Since reports are fixed... you should probably be told the new Moderation Protocol

[Davidnic]

Here's the thing though, there are obviously differing standards for differing posters. It's not just OBOB for sure, but it certainly happens. I mean someone gets banned for use of the term donkey wang whereas another poster, in full white trash glory, makes threats of phyiscal violence and skates on it. We also have to look at history as well, in the past when threads from the sooper seekrit forums were leeked they've been anything but innocent mod duty discussions. Then, of course, you have posters like Seebs, who had directed mod campaigns run against them. So I suppose what it comes down to is a simple prinicipal, secrets breed suspicisions.

can't argue with some of that. And I can't reshape the past. I can promise that part of my job description is to provide consistency and I will try my best. I can promise that I have always tried to be upfront and direct and not secret or "seekrit"...and I plan on being me. Good or ill for what it's worth.

And our mods try very hard to do a great job and they do. I think this new system will work in the long run to be consistent. If I did not think that I would not say it. I really think it will be positive.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Here's the thing though, there are obviously differing standards for differing posters. It's not just OBOB for sure, but it certainly happens. I mean someone gets banned for use of the term donkey wang whereas another poster, in full white trash glory, makes threats of phyiscal violence and skates on it. We also have to look at history as well, in the past when threads from the sooper seekrit forums were leeked they've been anything but innocent mod duty discussions. Then, of course, you have posters like Seebs, who had directed mod campaigns run against them. So I suppose what it comes down to is a simple prinicipal, secrets breed suspicisions.

What exactly is your problem with me??

 

[WarriorAngel]

I think OBOB mods are very lenient.
And i know we try to bend over backwards to 'help' ppl rather than remove them.
But there comes a point where you can't turn your back on consistent violations.

OBOB can now be moderated by non Catholics... so be careful what you ask for.
You just might get it.

And our staff is sooper sikrit lenient. If you don't think so, you probably have 'no idea'... and i base this on how often we are told we put up with alot. [perhaps way more than any other area] To which i mod other areas, and i know for fact, OBOB is lenient...the most actually.

 

[Miss Shelby]

OBOB can now be moderated by non Catholics... so be careful what you ask for.
You just might get it.

AFAIC, as long as a person has reasonably effective communication skills, the ability to be diplomatic and objective-- I don't care what their faith affiliation is.

 

[colleen]

Warrior when were non-Catholic allowed to start modding? How are they going to know how to mod threads that related to debating Catholic teaching, etc. if they don't know/believe in that teaching?

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

I agree Miss Shelby....what difference could it possibly make-if mods aren't editing for content, but rather just enforcing rules about spamming, trolling, flaming and language?? I don't honestly see why it matters if a mod is Catholic or not-as there should be nothing specific to beig Catholic that ought to be mod-ed for.

Of course that would remove the martyrdom from the whole equation, right--if anyone could do it? Personally I think this forum could run just fine without mods doing much of anything, and posters just hashing out their difficulties or utilizing their ignore feature. Delete spam, delete trolling, delete flaming- delete porn, delete posts that trip or use symbols to trip the swear filter...and leave everything else alone.

 

[colleen]

Shannon- my concern is our forum specific rules regarding Catholic teaching and debating. How is a non-Catholic going to be able to do that?

 

[Miss Shelby]

Shannon- my concern is our forum specific rules regarding Catholic teaching and debating. How is a non-Catholic going to be able to do that?

all they have to do is make sure non Catholics are not debating.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

all they have to do is make sure non Catholics are not debating.

Precisely....if you are not a Catholic you can't argue in here--about anything. IIf a post gets reported for debate- a mod goes, looks at their profile and if they are not Catholic- their post goes to the dust bin and they get a notice.

 

[krstlros]

Without the faith icons, it is virtually impossible to tell who is and who isn't Catholic.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

It's not impossible-it's just laborious....

 

[BAFRIEND]

all they have to do is make sure non Catholics are not debating.

How about this ?

There is a protestant minister in CCR as a mod and I think his first thread in the forum was about how they finally got their own forum.

I have been in a debate forum with this person before where he argued against Church teachings. He uses the term "Father" and "Catholic" in his title, sig, and user ID although his denomination is protestant.

I am not wishing to post anything negative about this person- in fact I have nothing against a moderator from another denom. being a moderator in OBOB and have posted that before- but I know the Churches views on outside clergy and church services in regards to Roman Catholic participation. His presence in CCR in fact could be very confusing to visitors and in fact newer Catholic members. He is not Roman Catholic clergy.

 

[Miss Shelby]

How about this ?

There is a protestant minister in CCR as a mod and I think his first thread in the forum was about how they finally got their own forum.

