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(And now I will await the inevitable response listing all the imaginary attributes of "The Beast" and his magical powers, and all million different but all perfectly correct undetstanding of the Revelation, and why "Enoch" is the most important book that was never in the Bible.

BTW, who do you reckon is the Beast this time? Harris or Trump? :rocket:
 
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This must refer to some intelligent beings who existed before the creation of the visible heavens and earth
In the beginning means the beginning of time. The start of time, space, and creation itself according to Judeo-Christian belief.
 
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Nah, just unwillig to wander off into cloud cuckooland with blather about spacemen, flying saucers, nephilim, human-angelic hybrids, and the tons of other new-agey syncretistic woowoo rubbish that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christian faith. We have too bloody many people now playing at being Jewish, playing at magic under a variety of pious-sounding names, playing with every supersitition or rediscovered heresy thay can find in "popular theology", because the Gospel just isn't entertaining enough. We have people who claim to believe that the earth is flat and that the sun is a light-bulb hung from a drop cord from a glass ceiling, and believe that it's a Biblical belief. Most have never read the entire New Testament, but boy howdy, can they ever quote the miserable Book of Enoch! A good many of them will opine that our Lord ascended into Heaven via flying saucer, and most have no more understanding of the Triune nature of God and Christology 101 than they do of Particle Physics.

So yeah, let's join the Leave Your Mind Behind movement and ruminate about "extraterrestrial" origins of angels and the perfidy of "The Watchers". We need less religion and more superstition! We long for less talk of omnipotent God and more about omnipotent conspiracies. Want fill churches? That's the way to do it.

The new Biblical illiterati know the Revelation inside and out. But I sometimes wonder if Yeats didn't see the real nature of "The Beast"

"The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"
I agree overall, that there are plenty of low signal-to-noise-ratio ideas out there, yet possible true insights are mixed in with them. Consider, for instance, "A good many of them will opine that our Lord ascended into Heaven via flying saucer,". The account in Luke does not tell us how Jesus ascended but we have in some of our minds the imaginative artistic illustrations from the children's Bible story books of youth showing Jesus ascending into the sky without any means of doing so, as though he were levitating like a Hindu guru. Luke does not say that he ascended this way but rather, that "he was taken up". Some means of his ascent was involved; it was "unidentified".
 
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. The account in Luke does not tell us how Jesus ascended
There ya are! Gotta run a flying saucer in whenever the opportunity presents itself. Toss in some Watchers, a couple of Nephilim, and invoke the Power of satan just for lagniappe, and you've got a pefect view of where 21st century Protestantism is headed.

I'll pass; I don't want some, I've already had any. If I wanted to be a neo-pagan I'd join the idiotic "Wiccans".
 
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There ya are! Gotta run a flying saucer in whenever the opportunity presents itself. Toss in some Watchers, a couple of Nephilim, and invoke the Power of satan just for lagniappe, and you've got a pefect view of where 21st century Protestantism is headed.

I'll pass; I don't want some, I've already had any. If I wanted to be a neo-pagan I'd join the idiotic "Wiccans".
How does a physical mechanism (in Jesus's ascent) infer the work of the Devil or paganism? Please explain. Was it the work of the Devil (or Nephilim or ...) when a strong wind was used to part the waters in the Exodus? In that case, the scriptures state the physical mechanism used by Yahweh to effect the "miracle".
 
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How does a physical mechanism (in Jesus's ascent) infer the work of the Devil or paganism?
Because it's, at best, made-up rubbish. It has nothing whatsoever with the Christian Faith, but is simply the product of secular imaginings. The only "spirit" involed, IMO, is the zeitgeist.
Please explain. Was it the work of the Devil (or Nephilim or ...)
No, it's simply a matter of lobbing a sack of secular blatherskite into a realm where it has no business.
when a strong wind was used to part the waters in the Exodus? In that case, the scriptures state the physical mechanism used by Yahweh to effect the "miracle".
Strong winds are matters of fact. Flying saucers are matters of speculation at best, and solely matters of worldly imaginings at worst. They have no place in Scriptural matters. You may believe in flying saucers if you like, and you may believe that there are endless misunderstood references to them in Scripture. But that's simply a matter of your own opinion, and your own imaginings.
 
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Because it's, at best, made-up rubbish. It has nothing whatsoever with the Christian Faith, but is simply the product of secular imaginings. The only "spirit" invo[v]led, IMO, is the zeitgeist.
You mean that it has nothing whatsoever to do with your conception of the ascension. Since you weren't there, how do you know how it happened? If you have a good alternative explanation, let's hear it.
Do you also deny that a "strong wind" parted the yam suph (Reed Sea) of the Exodus?
No, it's simply a matter of lobbing a sack of secular blatherskite into a realm where it has no business.

Strong winds are matters of fact. Flying saucers are matters of speculation at best, and solely matters of worldly imaginings at worst.
Did I write "flying saucers"? All you are emitting is steam, not reason nor factuality. I cannot respond to that rationally.
They have no place in Scriptural matters. You may believe in flying saucers if you like, and you may believe that there are endless misunderstood references to them in Scripture. But that's simply a matter of your own opinion, and your own imaginings.
 
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