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Silence In Heaven For Half An Hour

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The reason I said that Yom is Light is because, not only is it true, (for Elohim calls the Yom, Light, Gen 1:5), but because yom therefore may be any increment of time, not just what we call in modern reckoning a "day". We find in the scripture a yom for a day in many, many places, but we also find a year for a day when the spies brought back an evil report on the land, (forty years for the forty days they went to spy out the land). Then we also find a day for a year in the Prophet Ezekiel, for the days he is commanded to lay on his right and left sides for the transgressions of Yhudah and Yisrael, each day for a year. We also find that one day is as a thousand years with the Master, and a thousand years are as one day, (2Pet 3:8), and this is likely based on Psalm 90, (a prayer of Mosheh), where we find that a thousand years in the eyes of the Most High are as yesterday when it is passed, and as a watch in the night, which is a mere four hours.

If therefore a yom may be a day, and a yom may be a year, and a yom may be as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one yom, and as a watch of the night which is a mere four hours, then no doubt a yom may also be an hour: for it is an hour of light, for yom is light, (Gen 1:5, according to the name which Elohim Himself names it when He calls the Light, Yom).

We therefore have the sacred calendar day laid out for us in the opening creation account: seven yamim-hours in the yom-day wherein Elohim made Earth and Heavens, (He made all in a single yom-day according to the statement in Gen 2:4). And we therefore also have the twelve hour civil calendar day laid out for us in Numbers 7, wherein each prince of the twelve tribes offers the korban offering for his tribe, each prince in his own yom-hour, (Num 7:11), of the yom-day wherein the altar was anointed, (read carefully: every yom offering occurs within the single yom-day wherein the altar was anointed, Num 7:10, Num 7:84).

The question from the Master to his talmidim-disciples in John 11:9, "Are there not twelve hours of the day?", cannot rightfully be answered except from the scripture: for we are all to be taught of Elohim, and the Master himself repeats this from Isaiah the Prophet in John 6:45, (prophets, plural, Isa 54:13 and probably also intending Jer 31:34). The answer to the question that is pleasing to the Father would therefore come from His Word, not of man teachers.

So if we were to take the question as pointed also to ourselves, as well as to his talmidim, how shall we answer it? Shall we say, "Oh, yes indeed, there are twelve hours in a day because the Sanhedrin says so"??? (Unacceptable). Shall we say, "Oh, yes of course, Roman time keeping tells us there are twelve hours of day and twelve hours of night"??? This too would be unacceptable: for if indeed we are taught of Elohim by His Word then the pleasing answer must come from His Word and our understanding of it, having been taught by Him and His Word in such matters, as in all things.

The only place one may find a teaching of twelve hours in a day is Numbers 7, but what we read in English translations are for the most part misleading in this respect, and therefore a study of the original language is necessary. There is no need for me to try to explain all of the reasons why, and bog down this thread: anyone who is interested can research these things for themselves, and may Elohim bless their understanding in their prayerful studies in His Word.
I also believe these are Messianic Jews in israel who will reign with Christ for the 1000 years.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



I believe their persecution will begin next year.


Daniel 11:33
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.


How do you help someone being persecuted on the other side of the world?
They won't be able to buy anything for 42 months.I know they don't die of hunger .They are not to carry any script.,"the workman is worthy of his meat".
But how do you help them ?You cant give them a bottle of water from the other side of the world ,can you?
 
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It can be confusing and there have been some things I've found hard to understand ,but others I understood well.
I remember reading 2 Peter and thinking about the creation days .I started to understand the 1000 year reign in revelation was one day and that day was the Sabbath.Years later I was reading the general epistle of Barnabas and found that he had taught in the first century the same thing I had already come to believe .

– Epistle of Barnabas 15:3-5

Nice.

One of the earlier problems with English translations was a problem with Greek verb tenses, and this can be seen by comparing the KJV with later versions in places like Romans 15:8 and Galatians 3:24, (because at the time the KJV was translated it was not even yet known that the N/T is written in Koine Greek). Both of the following, the KJV and the YLT, (Young's Literal Bible Translation), read from the Textus Receptus, (the same Greek text).

Romans 15:8 KJV
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Romans 15:8 YLT
8 And I say Jesus Christ to have become a ministrant of circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises to the fathers,

Galatians 3:24 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:24 YLT
24 so that the law became our child-conductor--to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

Was and became or has become are not the same thing and the problem is a misunderstanding of certain verb tenses. The same problem exists in some of the other extra-Biblical writings that have been rendered in the past, including the Epistle of Barnabas. With a slight correction in just a few of the verb tenses it actually reads as though the author of Barnabas was following the LXX chronology and had counted almost six thousand years to the first advent of Meshiah: for he places the crucifixion and resurrection near or at the end of the sixth great day of 1000 years.

