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Sins after Baptism

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When I accepted Jesus’ call to his ministry, I asked him what seminary to attend. Jesus told me: “NO! Don’t read about me I will teach you about me.” Not long after that my wife wanted to pick up a book from the Christian bookstore, and while waiting for her in the store, I noticed a book on spirituality and reached up to look at it, and as I did I started to throw up. I then remembered what Jesus told me and stopped reaching for the book, and never attempted to read anything about Jesus again.

People have a hard time accepting that God personally teaches us about him. I am sure Satan has much to do with such thinking.

Scripture tells us that the only way one can come to know God is to have God teach him or her. Man does not want to accept God’s teachings, so maybe that is why people let man teach him or her about God.

Jesus said his people would hear his voice, and he would call his own out by name.

People don’t believe Jesus talks to them, so he must not have called them out by name, is that because they are not one of his own, or are people just not listening?

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

By the way I am not what is it people are saying, a Mystic? I am a man who Jesus called into his ministry. Jesus gave me a job to do, and I am doing that job. Jesus has given me many of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and that does not make me a mystic.

I am a spiritual person, meaning that Jesus has made a home of me, and I no longer sin.

Jesus has called me by name many times, and he has told me he is God, and the Christian bible is the written Word of God. Jesus has told me many things over the years, and it is my job to share some of what he has taught me and told me.

I think I've been pretty fair with you. I'm not opposed to private revelations. That's why I pointed you towards those books on that subject. So, you won't read anything now? That just makes your world more isolated from getting help on objective truth.

A claim like you're making, if literal, needs to be screened for what the cause might be. Once other causes are eliminated, you need to speak with a spiritual director to validate the private revelation. One test is whether the revelation is in agreement with orthodox Christianity.

My concern is that you're telling people that Jesus may not forgive Christians if they sin. That is a false teaching. Next you claim you are completely free of all sin.

According to the Bible, that would be an untrue statement, because we commit venial sins frequently, even daily. That is why the Lord gave us the Our Father to pray daily. He would not tell us to pray for forgiveness daily if he expected we would never sin.

Jesus Christ forgives ALL sin of the repentant sinner. That is why He died on the cross!
 
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The only way to be repentant is to acknowledge sin. We Catholics speak of being in a "state of grace," which is to be without mortal sin--ie., adultery, fornication, etc.--but acknowledge that we may fall short--ie., venial sin--at any time. Do we not do that which we ought not or not do that which we ought? Do we not have that stray thought?
:confused:How does that refer to what I wrote ?
 
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I think I've been pretty fair with you. I'm not opposed to private revelations. That's why I pointed you towards those books on that subject. So, you won't read anything now? That just makes your world more isolated from getting help on objective truth.

A claim like you're making, if literal, needs to be screened for what the cause might be. Once other causes are eliminated, you need to speak with a spiritual director to validate the private revelation. One test is whether the revelation is in agreement with orthodox Christianity.

My concern is that you're telling people that Jesus may not forgive Christians if they sin. That is a false teaching. Next you claim you are completely free of all sin.

According to the Bible, that would be an untrue statement, because we commit venial sins frequently, even daily. That is why the Lord gave us the Our Father to pray daily. He would not tell us to pray for forgiveness daily if he expected we would never sin.

Jesus Christ forgives ALL sin of the repentant sinner. That is why He died on the cross!
I will try one more time with you. A Christian does not sin. I have showed you much scripture that tells us that is so, and you seem to have ignored all of those verses. Also there have been five Catholic bishops with whom I have shared my revelations with, I told you four in a previous post, but forgot one.

I will relate to you how God goes about keeping one of his from committing any sin.

In the beginning of my ministry I had a habit of thinking negative thoughts about a person who had at one time hurt me. One day after Jesus started teaching me, and meeting a person who had hurt me, and I started thinking negative thought of, I was surprised to find that I could not think anything negative of the person, because my mind was flooded of positive thought of the person. God stopped me from thinking negative of anyone.

Jesus/Holy Spirit will never let me commit a sin, unless I deliberately defy their guidance. If I every would defy their guidance, I would never enter the kingdom of God.
 
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I will try one more time with you. A Christian does not sin. I have showed you much scripture that tells us that is so, and you seem to have ignored all of those verses. Also there have been five Catholic bishops with whom I have shared my revelations with, I told you four in a previous post, but forgot one.

I will relate to you how God goes about keeping one of his from committing any sin.

In the beginning of my ministry I had a habit of thinking negative thoughts about a person who had at one time hurt me. One day after Jesus started teaching me, and meeting a person who had hurt me, and I started thinking negative thought of, I was surprised to find that I could not think anything negative of the person, because my mind was flooded of positive thought of the person. God stopped me from thinking negative of anyone.

Jesus/Holy Spirit will never let me commit a sin, unless I deliberately defy their guidance. If I every would defy their guidance, I would never enter the kingdom of God.

The verses you mentioned were explained to you several times.

If you stumble, Christ will be there to pick you up and forgive you.
 
