Should we Unite?

[Time2BCounted]

Brothers and sisters
I come to you in humility and sadness. I hate doing personal threads.

First of all forgive me if i have taken anything wrong, but i believe in brotherhood and peace, and scripture tells us that if someone has something against me, the thing to do is to go to them and talk.

I am coming to you as my brothers and sisters whom i love.

I have read many threads that i havent commented on, and i keep seeing statements about 'someone', 'whose name i wont mention', 'has an agenda', 'concentrating ALL his efforts on that one agenda', and it seems to me that the things some of us were once standing for, are no longer standing for this new definition that many of us are working on.

I do iunderstand that i have put a lot of effort into this, and that its going to take a lot more, but may i point out a few things?

First of all Its not just me, but several who want to see this happen and are actually doing the work.... several.

Secondly, since beginning this, my goal hasnt been this alone, nor has this been the lone object of my attention.
I have posted the following bible studies, which i myself worked on, in conjunction with the definition project and preparation, and presented them to the board for whoever wanted to discuss them... some of you did discuss them with me.

Marriage
http://foru.ms/t6185323-marriage-from-gods-point-of-view.html

Study of bible manuscripts
http://foru.ms/t6212293-kvj-vs-niv-which-is-right-a-study-of-the-manuscripts.html

Rapture study
http://foru.ms/t6131682-a-rapture-study-from-a-differant-angle.html

Judgement
http://foru.ms/t6222534-judge-not-common-sence-forbidden-beyond-this-point.html

Daniels Timelines
http://foru.ms/t6144134-daniels-timelines.html


Aside from these bible studies, self written and most in depth, i posted the following, when people were leaving the board and this forum in droves...


Before anyone else leaves this forum
http://foru.ms/t6144134-daniels-timelines.html

What sets CC apart
http://foru.ms/t6142288-what-sets-ccc-apart.html


I have 3 concerns
1) My own salvation
2) Strengthening and encouraging my brothers and my sisters
3) Standing for God any way i can, in the most effective ways i can, trying to bring the best possible changes or fighting to keep bad ones from having a door to walk through.

I love this forum. I have many friends here.

I think we can all agree we need to stand. I think too all would agree the armour of God is there for a reason, and its not because we play in a sandbox, but rather because we are called to BE in a fight. The armour is to protect us AS we fight. Imho, we cannot expect to be in a fight and not have the fight be real. We cannot stand and expect no unpleasantness coming from others... but most of all we cannot allow ourselves to become weary in well doing

We have great fellowship here. I have played all the games we all post, but im not here to just play games. I play them to enjoy the fellowship as i break from battle.
I have posted games myself. Nadiine and i maxed out the mens forum just playing. lol.

I love the fellowship, and i love doing bible studies, and i am compelled to stand.

Imho, we have a chance... a very good chance to win this BUT... If people see we are divided simply because we cant stand the wind blowing against us, we wont win.

As much as i love the fellowship and everyone here, i would like to ask this openly.

Would some of you prefer i not fight this fight and be associated with this forum? Are we here only for the pleasntries, or should we try to effect change pleasing to God and good for the weak and unlearned and the honest seeker?

Would some of you feel more comfortable backing this if i was not a moderator in training? Or if i was not a part of this forum? I hope these things are not the case and that we can all work together to do what we all do. I will back any of you in your project. I pray youll back the efforts of many here

I pray that no one here takes this wrong, and knows how i love each one here.

Lets work together and stand together united.

Some of you know NewMan99. He is one who is helping us with revising the present definition. Let me leave you with a quote from him concerning this goal.

Well, if that is the case, then the ONLY chance of anything remotely orthodox being approved is if all Nicene Christians unite on it. Otherwise, the disparate and disunited Christian voices will carry no more weight than non-Christian voices.
I hate to sound pessimistic, but given the current state of affairs, and given Erwin's embrace of theological relativism (as illustrated by his recent PM exchange with Steve), the chance of a new definition being passed is decidedly low. Still, I can't fault anyone for trying.
So if its only hope of being passed is through expressing a united Christian voice, then it behooves us to examine the proposed definition for areas that would serve to divide us (Christians) rather than unite us.

