]

Also, how could Jesus speak to people in His old age if He was taken directly to heaven at 33?

Muslims believe that Jesus (as) will come back during the end times and live out the rest of his natural life.

“The Hour will not be established until the son of Maryam (peace and blessings be upon him) descends amongst you as a just ruler” (Al-Bukhari).

“Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) will rule with the rules of Islam and will revive the practices that his people have abandoned” (Ibn Majah).

 

[Bookofknowledge]

There certainly were some people who lived to be over 100 years old back then, but the average life expectancy was less than it is now.

So if Mary knew that she was not seeing her Son crucified, because she was told He would speak in His old age, why would she be present at the crucifixion at all?

Also, how could Jesus speak to people in His old age if He was taken directly to heaven at 33?

None the less Jesus was considered as middle age man not old age...

Since the matter was made dubious for those people, I can not comment on what they saw and what they didn't saw. Even if she was there doesn’t mean she was there to witness her own son being crucified - She was a firm believer, Allah exalted her above all the womens of the world. She was not a common woman.

A slave women during the time of Prophet Muhammad was tortured by un-believers, they tortured her until she was unable to see from her eyes - The firm believe in Allah. She gained her sight next morning.

This was the slave woman and yet you guys doubt why Mary was there to witness her own son’s crucifixion when Allah revealed to her before the birth of Jesus that Jesus will speak to the people in old age.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 3 Number 656 - Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

 

[Bookofknowledge]

You're dancing around the issue here.Why did Allah deceive Mary?

Allah never deceived his followers.

 

[Green Man]

Allah never deceived his followers.

Who did Mary see on the cross?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Who did Mary see on the cross?

If Mary did saw some one on the cross being killed by wicked people then certainly She must have prayed to Allah while seeing.

If those people did killed any one on that day then certainly it was NOT Jesus (AS).

I am a servant of Creator, I am the one who is still trying to come out of depth of darkness into light, my faith says He, The Creator can punish for the wrong doing but it is not possible that my Allah will deceive the followers. Why don't you give a thought that Mary was not an ordinary woman? She is the one to whom Allah sent angels to assist her and raised her above all the women of the world.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Muslims believe that Jesus (as) will come back during the end times and live out the rest of his natural life.

“The Hour will not be established until the son of Maryam (peace and blessings be upon him) descends amongst you as a just ruler” (Al-Bukhari).

“Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) will rule with the rules of Islam and will revive the practices that his people have abandoned” (Ibn Majah).

If this is the case, I fail to see how the Christian belief of death and resurrection wouldn't apply. If we thought Jesus died and remained dead, then certainly He couldn't return to live out his natural life, but since He died, and took up his life again, He is still very much alive in heaven and will one day return. It'll be nice when He does come back to sort all this out

 

[S Walch]

If this is the case, I fail to see how the Christian belief of death and resurrection wouldn't apply. If we thought Jesus died and remained dead, then certainly He couldn't return to live out his natural life, but since He died, and took up his life again, He is still very much alive in heaven and will one day return. It'll be nice when He does come back to sort all this out

That is a day which I can't wait for.

 

[InnerPhyre]

None the less Jesus was considered as middle age man not old age...

Since the matter was made dubious for those people, I can not comment on what they saw and what they didn't saw. Even if she was there doesn’t mean she was there to witness her own son being crucified - She was a firm believer, Allah exalted her above all the womens of the world. She was not a common woman.

A slave women during the time of Prophet Muhammad was tortured by un-believers, they tortured her until she was unable to see from her eyes - The firm believe in Allah. She gained her sight next morning.

This was the slave woman and yet you guys doubt why Mary was there to witness her own son’s crucifixion when Allah revealed to her before the birth of Jesus that Jesus will speak to the people in old age.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 3 Number 656 - Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

We also believe that Jesus will one day return to rule. To this end, He may speak in His old age. We still believe that He died and rose from the dead though, and I fail to see how this is contradictory.

Also, please stop insinuating that I think Mary was just a common woman. Christians believed that Mary was the most pure and holy woman to exist long before Muhammad came and said so, and to this day, we still do. No woman has ever existed in history that is greater than Mary and none ever will.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

We also believe that Jesus will one day return to rule. To this end, He may speak in His old age.

3:64
Say: "O people of the Book! Let us get together on what is common between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah; that we shall not associate any partners with Him; that we shall not take from among ourselves any lords beside Allah." If they reject your invitation then tell them: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (who have surrendered to Allah)."

We still believe that He died and rose from the dead though, and I fail to see how this is contradictory.

You said, Jesus died and rose from the dead - who gave life to Jesus after He died? The God or Jesus himself?

If The God gave life to Jesus then He would have also been counted as those people to whom God gave life after death on earth. (goes against the concept of trinity - which says "they all are equal", how can they all be equal one they can not give life to himself and rely on other to give life)

According to my believe Allah did not killed Jesus inorder to raise him. Allah raised Jesus and made the matter dubious for those wicked people.

Also, please stop insinuating that I think Mary was just a common woman. Christians believed that Mary was the most pure and holy woman to exist long before Muhammad came and said so, and to this day, we still do. No woman has ever existed in history that is greater than Mary and none ever will.

If you guys are going to continue asking questions like - why Mary was there, why she was sitting, why she was standing... I am sorry but I can not stand to these type of question regarding Mary to whom Allah sent Angels to assist her.

She was a very pious and humble person, she can be at any place where her Allah wants her to be hence don't ask me why she was here and there.

There are very few women whom Allah raised in levels.

 

[peaceful soul]

There certainly were some people who lived to be over 100 years old back then, but the average life expectancy was less than it is now.

So if Mary knew that she was not seeing her Son crucified, because she was told He would speak in His old age, why would she be present at the crucifixion at all?

Also, how could Jesus speak to people in His old age if He was taken directly to heaven at 33?

Also, why did not Mary tell the others that this was not her son if she had already known?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Also, why did not Mary tell the others that this was not her son if she had already known?

Have you seen the chosen people of Allah saying or doing anything which has not been commanded to do by Allah?

 

[InnerPhyre]

3:64



You said, Jesus died and rose from the dead - who gave life to Jesus after He died? The God or Jesus himself?

If The God gave life to Jesus then He would have also been counted as those people to whom God gave life after death on earth. (goes against the concept of trinity - which says "they all are equal", how can they all be equal one they can not give life to himself and rely on other to give life)

As Jesus said in John 10:18:

"I lay down my life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down, and power to take it up again"

Jesus had the power to take back His life after he gave it up.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Jesus had the power to take back His life after he gave it up.

Take back from whom?

 

[InnerPhyre]

From death. He gave up His life, and then restored it.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

From death. He gave up His life, and then restored it.

From death

What is death?