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With so much emphasis on baptism in the New Testament, people sometimes wonder what they can expect to follow baptism. If our sins are "washed away" in baptism (Acts 22:16), what if we sin again after baptism? Will we need to be baptized every time we sin? This question seems silly to some people; but to others it is a very real concern.

For instance, we must never forget that our salvation ultimately depends upon God’s Grace and not our good deeds. Paul said, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9). The "Grace" of God provided the only sacrifice which could take away our sins. Peter reminds us that we were redeemed "with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ" (I Peter 1:19). You see, I do not depend upon my own righteousness for salvation; but upon the righteousness of Jesus -- the only one who never sinned. Paul taught that God "...made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him" (II Cor 5:21).

Somehow, in the mind of God, the righteousness of Jesus serves as sort of a spiritual umbrella of righteousness over my life. Paul explained that "there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1). If I am "in Christ," then my sins are hidden in the righteousness of Jesus. The words of a sacred song express this thought well:

I’ve been covered over by the robe of righteousness that Jesus gives to me;
I’ve been covered over by the precious blood of Jesus and He lives in me.
What a joy it is to know my Heavenly Father loves me so He gave to me my Jesus
Now when He looks at me He sees not what I used to be, but He sees Jesus.

Do you understand this point? This is the precious privilege of being "in Christ." My sins are "covered over" by the righteousness of Jesus and are not seen by God when I am "in Christ." But it is baptism which puts me "into Christ" and allows me this privilege (Galatians 3:27). Because of Christ and His redemptive work, mankind has the opportunity to grow and mature, even while making mistakes. Our sinful nature is not conquered in a day. Paul said, "There is none righteous, no not one" (Romans 3:10); and he bemoaned his own sinful nature in Romans 7:15-19. Even after baptism, we shall continue to sin on a daily basis. But one who is "in Christ" has the blessing of being forgiven every day and is continually cleansed by the blood of Christ.

Of course, we understand that after baptism we should strive to be pure in thought and deed; but if we sin, the apostle John reminds us that "we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (I John 2:1). John also taught that "if we Confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (I John 1:9). There is an example in Acts 8 which helps us to see how this process works. Shortly after being baptized, a man named Simon again fell into sin. In Acts 8:22, Peter explained to Simon what should be done in the event of sin after baptism. He did not say to be baptized again, but said, "Therefore Repent of this wickedness of yours, and Pray the Lord that if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you." Do you see the procedure? If we Confess our weaknesses, Pray for forgiveness, and Repent of our wrongs, Jesus will plead our case before the Father and continue to cover our sins with His blood (I John 1:7).

However, the scriptures also teach that Willful, Continual sin will not be forgiven. In fact the Hebrew writer said, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of fire which will consume the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27).

God will not allow us to use the cloak of Christ as an excuse to continue in willful and unrepentant sin. But for those who love God and who strive to be disciples of Jesus, a confident assurance can be found "in Christ." John said that those who "believe in the name of the Son of God ... may know that you have eternal life" (I John 5:13). The Lord allows His people the freedom of choice to decide for themselves if they want to remain "in Him," but Jesus promised that "no one shall snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28). Confession of sins, combined with Repentant Prayer, will keep us under the canopy of Christ’s atoning blood.

This is an excellent answer.
 
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Yes that post is why so many people followed the reformers.

Luther, Calvin feed people a line that people want to hear, and Wow a whole new religion was born.

I didn't find much in KimberlyAA's reply that was opposed to Catholic Christianity. She concluded by confirming the teaching of repentance, Confession, and forgiveness of sins.
 
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Anyone claiming to be *with* sin is claiming to be unrepentant and unforgiven . If you were repentant and received forgiveness , you are without sin .

I would say that whoever acknowledges sin is (hopefully) on the road to repentance.

Yes, when I leave Confession, I am without sin, but I probably commit venial sin daily. (But perhaps different people have different definitions of what sin is.)

I normally pray the Our Father (the Lord's Prayer) daily, in which we ask to be forgiven of our daily sins (with the provision that we forgive others).

BTW, This is my new response to your post, and I hope you find it more appropriate to the context.
 
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Anyone claiming to be *with* sin is claiming to be unrepentant and unforgiven . If you were repentant and received forgiveness , you are without sin .
Repentant is an adjective, not a noun. The whole phrase is 'repentant sinner'.

Can you be a repentant non-sinner? What would you have to repent of? Your non-sinning?

Can we be without sin while still living in our fallen fleshly bodies?

We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners.
 
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I would say that whoever acknowledges sin is (hopefully) on the road to repentance.

Yes, when I leave Confession, I am without sin, but I probably commit venial sin daily. (But perhaps different people have different definitions of what sin is.)

I normally pray the Our Father (the Lord's Prayer) daily, in which we ask to be forgiven of our daily sins (with the provision that we forgive others).

BTW, This is my new response to your post, and I hope you find it more appropriate to the context.
Ok . Thanks - I can understand that as relative to my post .

I also see it as true to the general line of thought taught to Catholics - as I was .

Yes , it is dependant on the definitions of "sin" , "repentance" , "confession" , "forgiveness" , and one or two other things . :)
 
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