God bless you

 

[Hentenza]

Time,

You are special person and your zealousness is enviable. We love here.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Henry youre a true blessing brother.

God bless you

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Hmm... well, we've spoken so you know how I feel about it all already. Am sad that CC seems to have changed because of this, but I support you as a brother in Christ

As to the staff thing. You know how I feel about that

 

[JPPT1974]

As Christians, we should always unite
As we are united in Christ
Let us put aside all of our differences
Working together for the good of others!

 

[Auntie]

As Christians, we should always unite
As we are united in Christ
Let us put aside all of our differences
Working together for the good of others!

Amen!

 

[Miracle Storm]

It doesn't matter if you are on staff or not, you are a member.
I say it and say it and say it all the time United We Stand!

But then I get frustrated and act like a jerk.

But we love you Time

 

[Vambram]

I am not staff, and I am not a long time member. However, since the time when I was born-again in 1978, praise the Lord Jesus Christ that HE has enabled me to discern and recognise the truth, & true doctrine. It matters not if the LDS churches, the JW's, or others whom deny the true divinity of Jesus Christ want to believe that they are christians. How can anyone deny the fact that Jesus Christ is 100% GOD and also 100% Man but then say that they trust in Jesus to be their Savior for the salvation of souls?

Therefore, I stand united with all of you, my brothers and sisters in Christ as we stand in unity and in truth.

 

[Criada]

Love you brother.
This whole thing makes me sad - but that is not your fault.
And you have my support and prayers.

 

[Time2BCounted]

You guys are really a blessing

I cant tell ya how much

I KNOW we can do this

I KNOW God is for us, and its not Satans day to bring his war to break our power yet. We are workers of the day, working while we can because the night IS NOT far off, where we wont be able. Satan may take this world before the coming of Christ, but we can grudge him every inch of it just by standing together in love.

Lets let the board know, we ARENT interested in taking icons and removing nonchristian staff. All we want is to be defined as we always were for all these many hundred years. We do have nonchristian staff here, who i genuinely feel do an excellent job. I WANT them in place right where theyre at. Who knows maybe the gospel will touch them one day.


I think when people see what we really want, how little it really is, i think the majority will go with us.

Just the people we have helping on the definition now are going to draw more support for us. I dont know if we realize what an excellent chance we actually have here.

We have A STRONG position here

 

[Vambram]

You guys are really a blessing

I cant tell ya how much

I KNOW we can do this

I KNOW God is for us, and its not Satans day to bring his war to break our power yet. We are workers of the day, working while we can because the night IS NOT far off, where we wont be able. Satan may take this world before the coming of Christ, but we can grudge him every inch of it just by standing together in love.

Lets let the board know, we ARENT interested in taking icons and removing nonchristian staff. All we want is to be defined as we always were for all these many hundred years. We do have nonchristian staff here, who i genuinely feel do an excellent job. I WANT them in place right where theyre at. Who knows maybe the gospel will touch them one day.


I think when people see what we really want, how little it really is, i think the majority will go with us.

Just the people we have helping on the definition now are going to draw more support for us. I dont know if we realize what an excellent chance we actually have here.

We have A STRONG position here

AMEN!!

 

[Simon_Templar]

I would hope, and certainly have come to expect that you will stand for the truth that you are convicted of.

As for being on staff.. that has no relavence to your conviction, or your right to speak and petition.

 

[Time2BCounted]

You all bless my heart

Good night and may God bless you ALL here, as much as youve blessed me

 

[free2be]

Time, I respect and admire how you fight for your beliefs. You take your stance very seriously and your mod-ship very seriously....you believe you're doing it for the good of this forum. Regardless if you are becoming a mod, you're a member first! We love you, bro.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Time, I admire your zeal when it comes to the things of the Lord. It's wonderful to see your passion!

