Signature failures.

[lucaspa]

So the question remains...why do the Theo-Evos accept one scientific impossibility...then deny another?

Very simple. YEC is a scientific theory. We have scientific that says it is wrong. The Resurrection is data and we can't use theory to say data is wrong.

 

[Larry]

What is evolutionism?

By adding the "ism" at the end of the word 'evolution', the scientific theory in reduced to mere faith, and therefore is placed in the same arena as any religion or blind faith. It is subtle, but effective.

 

[lucaspa]

No fakes were made of the originals,

The originals are fakes. That is, the Inca stones that show dinos were made by a modern human to make money.

this came from a non-creationist site:

The rumors of Dr. Cabrera's collection have brought tourists to the area, seeking what they are assured are the "real stones." Steede found that the artist managed to emulate the style on the Ica stones, but his technique was not quite as good. Moreover, the tell-tale varnish was absent from his grooves.
Here is the website: http://www.viewzone.com/dinostone.ica.html

It is doubtful that this is a non-creationist site.

 

[lucaspa]

By adding the "ism" at the end of the word 'evolution', the scientific theory in reduced to mere faith, and therefore is placed in the same arena as any religion or blind faith. It is subtle, but effective.

Larry, if you don't mind I'd like Ark Guy's, and only Ark Guy's, response to the question.

 

[notto]

The originals are fakes. That is, the Inca stones that show dinos were made by a modern human to make money.


It is doubtful that this is a non-creationist site.

Actually, it appears to be your standard 'Chariots of the Gods' type site. The content is certainly questionable, but they have a great Vortex Map (just in case you need one ).

 

[Larry]

Larry, if you don't mind I'd like Ark Guy's, and only Ark Guy's, response to the question.

No problem. I would like to hear from him about this, too.

 

[ThePhoenix]

Your evolutionISM sure limits Jesus Christ and strips him of his special creation as presented in Genesis.

Jesus didn't create the world, God did. God certainly created a very special world, the one we live in. So what does the evolution rob Jesus of?

 

[wblastyn]

It is doubtful that this is a non-creationist site.

Your typical I-was-abducted-by-aliens-conspiracy-theory-believing-people go for that type of thing as well.

 

[Bulldog]

Somone should make a signature: " If science contradicts scripture, than it is our interpretation of science that is wrong."

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Somone should make a signature: " If science contradicts scripture, than it is our interpretation of science that is wrong."

The problem is that misinterpretation of Scripture is more likely. Look at all the conflicting interpretations of Scripture on these forums. On every issue, at least one side is misinterpreting Scripture.

The second problem is that there isn't that much room for interpretation in established science.

 

[Bushido216]

Somone should make a signature: " If science contradicts scripture, than it is our interpretation of science that is wrong."

Ugh...

 

[Bulldog]

All I'm saying is this: we KNOW that the scriptures are infallible (because they are inspired by God), but we do not know that science is infallible because it is a MAN-MADE. My faith is not dependant on what scientists DO but what Christ DID.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

All I'm saying is this: we KNOW that the scriptures are infallible (because they are inspired by God), but we do not know that science is infallible because it is a MAN-MADE. My faith is not dependant on what scientists DO but what Christ DID.

How are they infallible when Jesus himself took issue with some of them?

How can they be wrong according to Jesus and yet infallible at the same time?

 

[Godzman]

Jesus didn't create the world, God did. God certainly created a very special world, the one we live in. So what does the evolution rob Jesus of?

There is no Theos without Christos, no one has seen God except what is revealed through Jesus Christ.

 

[ThePhoenix]

There is no Theos without Christos, no one has seen God except what is revealed through Jesus Christ.

Then what did Moses see?

 

[Bushido216]

All I'm saying is this: we KNOW that the scriptures are infallible (because they are inspired by God), but we do not know that science is infallible because it is a MAN-MADE. My faith is not dependant on what scientists DO but what Christ DID.

You're right. Scripture is infallible. However, there are many ways of interpreting Scripture. If you take it literally, that's still one way of interpreting it. Since sound science contradicts a literal Genesis, we should re-evaluate the way we look at it.

 

[lucaspa]

All I'm saying is this: we KNOW that the scriptures are infallible (because they are inspired by God), but we do not know that science is infallible because it is a MAN-MADE. My faith is not dependant on what scientists DO but what Christ DID.

LOL! Another person denying that God created.

There is no place in scripture where they are said to be infallible. And, in fact, Mark 10 and Matthew 19 have Jesus saying that a part of scripture is out and out wrong.

What's more, Christians over the years have decided that certain interpretations of scripture are wrong. Christians used to think that the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the solar system based on scripture. We now know that those ways of reading scripture are wrong.

What we have here is a discussion about why you think Genesis 1-3 isn't in the category of the flat and immovable earth passages.

Finally, what is science? It is the study of the physical universe. Who made the physical universe? God. Thus science is the study of God's second book -- His Creation. What you are saying is that we should ignore God and concentrate on a man-made interpretation of parts of the Bible. I don't think so.

And what does evolution have to do with what Christ did? I don't see the connection.

 

[lucaspa]

Somone should make a signature: " If science contradicts scripture, than it is our interpretation of science that is wrong."

Can't. To do that means that you are denying God. And no one wants to be in that position.

 

[lucaspa]

There is no Theos without Christos, no one has seen God except what is revealed through Jesus Christ.

ThePhoenix gave an excellent response. I would add:
Who were the prophets receiving info from?
Who communicated to Abraham?

Judaism existed for at least 1,500 years before Jesus was born. Are you saying that nothing was revealed to them?

In 2 Timothy when Paul says that scripture is useful, you realize that he was not referrign to the NT? The NT hadn't been written yet! None of the gospels had been written when Paul was writing his letters. And he did not consider his letters to be scripture. (we should think really hard about that one.)