Silencing Christians

[tulc]

I've often found it odd that in a country where most people identify as Christian, where 90% or better of all politicians identify as Christian, where you can't go more then a mile without a Church being near, where there are hundreds of Christian radio, tv stations and thousands of Christian publications being printed all over the US that Christians feel the need to claim being persecuted in this Country. When there are places where Christians face ACTUAL persecution all over the World it just seems a little...silly.
tulc(just something that occurs to me when I see these threads)

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Everything is political, yes? This country is so Christian, yet mired in sin, perhaps because there aren't enough "liberals" around? Oh, wait, that stuff is permissible, right? I watched up to the point where that girl got her microphone cut off, it's a shame really. She was even well received.

 

[BigBadWlf]

I've often found it odd that in a country where most people identify as Christian, where 90% or better of all politicians identify as Christian, where you can't go more then a mile without a Church being near, where there are hundreds of Christian radio, tv stations and thousands of Christian publications being printed all over the US that Christians feel the need to claim being persecuted in this Country. When there are places where Christians face ACTUAL persecution all over the World it just seems a little...silly.
tulc(just something that occurs to me when I see these threads)

silly.... that sums the whole thing up perfectly

 

[savedandhappy1]

I've often found it odd that in a country where most people identify as Christian, where 90% or better of all politicians identify as Christian, where you can't go more then a mile without a Church being near, where there are hundreds of Christian radio, tv stations and thousands of Christian publications being printed all over the US that Christians feel the need to claim being persecuted in this Country. When there are places where Christians face ACTUAL persecution all over the World it just seems a little...silly.
tulc(just something that occurs to me when I see these threads)

So may I ask what your definition of persecution is?

No we aren't being killed here for our faith, yet, but you really think that someone speaking of God or Jesus should be put in jail? If the folks in Pennsylvania would have been charged with a hate crime, like some wanted, they could have spent 45 years in prison. Does that seem like the America you speak of with your stat like statements?

What is bad is called good and good is called bad, boy the Bible hit that one on the head.

So do you think we should just...............what?

Christians can't speak because that offends. We are told we shouldn't mention God or Jesus, and to save that for Sunday, because it doesn't have any place other then there.

Please tell me you really don't think that is ok, and it is the Christians fault for not just going along with society? We are told don't rock the boat, or that yes it was ok to speak of those things in the past, but times have changed and we have to change with it.

Again please tell me you don't think that this is ok, because the disciples weren't quiet nor should we be.

If it is accepted by society then the church should accept it, is the statement said more often these days. I truely wish this was the American of old that called a sin a sin, and were not silenced for saying the name of the Lord.

No you are right we aren't persecuted like other countries are, but I can seen the USA leaning more and more in that direction everyday. Well at least for those who will not stop speaking/preaching/teaching the Gospel of the Lord anyhow.

Praying the Lord comes Quickly or gives me the strength to stand for the Lord until He does.

 

[HaloHope]

It never ceases to amaze me that while their is real persecution of Christians going on in some countries, (and by "real" I mean, executions, murders, people flung in jail etc.. just for their faith) quite a few American Christians (y'know those in a country that is Christian in a huge majority) seem focussed on their country going the way of more Liberal european countries.

Newsflash: A bunch of Europe may actually consider gays people, but that dosent mean (contrary to what looney tune websites like Lifesite and people from the AFA say) Christians are being chucked in jail for saying they find homosexuality sinful.

There seems to be a whole connatation of "if we give the gays rights we're going to be the ones facing persecution", nonesense. More people might think your a bit of an unpleasent person for having the views you do, but if you think thats persecution I suggest moving to Saudi Arabia.

 

[catlover]

Is that what some Christians see coming? Is that what is happening?

The video is 22 minutes long.

http://www.silencingchristians.com/video4.aspx

Moderators, this may be in the wrong place, and if so please move it. I thought I was on a different site when I posted it, sorry.

These Christians who should have been volunteering in a homeless shelter or visiting a lonely person in a nursing home, were silenced because they were harassing people.

It's a shame some Christians can't find better things to do than harrass homosexuals.

 

[MinervaMac]

So it is ok to keep a person from thanking Jesus for helping them get through high school life?

The video wasn't just about homosexuality, and I realize the section is I just find it amazing how it is all some see.

No it's not ok to do that, I hope the girl wins her case.

And now I have some questions for you. Are hate filled propaganda videos such as the one you asked us to watch ok? Is it ok for Ann Coulter to call liberals 'forces of evil' and 'roaches'? Should Christians watch videos which encourage hate towards a specific group of people and contain insulting hurtful comments directed towards that group?

 

[tulc]

So may I ask what your definition of persecution is?

Hmmmm my view? When people are smacked by society for being or believing a certain way.

No we aren't being killed here for our faith, yet, but you really think that someone speaking of God or Jesus should be put in jail? If the folks in Pennsylvania would have been charged with a hate crime, like some wanted, they could have spent 45 years in prison. Does that seem like the America you speak of with your stat like statements?

Sooooo were they sent to jail for 45 years? What were the consequences for their action?

What is bad is called good and good is called bad, boy the Bible hit that one on the head.