I have been in a debate forum with this person before where he argued against Church teachings. He uses the term "Father" and "Catholic" in his title, sig, and user ID although his denomination is protestant.

I am not wishing to post anything negative about this person- in fact I have nothing against a moderator from another denom. being a moderator in OBOB and have posted that before- but I know the Churches views on outside clergy and church services in regards to Roman Catholic participation. His presence in CCR in fact could be very confusing to visitors and in fact newer Catholic members. He is not Roman Catholic clergy.

‘could be’ ‘potentially’ confusing is a completely different thing than what we have now which is at least one active Catholic mod who is in a perpetual state of confusion about everything. A moderator should be able to communicate effectively and read and comprehend effectively, period. They don’t have to pass some catechism test, this is a messageboard not a dang seminary or nunnery.

 

[OnTheWay]

can't argue with some of that. And I can't reshape the past. I can promise that part of my job description is to provide consistency and I will try my best. I can promise that I have always tried to be upfront and direct and not secret or "seekrit"...and I plan on being me. Good or ill for what it's worth.

And our mods try very hard to do a great job and they do. I think this new system will work in the long run to be consistent. If I did not think that I would not say it. I really think it will be positive.

And I'm sure you will do your best, didn't mean to imply otherwise. The greater issue here really isn't related so much to CF specifically, but a general issue, namely: the volunteer system. Anything that runs like CF, depending on volunteers that will give fair amounts of time for nothing, is going to have problems enforcing any set of rules, regardless of how well written they are. The mods, as volunteers, are going to feel a fairly natural impluse to some fringe benefits for their time. CF modding isn't some high form of charity like feeding starving children which would discourage feelings of entitlement to a fringe benefit here and there. One of those benefits is always going to come in the form of mods treating people they like differently than people they don't like, or who their friends don't like. Hence my example, donkey wang will get one poster banned while white trash threats can slide for another. Now the oversight provided is always problematic for volunteers, basically the system needs the mods more than it needs a regular user here and there. As such the oversight bodies at CF are going to be remiss to come down on mods save for in the most extreme circumstances. You cannot afford to p--- off the volunteers and have them quit on you.

I'm not sure you can fix this sort of thing. I suppose LeeD could start paying mods, which would change things dramatically. Other than that, without a complicated system of rotating mods, things are as they are. I mean it's just an internet posting board.

 

[JoabAnias]

This whole message board is in a constant state of divorce and flux.

Changes occur faster than they can be absorbed. Its chaos at its best.

Just do the best you can.

 

[BAFRIEND]

‘could be’ ‘potentially’ confusing is a completely different thing than what we have now which is at least one active Catholic mod who is in a perpetual state of confusion about everything. A moderator should be able to communicate effectively and read and comprehend effectively, period. They don’t have to pass some catechism test, this is a messageboard not a dang seminary or nunnery.

I think your point is a bit off in regards to your response to my post.

If I changed my user ID to Father Bob, posted in my title "Ordained Minister", what do you think the result would be ? PS- I am an ordained protestant minister .

It is not just "potentially confusing" when in fact something is presented that can and will inevitably cause people to make a wrong conclusion.

To make things worse- for some reason CF admin. thinks that having religous icons is a crime now.

 

[Miss Shelby]

ba, report this dweeb if he's deliberately giving false credentials. I don't see what that has to do w/ noncats modding in here.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Just for the record- I am not the one name calling.

What I am stating is that someone who mods ina Catholic Forum who uses clergy title from a protestant denom that can be confused as Catholic can make things awkward.

 

[Davidnic]

The person you are talking about, that is their title in their church. Their church is Old Catholic. No one is masquerading as anything and no one claims to be a Catholic priest as we understand it. I understand your worry about confusion but a quick check on the facts of the case and any confusion is avoided for anyone who is confused.

 

[JoabAnias]

Just for the record- I am not the one name calling.

What I am stating is that someone who mods ina Catholic Forum who uses clergy title from a protestant denom that can be confused as Catholic can make things awkward.

Not only awkward but especially laborious in being an effective mod.

The same is experienced in other forums that are ecumenically moderated such as one that I am on.

We have to put aside our personal bias and work together within the guidelines of the forum transcendent of our particular indoctrinations.

What one of a particular culture might find offensive one of another does not so sensibilities are to be put aside.

On top of that its a thankless job.

As you may have noticed Catholics are now a denomination here and the Nicene creed has been removed as the boards statement of faith. It has changed about every other month since I have been here. We know what we believe and we know our purpose is to serve, what others do or don't do is irrelevant. The faith does not change.