But I'll be honest, I don't appreciate how it's affected this forum, our forum. You've inadvertantly included all of the members here in your fight to change how the faq reads whether they actually want to be apart of the crusade or not. I personally agreed with your initial idea of adding some terminology to clarify the meaning of Christianity...but it seems like it's alot larger now.

I don't agree with the militant attitude your proposal has become. I don't think it will get you what you are requesting. It will end up alienating you and the rest of us as well. I'm not saying that we lay down and die...just saying that this is not the best way of going about it.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here and know that I am not trying to be critical. You are my brother in Christ Eric, and I love you with the love of the Lord.

 

[3girls2dogs]

The thing that concerns me most is that every time I come into the forum, I see loads of unfamiliar names up in there reading it. It makes me less comfortable posting here.

I adore you, and I appreciate what you are trying to do, but I have always taken a gentler view of how to minister to people and how to be examples.

I don't know what to do now.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Time, I admire your zeal when it comes to the things of the Lord. It's wonderful to see your passion!

But I'll be honest, I don't appreciate how it's affected this forum, our forum. You've inadvertantly included all of the members here in your fight to change how the faq reads whether they actually want to be apart of the crusade or not. I personally agreed with your initial idea of adding some terminology to clarify the meaning of Christianity...but it seems like it's alot larger now.

I don't agree with the militant attitude your proposal has become. I don't think it will get you what you are requesting. It will end up alienating you and the rest of us as well. I'm not saying that we lay down and die...just saying that this is not the best way of going about it.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here and know that I am not trying to be critical. You are my brother in Christ Eric, and I love you with the love of the Lord.

I've been lurking on this issue so far just seeing how it plays out, but I thought I'd post here as this mirrors the concerns that I have today.


I'll be in my Ready Room.
Number One, you have the Conn.

 

[MrJim]

Time, I admire your zeal when it comes to the things of the Lord. It's wonderful to see your passion!

But I'll be honest, I don't appreciate how it's affected this forum, our forum. You've inadvertantly included all of the members here in your fight to change how the faq reads whether they actually want to be apart of the crusade or not. I personally agreed with your initial idea of adding some terminology to clarify the meaning of Christianity...but it seems like it's alot larger now.

I don't agree with the militant attitude your proposal has become. I don't think it will get you what you are requesting. It will end up alienating you and the rest of us as well. I'm not saying that we lay down and die...just saying that this is not the best way of going about it.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here and know that I am not trying to be critical. You are my brother in Christ Eric, and I love you with the love of the Lord.

I would agree with what LT says here, and she phrased it a lot better than I could have.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Time, I admire your zeal when it comes to the things of the Lord. It's wonderful to see your passion!

But I'll be honest, I don't appreciate how it's affected this forum, our forum. You've inadvertantly included all of the members here in your fight to change how the faq reads whether they actually want to be apart of the crusade or not. I personally agreed with your initial idea of adding some terminology to clarify the meaning of Christianity...but it seems like it's alot larger now.

I don't agree with the militant attitude your proposal has become. I don't think it will get you what you are requesting. It will end up alienating you and the rest of us as well. I'm not saying that we lay down and die...just saying that this is not the best way of going about it.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here and know that I am not trying to be critical. You are my brother in Christ Eric, and I love you with the love of the Lord.

What is the best way of going about it?

Every time I talk to CC's now they seem like the liberals without the postmodernism.

 

[3girls2dogs]

What is the best way of going about it?

Every time I talk to CC's now they seem like the liberals without the postmodernism.

So one can only be a Conservative Christian if one is militant? I don't understand that at all. Just because I, as a singular person, do not have the will nor the ability to do things the same way as a more aggresive Christian, I am not Conservative? That hurts.