shouldnt the ClC be added?

[RadMan]

I thought better of you Rad. Too bad, really.

Go ahead, report me to a real mod. I've had so many other insults hurled at me today,

Edited: Not worth replying to.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Thank you.

I had heard about that and honestly, I can see why WELS would take that position. But then in a few years it would be easier to take another small step...

It really comes down to just one more abuse of the government to deny a prisoner religious need.

That was exactly the reason give, too, for their not pushing the issue. It was too much walking a fine line and many people were saying "if we allow it here, where will we allow it next?"

And they were right to do so, and the WELS was right to scrap the idea - and they did so with help and encouragement from their sister synods.

 

[RadMan]

When will the ultra conservatives realize that as long as rocks are being thrown, the defenses will stay up and the majority of the synod will completely ignore their rants?

That's exactly the same thing the liberals are saying to the conservatives. And they are getting the upper hand. Happy clappy time.




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[BigNorsk]

In answer to the original question, there really isn't any need to add each individual synod to the category label. The subforum is for the more "conservative" synods, like the LCMS/WELS.....

The synods listed are really just an example of what is meant. They should not be taken to be a complete listing. A complete listing would be way, way too long to post.

Marv

 

[Tofferer]

In answer to the original question, there really isn't any need to add each individual synod to the category label. The subforum is for the more "conservative" synods, like the LCMS/WELS.....

The synods listed are really just an example of what is meant. They should not be taken to be a complete listing. A complete listing would be way, way too long to post.

Marv

I agree. Given the number of different branches of the Christian church that call themselves Lutheran, it would take more time and work than anyone should be required to do. Now if somebody really wanted to spend that much time researching and analyzing every belief statement of every Lutheran body, they are more than welcome to. However, what we already have here seems to work well. I see no real reason to try and change it at this time.

 

[porterross]

That's exactly the same thing the liberals are saying to the conservatives. And they are getting the upper hand. Happy clappy time.




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Not in any LCMS church I know of, Rad. You keep applying worst-case scenarios to EVERY congregation and it only makes whatever point you might be trying to make less valid. The people you are falling in line with indeed use extreme liberal tactics. I'm glad you have come to that conclusion...FINALLY!!! This is the point most of us have been trying to get across to you...sheesh.

Your the one who has stated traditional hymns and services are not your preference, so it seems you are accusing the rest of us of falling into the modern trappings of the very worship approach that you advocate. Make up your bloody mind.

 

[RadMan]

Not in any LCMS church I know of, Rad. You keep applying worst-case scenarios to EVERY congregation and it only makes whatever point you might be trying to make less valid. The people you are falling in line with indeed use extreme liberal tactics. I'm glad you have come to that conclusion...FINALLY!!! This is the point most of us have been trying to get across to you...sheesh.

Your the one who has stated traditional hymns and services are not your preference, so it seems you are accusing the rest of us of falling into the modern trappings of the very worship approach that you advocate. Make up your bloody mind.

Happy Clappy is a BIG difference from truly Christian contemporary songs set in a modified Divine service.

There's a big difference also between "extreme liberal tactics" and the truth. My points are very valid.

 

[DaRev]

Happy Clappy is a BIG difference from truly Christian contemporary songs set in a modified Divine service.

This is true.

There's a big difference also between "extreme liberal tactics" and the truth. My points are very valid.

But you are applying your point Synod wide and that is simply not true at all. Try listening to folks from within the Synod instead of the cry babies from outside.

 

[LutherMan]

My LCMS parish is waaaaay more orthodox and traditional than my sister's WELS parish which is less than a mile away.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

My LCMS parish is waaaaay more orthodox and traditional than my sister's WELS parish which is less than a mile away.

How so?

 

[LutherMan]

We use the liturgy and Lutheran hymnody and they have praise/contemp stuff, and they also studied a Rick Warren book for "Bible Stdy" class.

 

[porterross]

We use the liturgy and Lutheran hymnody and they have praise/contemp stuff, and they also studied a Rick Warren book for "Bible Stdy" class.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

That's it?!

Oh boy. I did my homework and looked at your other posts. You have a skewed idea of what the WELS stands for.

Perhaps you might like to visit our website and acquaint yourself with what we believe. We're not going reformed, that's for sure. Many of our WELS churches have been able to implement contemporary praise into their highly traditional liturgical services, and we use a liturgically sound hymnal as well. Just because it's called Christian Worship doesn't make it any less Lutheran than the Lutheran Hymnal or the LBW or whatever hymnal your LCMS church uses.

As for Rick Warren, I'd be willing to be it was a bible study on the "hollowness" of the book. Several churches in my area (ooh, an LCMS one included) did that study.

 

[LutherMan]

That's it?!

Oh boy. I did my homework and looked at your other posts. You have a skewed idea of what the WELS stands for.

