Sinner

[ConfuseddotCom]

Please explain the concept of being a sinner to me and why we are deemed evil and unworthy and in need of a saviour, I don't understand this concept.

 

[Hakan101]

Please explain the concept of being a sinner to me and why we are deemed evil and unworthy and in need of a saviour, I don't understand this concept.

Well a sin is anything against the will of God. The price of sin is damnation, God has a perfect moral standard. Adam was created without sin, he was perfect. But after Adam freely chose to disobey God, sin became something we inherited from him and now we are born with a sinful nature. Because of that, we can never live a sinless life and be worthy of God's kingdom by our own merits.

Jesus came down to earth and lived a sinless life, and willingly offered that life as payment for our sins. So he became the one person who was able and actually did live a sinless life. God has allowed us to receive salvation by faithing in Jesus, the One who lived a perfect life and who obeys the will of God. Therefore Jesus is our link back to God.

Hope this helps.

 

[Joshua260]

Please explain the concept of being a sinner to me and why we are deemed evil and unworthy and in need of a saviour, I don't understand this concept.

Instead of asking why you might be deemed to be evil, it might be easier to begin to understand the salvation plan by first asking yourself whether or not you have lived up to the standards set by God. Begin by checking yourself against the ten commandments. For example, have you ever lied, stolen, lusted after someone God said not to, or coveted something or someone that belonged to someone else? If none of those, then check the rest.

 

[Albion]

Please explain the concept of being a sinner to me and why we are deemed evil and unworthy and in need of a saviour, I don't understand this concept.

God has standards. He has communicated them to his creation (us). If we fail to live up to them, we are obviously deficient in that regard. That's what a sin is--a falling short of the ideal.

But who among us can always be perfect? None. Therefore none of us actually can deserve anything from God. Still, God being loving by nature, he made a provision by which he did for us what we couldn't do for ourselves in the performance department. If he had not done that, and we all were left to face him and stand on our own merits, we'd fail the test. Therefore, we are in need of a savior and, fortunately, he provided just that.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

So God makes the rules and then makes us to ensure we break them so we beg him for help, that seems very self centred of God.

 

[oi_antz]

So God makes the rules and then makes us to ensure we break them so we beg him for help, that seems very self centred of God.

I am sure the truth shows us that we aren't perfect, and one day we cannot escape that truth. As long as we can live, we can lie. It doesn't last forever.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

I am sure the truth shows us that we aren't perfect, and one day we cannot escape that truth. As long as we can live, we can lie. It doesn't last forever.

Not sure how this relates to my question?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So God makes the rules and then makes us to ensure we break them so we beg him for help, that seems very self centred of God.

Where in the bible does it say that God makes us in such a way as to "ensure" we will break His rules? Isn't that an implication which you are artificially pumping into the argument all on your own?

 

[bling]

So God makes the rules and then makes us to ensure we break them so we beg him for help, that seems very self centred of God.

Generally:

First off: Sin has purpose.

Secondly: Sin is not the problem; just unforgiven sin is a problem.

God at great personal cost allows humans to sin (this is not what He personally desires), but the nonbeliever’s sinning can help him/her to fulfill their earthly objective.

The “rules” are extremely “hard” in that we cannot with just human ability keep from all sins all the time, but these rules are beautiful in that they show God’s holiness, majesty, purity, greatness, and Love. God is very willing to forgive those that do sin if they will humbly repent and turn to Him for help.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Where in the bible does it say that God makes us in such a way as to "ensure" we will break His rules? Isn't that an implication which you are artificially pumping into the argument all on your own?

Well Christians believe God made us so if we break His rules it is because He made us that way?

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Generally:

First off: Sin has purpose.

Secondly: Sin is not the problem; just unforgiven sin is a problem.

God at great personal cost allows humans to sin (this is not what He personally desires), but the nonbeliever’s sinning can help him/her to fulfill their earthly objective.

The “rules” are extremely “hard” in that we cannot with just human ability keep from all sins all the time, but these rules are beautiful in that they show God’s holiness, majesty, purity, greatness, and Love. God is very willing to forgive those that do sin if they will humbly repent and turn to Him for help.

What is the purpose of sin?

God could easily have made us sinless could he not?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well Christians believe God made us so if we break His rules it is because He made us that way?

Hmmm....? Confused.com, which Christians are those? I don't maintain a theology like that.

It sounds like you might want to do some research and challenge the notion of Augustinian "Original Sin." Even though he said some interesting things, I disagree with Augustine.

Peace

 

[food4thought]

God could easily have made us sinless could he not?

Hope you don't mind if I answer this one... God did create humans sinless. But Adam and Eve rejected God's command and went their own way, and every human since has followed the same path in one way or another.

 

[Albion]

So God makes the rules and then makes us to ensure we break them so we beg him for help, that seems very self centred of God.

You begin your reply by saying "So...." but from what I can tell, there's no "so" involved since none of us has told you that the answer is the scenario you then went on to describe.

 

[ananda]

IMO "sin" is anything that goes against the natural order of creation. Sin is warned against, since engaging in it harms our selves (and likely repercussions for others around us as well) in some way, shape, or form, whether on the material or higher planes of existence.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

You begin your reply by saying "So...." but from what I can tell, there's no "so" involved since none of us has told you that the answer is the scenario you then went on to describe.

I guess it is a language thing across the pond, some things Americans say confuse me as well.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Hmmm....? Confused.com, which Christians are those? I don't maintain a theology like that.

It sounds like you might want to do some research and challenge the notion of Augustinian "Original Sin." Even though he said some interesting things, I disagree with Augustine.

Peace

So God didn't create us?

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Hope you don't mind if I answer this one... God did create humans sinless. But Adam and Eve rejected God's command and went their own way, and every human since has followed the same path in one way or another.

If He made us sinless we would not have the ability to sin?

 

[Albion]

I guess it is a language thing across the pond, some things Americans say confuse me as well.

Let me put it another way. When you say "so...," you are attributing a meaning to the statement you are replying to. But that's not a fair thing to do if you then go on to put words into our mouths that we never said, or ideas that we did not promote.

If He made us sinless we would not have the ability to sin?

Again, that's not what he said. And it's not a logical conclusion to be drawn from what you were told.

If your shirt is clean, is it possible that it might become soiled? I'd say yes. In effect, you have said no when suggesting that if man was sinless in the beginning he would not have the ability to sin.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Let me put it another way. When you say "so...," you are attributing a meaning to the statement you are replying to. But that's not a fair thing to do if you then go on to put words into our mouths that we never said, or ideas that we did not promote.

I understood what you said first time 😊 I was merely saying you did not understand the British dialect of English and misconstrue what I said, I never put words in anyone's mouth.

Again, that's not what he said. And it's not a logical conclusion to be drawn from what you were told.

If your shirt is clean, is it possible that it might become soiled? I'd say yes. In effect, you have said no when suggesting that if man was sinless in the beginning he would not have the ability to sin.

Either God made us perfect or he made us flawed? Which?