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Simple question

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Twelve, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. Twelve

    Twelve If you give me a hand, I will help you hold on...

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    Where did it all come from? The big bang, singularity, whatever it is atheists claim created the universe. I have asked over and over again: Where did it come from? Unfortunately, all I have gotten was "we don't know." Is that it? Do you simply say "I don't know" and leave it at that? If so, why? Why not try to figure it out?

    Then comes the question: Where did God come from?
    Simply put, God didn't come from anything. God is a timeless, eternal being.
     
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  2. Allegory

    Allegory Well-Known Member

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    Farts.
     
  3. Twelve

    Twelve If you give me a hand, I will help you hold on...

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    Best answer I've ever gotten. :)
     
  4. Washington

    Washington Well-Known Member

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    Seeing as how you have your answer before even posting the OP, the question is, why bother?
     
  5. acropolis

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    The same thing can be said about whatever natural forces kicked off the universe.

    Not that I agree necessarily, but being timeless and eternal do not need to be exclusive to God.
     
  6. sbvera13

    sbvera13 Senior Member

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    Why is "I don't know" not enough? It's honest, to the point, and has just as much effect on our daily lives as saying "God did it"- that is to say pretty much none. Also, we are trying to figure it out- the people that do are called either physicists or astronomers, depending on what method they choose to use in their investigation. Just because they havn't found a definitive answer yet does not negate the value of the work they are doing. What is it you're trying to get at? Your OP doesn't raise any direct issues, please calrify your question for us so we can respond better.
     
  7. m3th0dm4n

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    It is based from observable data (that can be Googled easily enough). This information can lead one to postulate that the Universe began as a singularity and exploded outwards. It is a theory that can possibly explain the start of the Universe. Just because it doesn't involve God, doesn't mean that it's an Atheist's theory.
     
  8. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    The universe did not come from anything. It is timeless and eternal.:thumbsup:
     
  9. m9lc

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    I dunno.

    Because I don't care. The question has absolutely no relevance to my life.
     
  10. Wiccan_Child

    Wiccan_Child Contributor

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    What would you have them do? Lie?

    Don't you think we're trying?

    And the exact same could be said for the Big Bang. The universe is a timeless, eternal entity.
    As an aside, if you believe your god to be timeless, then it follows that your god can perform no action or undergo change; such things require time to occur.
     
  11. m3th0dm4n

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    I never really understood the reasoning that there needs to be a justification for the existence of the Universe. Considering that 99.999999%* of the Universe is nothingness anyways.

    *Totally made that number up but you get my drift.
     
  12. Allegory

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    4% of the universe is ordinary matter, the rest is dark energy and dark matter.
     
  13. m3th0dm4n

    m3th0dm4n Junior Member

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    Wow that's a much bigger percentage than I thought!
     
  14. Nitron

    Nitron HIKES CAN TAKE A WALK

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    1. "We don't know" is not the same as "we're not trying to figure it out".

    2. If God is timeless and eternal, why can't the universe be timeless and eternal?
     
  15. TeddyKGB

    TeddyKGB A dude playin' a dude disgused as another dude

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    The rest of the stuff, you mean. The universe is mostly empty at the macro scale; quantum mechanics posits a background "foam" at the Planck-scale.
     
  16. Adivi

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    I don't know, but I do know that leading cosmologists and physicists are trying to figure this out. I can't help, obviously, so I'm not bothering to think about it too much at this point.
     
  17. BrainHertz

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    Plenty of people are in fact trying to figure it out. They may or may not succeed in doing so.

    As to your objetion to the "we don't know" answer, why do you have a problem with this? The right answer doesn't have to be the one that is most aesthetically pleasing. If "we don't know" is the response to which the available data points, why should we discard it and pick a different arbitrary answer?

    But how do you know this?
     
  18. eri

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    I think you mean scientists, not atheists. I'm finishing a PhD in astrophysics, and most of the others in the program and in the department are not atheists. But they'll tell you the universe began in the big bang.

    And that's the correct answer. We have theories, and we can probably test some of them in the next few decades (it takes a long time to get an instrument approved, funded, built, and launched). Check back in 20 years or so.

    Of course we're trying to figure it out. Haven't you been reading the Astrophysical Journal? No? Then how did you come to the conclusion no one is working on this?

    If God gets to be timeless, why not the universe? After all, we've got a lot more evidence that the universe exists than we do of a god.
     
  19. moogoob

    moogoob Resident Deist

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    Good point... I agree with you on both points.

    Now, making me agree with you as to the character and actions of whatever being/brain-in-a-jar/etc kick-started the universe is a different story. ;)
     
  20. flatworm

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    I don't know, and neither do you. Scientists are trying to figure it out. Those who plug in their favourite mythology and call it solved are not.

    The reason science doesn't invoke supernatural explanations is not some kind of atheistic bias. We've tried the other way, we really have. Throughout most of human history it was routine to simply invoke a god, a miracle, a spirit, or whatever whenever we ran into something we didn't understand. Throughout all those millenia, though, it never got us anywhere. We tried it, and it doesn't work, so we don't do it any more.

    In fact, using the holes in your knowledge to justify your faith is actually counterproductive to the search for knowledge, because now you've placed yourself in the position of having to defend those holes in defense of your faith. Your faith then becomes a synonym for ignorance and new knowledge becomes its enemy. The products of this sort of thinking litter this forum for anyone to see.
     
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