So do you think we should just...............what?

I think we should take our lumps and do what we think is right. If that results in 45 years in jail that's what happens. But being made to move along isn't persecution and it cheapens what those who are actually being persecuted when we claim we "suffer persecution".

Christians can't speak because that offends. We are told we shouldn't mention God or Jesus, and to save that for Sunday, because it doesn't have any place other then there.

No one is saying you can't speak, the problem is they want to be bold but only if they can do it without suffering any consequences. See the difference?

Please tell me you really don't think that is ok, and it is the Christians fault for not just going along with society?

That's not what I said, was it?

We are told don't rock the boat, or that yes it was ok to speak of those things in the past, but times have changed and we have to change with it.

Again that's not what I said. (man I have to work on being clearer in the future)

Again please tell me you don't think that this is ok, because the disciples weren't quiet nor should we be.

But they preached and took their lumps, again those people want to preach boldly...but only if they don't have any problems for doing so.

If it is accepted by society then the church should accept it, is the statement said more often these days. I truely wish this was the American of old that called a sin a sin, and were not silenced for saying the name of the Lord.

Well...as long as you weren't black or Catholic or a Mormon or someone the majority in your area looked down on. In which case you were indeed silenced (sometimes permanently)

No you are right we aren't persecuted like other countries are, but I can seen the USA leaning more and more in that direction everyday. Well at least for those who will not stop speaking/preaching/teaching the Gospel of the Lord anyhow.

Then we should turn the other cheek and suffer the consequences like they do.
tulc(needs some more coffee)

 

[tulc]

Wow savedandhappy1. It appears I answered (#25) your post (#27) some 7 hours before you posted your questions to me. Man I AM good!
tulc(if only these powers could be harnessed for good!)

 

[savedandhappy1]

Wow savedandhappy1. It appears I answered (#25) your post (#27) some 7 hours before you posted your questions to me.Man I AM good!
tulc(if only these powers could be harnessed for good!)

Dang you are good. You need to figure out how o share that.

Hmmmm my view? When people are smacked by society for being or believing a certain way.

Smacked as in if someone isn't physically attacked then it isn't persecution?

Sooooo were they sent to jail for 45 years? What were the consequences for their action?

So the fact that until their arrest and possible charges made the national news they would have been put on trial and if convicted speand that time in jail doesn't make you alittle concerned?

I think we should take our lumps and do what we think is right. If that results in 45 years in jail that's what happens. But being made to move along isn't persecution and it cheapens what those who are actually being persecuted when we claim we "suffer persecution".

They were arrested and spent some time in jail, and that is what I was saying is close to persecution. More happened to them then just told to move along, in fact they were ask to move to another area and they did that. They were arrested after they moved to the area they were ask to go to. Again, does that seem fair?

No one is saying you can't speak, the problem is they want to be bold but only if they can do it without suffering any consequences. See the difference?

Didn't hear any of them say that, they were shocked over the fact that they moved like ask and then arrested. The problem is the fact that they were going to charge them with a hate crime for reading the bible and singing gospel/christian songs in public. So do you see what they were doing as a hate crime?

That's not what I said, was it?

If I thought that was for sure what you were saying I wouldn't have ask if that was what you were meaning.

Again that's not what I said. (man I have to work on being clearer in the future)

Maybe it is me, because I didn't say you said this, but was meaning that society is saying this.

But they preached and took their lumps, again those people want to preach boldly...but only if they don't have any problems for doing so.

So we should be ok with going back to being put in prison, beaten, stoned to death, hung, etc. if we what to follow the Great Commission?

Well...as long as you weren't black or Catholic or a Mormon or someone the majority in your area looked down on. In which case you were indeed silenced (sometimes permanently)

Sorry had a really long, stressful day and night so I'm not for sure I get what you are meaning. Sorry.

Then we should turn the other cheek and suffer the consequences like they do.
tulc(needs some more coffee)

If all they do is slap a cheek ok, but do you not see how things are leading up to us getting back to the days of old? We are told these days will come, and I can see it happening. It just is still shocking to me that in my life time I have seen such a change here in the USA from the respect and honor that used to be given to the Lord and Christians as compared to what I see today. The way some Christians themselves act is also very shocking and sad, and all I can say is come Quickly Lord come Quickly!!

 

[savedandhappy1]

It never ceases to amaze me that while their is real persecution of Christians going on in some countries, (and by "real" I mean, executions, murders, people flung in jail etc.. just for their faith) quite a few American Christians (y'know those in a country that is Christian in a huge majority) seem focussed on their country going the way of more Liberal european countries.

They were flung in jail so why are you amazed that people would think that is persecution?

 

[savedandhappy1]

What is wrong with the post???????

tulc, I posted a response and it is in the wrong place also, nd it is coming in as post #27 now. This is so weird.

 

[savedandhappy1]

These Christians who should have been volunteering in a homeless shelter or visiting a lonely person in a nursing home, were silenced because they were harassing people.

It's a shame some Christians can't find better things to do than harrass homosexuals.

Lets see even Jesus said the poor will always be with us.

