We all battle the flesh until we pass from this life.1. Romans 7 vs 7 to 23 is interpreted as being post salvation. If this is true...
Why is Paul, who claims to live by faith and not by the law since coming to Christ still struggling with the law?
It would bother most people because it would be a lie - no, it is not a good thing.3. If you came across such a one as has not sinned since salvation, why would this bother you? Is it not a good thing?
Not according to Scripture. (and the Scriptural meaning, Yahuweh's meaning of 'perfect', with is required for disciples of Jesus born again by the will of the Father in heaven).The only one to have ever been perfect while on this earth was Jesus.
Who perfectly knows us, inside and out ? Even our hearts and all of our desires, and our minds, every thought ?We are flesh. We are weak.
Thanks, but it's simply brimming over with conjecture, distraction, and extra-biblical dogma. I can make neither heads nor tails of it. I have all I can do to try to interpret the Bible alone correctly. All of the traditions of Catholicism just make my head swim. Sorry, I guess I'm just a hopeless protestant (meaning "one who is in favor of testing"). Very kind of you to offer clarification, though.
I never thought that was something kind to do.Thanks, but it's simply brimming over with conjecture, distraction, and extra-biblical dogma. I can make neither heads nor tails of it. I have all I can do to try to interpret the Bible alone correctly. All of the traditions of Catholicism just make my head swim. Sorry, I guess I'm just a hopeless protestant (meaning "one who is in favor of testing"). Very kind of you to offer clarification, though.
A kindness can be ill-informed, Jeff.I never thought that was something kind to do.
(That which leads away from the Bible, away from Jesus.)
I got the idea she was saying Mary was also a sinner. She stated "A Saint is just a sinner who tries again." No?Thanks, but it's simply brimming over with conjecture, distraction, and extra-biblical dogma. I can make neither heads nor tails of it. I have all I can do to try to interpret the Bible alone correctly. All of the traditions of Catholicism just make my head swim. Sorry, I guess I'm just a hopeless protestant (meaning "one who is in favor of testing"). Very kind of you to offer clarification, though.
I agree, but the document presented doesn't seem to bear that out. The doctrine of "original sin" is employed, which is squarely at odds with the general definition of sin taught throughout the Bible. Of course, some will argue that "...to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17), but the Bible is clear that sins of ignorance are sins, nonetheless. The degree of guilt may be mitigated but the perfection of God's creation has still been violated. The article is obviously part of a series of apologetics designed to set minds at ease, e.g., for those who are converting to Catholicism for reasons other than purely spiritual. However edifying they may seem to the faithful, they are not intended to convince initiated seekers of truth.I got the idea she was saying Mary was also a sinner. She stated "A Saint is just a sinner who tries again." No?
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HogwashI see no need for an inner warfare except you do not walk in the Spirit, an encouragement Paul clearly gave in Romans 8. Being in the body is not the same as being in the flesh. You are able to be in the body and ignore the lusts of the flesh, as long as you walk in the Spirit. Paul is only encouraging the disciples to walk as the new creatures they have become in Christ, not determining that we will always struggle with the flesh.
If you still struggle with fleshly lusts you have not learned to abide in Christ.
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)I see, so you are sin free then? You never ever sin?
This would thesis would leave the instructions to confess sin and repent from sin curious indeed.I have a few questions for those who believe that one cannot be sinless in this life.
1. Romans 7 vs 7 to 23 is interpreted as being post salvation. If this is true...
Why is Paul, who claims to live by faith and not by the law since coming to Christ still struggling with the law?
2. 1 John 1 is often interpreted as proof that those who say they have achieved sinlessness in this life are liars, Yet in John 2 vs 1 he says he wrote it so that we may stop sinning. Does this not show that you have misinterpreted his intention in chapter 1?
3. If you came across such a one as has not sinned since salvation, why would this bother you? Is it not a good thing?
4. Do you not know that to become sinless is a gift of grace? It is all of Christ and not of man. Are you not aware that no one can be sinless without Christ?
I must conclude from reading the Scriptures that the claim one will never cease from sinning while in the body is heresy and not the doctrine of Christ or his apostles.
The real point is that we continue to have a choice throughout whatever time we have in this life, to live for God, or not. We still have an obligation to be righteous, to strive and at least gain in that endeavor with the help of grace. He'll accomplish that in us, as we respond. Then He judges how well we've done with what we've been given.I have a few questions for those who believe that one cannot be sinless in this life.
1. Romans 7 vs 7 to 23 is interpreted as being post salvation. If this is true...
Why is Paul, who claims to live by faith and not by the law since coming to Christ still struggling with the law?
2. 1 John 1 is often interpreted as proof that those who say they have achieved sinlessness in this life are liars, Yet in John 2 vs 1 he says he wrote it so that we may stop sinning. Does this not show that you have misinterpreted his intention in chapter 1?
3. If you came across such a one as has not sinned since salvation, why would this bother you? Is it not a good thing?
4. Do you not know that to become sinless is a gift of grace? It is all of Christ and not of man. Are you not aware that no one can be sinless without Christ?
I must conclude from reading the Scriptures that the claim one will never cease from sinning while in the body is heresy and not the doctrine of Christ or his apostles.
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