Sin is a matter of ones personal conscience.

[Aseyesee]

in a sense he did that and many are experiencing it.

also if he said that it would be true because our conception of "God" and "existence" is probably so wrong that if God said that he probably said it for our sake and so yes it is true because it is foolish to think that a finite creature can comprehend an infinite being.

Interesting proposal ... how can truth lie, yet truth can appear as a serpent, and often does; though there is purpose in a lie, just as their are more children of the desolate.

Without being cut off from God, you cannot be God.

 

[Dave-W]

Well yes; for every verse that says one thing, it seems there's another that says the complete opposite. We all need to draw our own conclusions as to why that is.

I sat in a meeting back in the 1980s in which Dr Derek Prince was the speaker. He started off by holding his arm straight out to the side. He then flexed the arm so his fingers touched his shoulder. Then he repeated the action and asked "Which is right?" Every one looked confused. "Which is right? This;" he extended his arm, "or this?" He flexed it back to his shoulder again. "They are exactly opposite actions. Surely one must be right and the other wrong." He repeated the extend and flex action a couple more times.

No one spoke up. So he said that both were correct at the proper time and situation. He went on to list several "dynamic tensions" in the bible and said that with out opposing truths in the Bible, the body of Christ would be paralyzed; only able to either extend or flex.

The point was to listen to the Holy Spirit to see which verse/action is proper for each different situation.

 

[Aseyesee]

I have already proved that is NOT the case. You are denying scripture to hold that position.

In one form, sin is a mind of degrees that defines something as numerable, or measured; which (among other scriptural pictures) is relative to a husband not your own.

 

[Aseyesee]

I sat in a meeting back in the 1980s in which Dr Derek Prince was the speaker. He started off by holding his arm straight out to the side. He then flexed the arm so his fingers touched his shoulder. Then he repeated the action and asked "Which is right?" Every one looked confused. "Which is right? This;" he extended his arm, "or this?" He flexed it back to his shoulder again. "They are exactly opposite actions. Surely one must be right and the other wrong." He repeated the extend and flex action a couple more times.

No one spoke up. So he said that both were correct at the proper time and situation. He went on to list several "dynamic tensions" in the bible and said that with out opposing truths in the Bible, the body of Christ would be paralyzed; only able to either extend or flex.

The point was to listen to the Holy Spirit to see which verse/action is proper for each different situation.

It goes so much deeper than this ...

God as a son is conceived when a woman is overshadowed.

 

[Dave-W]

In one form, sin is a mind of degrees that defines something as numerable, or measured; which (among other scriptural pictures) is relative to a husband not your own.

It goes so much deeper than this ...
God as a son is conceived when a woman is overshadowed.

???
I have absolutely no idea how what you write has anything to do with what I posted, or even this whole thread.

 

[Aseyesee]

???
I have absolutely no idea how what you write has anything to do with what I posted, or even this whole thread.

Is this thread not about perception ...

 

[Dave-W]

Is this thread not about perception ...

The title says it is about the definition of sin, which is concrete and not affected by perception.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

???
I have absolutely no idea how what you write has anything to do with what I posted, or even this whole thread.

"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."

EDIT: ...seems it might be about perception, as in the question God asked Adam when he suddenly saw himself naked and ashamed, "Where art thou?"

 

[Aseyesee]

The title says it is about the definition of sin, which is concrete and not affected by perception.

I would say the title is about consciousness.

Jesus believed he was in heaven when talking to Nicodemous, the father when answering Philip, the son when acknowledging Peter, and rebuked by him when revealing the lamb that he was; which really has everything to do with this thread, as it does with one in whom there was no sin; the things that make us unclean coming out of us.

 

[PeaceJoyLove]

The title says it is about the definition of sin, which is concrete and not affected by perception.

We perceive from either the dust/earth realm or spirit/kingdom realm. "One" cannot exist while two remain within/duality. Our definition/perception changes/progresses as we grow up into HIM...which has everything to do with perceiving...good/evil, light/darkness and being blind that we might see.

"For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."

 

[SkyWriting]

I have already proved that is NOT the case. You are denying scripture to hold that position.

Thanks, but I don't hold that position. I've been at this Bible study thing a while.

 

[stevenfrancis]

This, then is the one and only definition for sin, refusing the guidance of The Holy Spirit.

Essentially. Our conscience, (IF well formed by grace and catechesis), is where the Holy Spirit of God resides. Since the incarnation, and the sending down of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, the law is "written on the heart" of Christians. When you, with knowledge of right and wrong which is a grace of God through the Holy Spirit, make a conscious decision to do something we know is wrong, we are sinning. When that sin concerns grave matter, (i.e. breaking a commandment for instance), it is a sin which critically wounds our relationship with God. We will still be given the grace because of our baptism to feel guilt, which will help us to seek to repent, and turn away from the sin and return to God's good grace. But we must accept the gift of the grace of God in order to repent, because repentance is an act of human will made possible by grace and faith.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well yes; for every verse that says one thing, it seems there's another that says the complete opposite. We all need to draw our own conclusions as to why that is.

Until you can show me a verse that says the opposite of John 3:16, then I'm going to take it as being true.

 

[Rajni]

Until you can show me a verse that says the opposite of John 3:16, then I'm going to take it as being true.

I already did, in post #106, to which you had responded with John 3:16 as though it negated it.