Perhaps you might like to visit our website and acquaint yourself with what we believe. We're not going reformed, that's for sure. Many of our WELS churches have been able to implement contemporary praise into their highly traditional liturgical services, and we use a liturgically sound hymnal as well. Just because it's called Christian Worship doesn't make it any less Lutheran than the Lutheran Hymnal or the LBW or whatever hymnal your LCMS church uses.

As for Rick Warren, I'd be willing to be it was a bible study on the "hollowness" of the book. Several churches in my area (ooh, an LCMS one included) did that study.

Christian Worship, ah, yes the hymnal that departed from a translation and got creative instead to say and "and became fully human" instead of "and was made man."
My parish has never used LBW, btw. We used TLH until last year when we got Lutheran Service Book.
I'm pretty well versed in the WELS since I was baptized, confirmed and became an adult in the WELS for the first half of my life. I attended a WELS Christian Day School from 1-8 grade, and was catechized by a very prominent long time DP Emeritus WELS pastor.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm pretty well versed in the WELS since I was baptized, confirmed and became an adult in the WELS for the first half of my life. I attended a WELS Christian Day School from 1-8 grade, and was catechized by a very prominent long time DP Emeritus WELS pastor.

So how do you explain being so far from the truth when you speak of what the WELS believes?

 

[RadMan]

This is true.



But you are applying your point Synod wide and that is simply not true at all. Try listening to folks from within the Synod instead of the cry babies from outside.

It's in the blood. I have been involved somewhat in many actions to get conservative presidents in since the late sixties. canvassing, conventions etc. involving Preus, Barry, etc. Every church I belonged to in the last 40 years was involved in a greater or lesser degree to. In the early seventies I visited the Seminix Sem at Grad Ave. thinking this was the way to go. Left in disgust.

So I have a history with pro-active people. I have seen the abuses. This is not something new with me. I'm an outgrowth of seeing the fundamentalism in the LCMS. I've seen the historical critical methodology and other liberal influences within the Synod. The unseating of Harms because of his supportive stance. I saw Preus clean on the sem of Seminix. I was there when The First issue of “Table Talk,” was published in 1970 and Robert Preus was elected the first President of Balance, Inc.in 1970 and the first issue of "Affirm" was published in 1971. I was there when many members of ELIM left the Synod in 1976 to form the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches (AELC). I was there when Charismatics in the LCMS formed (RIM) in Missouri. I was there when Lutherans Alive was formed in '95 and then formed Jesus First in 1999. I was there when Jesus First and DayStar issued statements like "Jesus First Leadership" and "That We May Be One," obtaining signatures throughout the Synod.

I've been there.




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[PreachersWife2004]

Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when they crucified my Lord?


Were you there when they nailed him to the tree?
Were you there when they nailed him to the tree?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when they nailed him to the tree?


Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?
Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?


Were you there when God raised him from the tomb?
Were you there when God raised him from the tomb?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when God raised him from the tomb?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Sorry Rad, the minute I read your post, that song immediately sprang into my head...

 

[BakaFidelis]

It's in the blood. I have been involved somewhat in many actions to get conservative presidents in since the late sixties. canvassing, conventions etc. involving Preus, Barry, etc. Every church I belonged to in the last 40 years was involved in a greater or lesser degree to. In the early seventies I visited the Seminix Sem at Grad Ave. thinking this was the way to go. Left in disgust.

So I have a history with pro-active people. I have seen the abuses. This is not something new with me. I'm an outgrowth of seeing the fundamentalism in the LCMS. I've seen the historical critical methodology and other liberal influences within the Synod. The unseating of Harms because of his supportive stance. I saw Preus clean on the sem of Seminix. I was there when The First issue of “Table Talk,” was published in 1970 and Robert Preus was elected the first President of Balance, Inc.in 1970 and the first issue of "Affirm" was published in 1971. I was there when many members of ELIM left the Synod in 1976 to form the Association of Evangelical Lutheran Churches (AELC). I was there when Charismatics in the LCMS formed (RIM) in Missouri. I was there when Lutherans Alive was formed in '95 and then formed Jesus First in 1999. I was there when Jesus First and DayStar issued statements like "Jesus First Leadership" and "That We May Be One," obtaining signatures throughout the Synod.

I've been there.




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To each of us God grants talents. Yours if definitely the gift of the gruff voice of activism.

And I say that in a good way.

Thank you for being involved.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Christian Worship, ah, yes the hymnal that departed from a translation and got creative instead to say and "and became fully human" instead of "and was made man."

One who knew their greek (and I do on some accounts) knows that the point of the greek was the full humanity of God, not his gender.

In the grand scheme of things, which is more important, that he became man or that he became human?

So, what else is wrong with the CW? Hmmm...we did change some of the thees and thous...blasphemy I'm sure.

So, what in our statement of beliefs makes us reformed, LutherMan? So far you have yet to prove your point.