I just got through posting my reading of this same Barnabas passage which you have quoted to one of my threads in the MJ board, which is a discussion concerning much more of what I have already offered here in this thread: the sacred and civil calendar days, based on what is written in the scripture.


Shalom-Peace, friend. :)
 
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Nice.

One of the earlier problems with English translations was a problem with Greek verb tenses, and this can be seen by comparing the KJV with later versions in places like Romans 15:8 and Galatians 3:24, (because at the time the KJV was translated it was not even yet known that the N/T is written in Koine Greek). Both of the following, the KJV and the YLT, (Young's Literal Bible Translation), read from the Textus Receptus, (the same Greek text).

Romans 15:8 KJV
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Romans 15:8 YLT
8 And I say Jesus Christ to have become a ministrant of circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises to the fathers,

Galatians 3:24 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:24 YLT
24 so that the law became our child-conductor--to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous,

Was and became or has become are not the same thing and the problem is a misunderstanding of certain verb tenses. The same problem exists in some of the other extra-Biblical writings that have been rendered in the past, including the Epistle of Barnabas. With a slight correction in just a few of the verb tenses it actually reads as though the author of Barnabas was following the LXX chronology and had counted almost six thousand years to the first advent of Meshiah: for he places the crucifixion and resurrection near or at the end of the sixth great day of 1000 years.

I just got through posting my reading of this same Barnabas passage which you have quoted to one of my threads in the MJ board, which is a discussion concerning much more of what I have already offered here in this thread: the sacred and civil calendar days, based on what is written in the scripture.


Shalom-Peace, friend. :)
Barnabas is talking about Christs second advent at the end of 6000 years which looks to be in about 4 years or so.

Therefore, children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, everything will come to an end. And He rested on the seventh day. He means this; when His Son will come, He will abolish the time of the Lawless One, will judge the ungodly, and will change the sun and the moon and the stars. Then He will truly rest on the seventh day.


Christ has not come and abolished the time of the lawless one.In fact I'm expecting the man of sin to give the Israeli government a host just next year.

Christ destroys the beast and the false prophet when he comes.Then he will rest.
 
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The Seventh Seal

Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.

We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun. God is eternal, His ways are not our ways. Anyway, the Bible informs us twice that one day in heaven is like [as] 1000 years on earth. Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 Genesis speaks of ‘6 days’ of creation, it seems more logical that they were actually 1000 year periods, or allegorically pointing to God’s 7000 year Plan for the earth.

We have a date for the completion of the 6000 year era of mankind’s rule, obtained from the careful addition of the given Biblical time periods and the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 29/30 AD. Luke 3:1 2

The three tranches of 2000 years: Adam to Abraham, Abraham to Jesus. The first Advent to the glorious Return, then the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus. Gods 7000 year Plan for Mankind on the physical earth.

It had been assumed that the ‘half hour’ starts soon after the Sixth Seal and finishes at the commencement of the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. That is: 3½ years before the Return. But the Sixth Seal commences the Wrath of God and the Lamb, Rev. 6:17, then we see it isn’t until the completion of the Great Tribulation, that the Wrath of God is finished. Revelation 15:1

The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of about 20 earth years. But that is only the centre of a range of years possible because it is "about" a half-hour.
Calculating the range of years is based upon statistical rules: Since the text tells us a half-hour, we examine the next divisible time period which is a quarter-hour. We simply find the distance between 30 minutes and 15 minutes (above and below) and find the half-way points. This gives us +/- 5 centred on 20 years. Therefore the range is from 15 years to 25 years. If the actual year is outside of this range, then the Revelation account would have read "about a quarter of an hour” or “about three-quarters of an hour." But, Revelation says "about a half-hour." Thus we know it can't be outside the range of 15 to 25 years (including anything in between) otherwise "about an half-hour" would be wrong .\


Therefore if, as seems likely, if the Sixth Seal – the great and terrible Day of the Lord, happens very soon – then the Seventh Seal follows immediately afterwards. So that will be the period of ‘silence in heaven’ but of tumult and huge changes on earth!

A lot must happen during that time – the regeneration of the Land, many prophesies about that – the Lord will send rain. Then the gathering, and settling of His people, again many prophecies – houses rebuilt, land productive... The selection of the 144,000, The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return in 2031.

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.
 
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Then the glorious Return in 2031.

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.
Marking this post for a revisit on 1/1/32 to see where you move the goalposts this time. I must say it is impressive how you never tire of moving the goalposts after each failed prediction.
 
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Marking this post for a revisit on 1/1/32 to see where you move the goalposts this time. I must say it is impressive how you never tire of moving the goalposts after each failed prediction.
Well, I don't worry, as everything will be changed when the Sixth Seal; Day of fiery wrath strikes.

The truth is: the Seventh Seal is simply a time gap of about 20 earth years, which I see as extending past the glorious Return.

The Lord is not slow in the fulfilment of His plans.
 
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