By the way do you know that any of those arrested don't also do volunteer work or visit? If you show up where a gay parade is then that means you don't do anything else for the Lord? Interesing!

Praying and singing hymns along with reading the bible is harassing people? Yeah why couldn't they do something non-Christlike and secular like the others were?

Yeah it's a shame that Christians are said to be harassing when they were doing and going where the police told them to. It is also a shame that the people that were holding up the tall pink signs and verbally attacking and shoving the Christians were not considered to be harassing anyone.

I have seen a video from that day and frankly didn't seen any harassing on the part of the Christians, but I guess we see what we want to see.

The homosexuals were blocking the sidewalk and a women who lived in the area and used a walker couldn't get by until the bad Christians ask the police to help clear a path for her to get home. But yeah your right it was those awful Christians that are always wrong for trying to spread the gospel in a public area. What were they thinking?

Don't kow where this post will end up because things are posting really weird.

 

[savedandhappy1]

No it's not ok to do that, I hope the girl wins her case.

And now I have some questions for you. Are hate filled propaganda videos such as the one you asked us to watch ok? Is it ok for Ann Coulter to call liberals 'forces of evil' and 'roaches'? Should Christians watch videos which encourage hate towards a specific group of people and contain insulting hurtful comments directed towards that group?

So nothing is truthful in the video because Ann Coulter says something on it?

Hate filled propaganda???????????????? Well I guess we see what we want to see, and so I guess that means nothing on the video is correct and an increasing problem? Ok.

 

[catlover]

Lets see even Jesus said the poor will always be with us.

By the way do you know that any of those arrested don't also do volunteer work or visit? If you show up where a gay parade is then that means you don't do anything else for the Lord? Interesing!

Praying and singing hymns along with reading the bible is harassing people? Yeah why couldn't they do something non-Christlike and secular like the others were?

Yeah it's a shame that Christians are said to be harassing when they were doing and going where the police told them to. It is also a shame that the people that were holding up the tall pink signs and verbally attacking and shoving the Christians were not considered to be harassing anyone.

I have seen a video from that day and frankly didn't seen any harassing on the part of the Christians, but I guess we see what we want to see.

The homosexuals were blocking the sidewalk and a women who lived in the area and used a walker couldn't get by until the bad Christians ask the police to help clear a path for her to get home. But yeah your right it was those awful Christians that are always wrong for trying to spread the gospel in a public area. What were they thinking?

Don't kow where this post will end up because things are posting really weird.

They weren't there to praise and sing songs to the Lord they were there to harrass homosexuals.

They had what they had coming to them---

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

Lets see even Jesus said the poor will always be with us.

By the way do you know that any of those arrested don't also do volunteer work or visit? If you show up where a gay parade is then that means you don't do anything else for the Lord? Interesing!

Praying and singing hymns along with reading the bible is harassing people? Yeah why couldn't they do something non-Christlike and secular like the others were?

When it's intended to harass, then yes they should do something else. This is a parade for people to say they're ok with who they are, and yet these people came in and told them they're going to hell. I'd say that's harassment. If it was gays going into a church telling Christians they're wrong, I'd be saying the same thing. Reversed, of course.

See, thing is, you have all the right to believe what you won't, but don't(ok, horrible pun coming but it's all I could think of) rain on their parade.

 

[catlover]

When it's intended to harass, then yes they should do something else. This is a parade for people to say they're ok with who they are, and yet these people came in and told them they're going to hell. I'd say that's harassment. If it was gays going into a church telling Christians they're wrong, I'd be saying the same thing. Reversed, of course.

See, thing is, you have all the right to believe what you won't, but don't(ok, horrible pun coming but it's all I could think of) rain on their parade.

It's okay for fundamentalist Christians to harrass others--it's considered "loving", and "the truth" because it's in the so called "Word". The funny thing is, is when you give it right back to them, they wine...this board is a lovely example for starters.

 

[tulc]

Never mind, I don't want savedandhappy1 to feel ganged up on.
tulc(hopes your night is blessed!)

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

It's okay for fundamentalist Christians to harrass others--it's considered "loving", and "the truth" because it's in the so called "Word". The funny thing is, is when you give it right back to them, they wine...this board is a lovely example for starters.

I know, it's great. Good for a kick or two. Say whatever you want to others, but once they say something back they pull the "we're being oppressed D:" card. (they, of course, being the people who actually do this, not Christians in general)

 

[MinervaMac]

So nothing is truthful in the video because Ann Coulter says something on it?

Hate filled propaganda???????????????? Well I guess we see what we want to see, and so I guess that means nothing on the video is correct and an increasing problem? Ok.

Yes it is propaganda, it's using the misfortune of others to stir up hatred against liberals by saying 'oh look at what those evil liberals are doing, , we need to fight them and defeat them'

I do believe that anything Ann Coulter is part of is suspect because that woman has shown herself time and time again to glory in hurting others, it's attack, attack, attack from her, there is no love, no kindness, no peace, no gentleness, she causes strife and misery with the cruel things that come from her mouth and pen, it's saddening to see my conservative brothers and sisters waving her banner, I would advise you to be more careful in the company you keep, and to pick your hero's more carefully.