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Should we keep the Sabbath?

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Should we keep the weekly Sabbaths?

I don't think anyone, including Abraham, was commanded to keep the Sabbath until Exodus 31:

13 You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.
Sabbath was a special sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites after exiting Egypt.

In the NT, Jesus healed on a Sabbath in John 5:

8 Jesus said to him [P1], “Get up, take up your bed, and walk.” 9 And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.
Now that day was the Sabbath. 10 So the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed.”
According to the Jewish authority, Jesus broke the Sabbath and Jesus told P1 to break the Sabbath. The Pharisees saw sins as external behaviors. See e.g., The 39 Categories of Sabbath Work Prohibited By Law. Jesus shifted the focus to the heart where sin originated (Matthew 5:28).

Paul had this to say in Romans 14:

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6a The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord.
Should we keep the Sabbaths?

According to Paul, it is up to the individual believers. Further, we should not judge others about Sabbath, Colossians 2:

16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Similarly, Jesus warned in Matthew 7:

1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
I will not judge anyone for keeping the weekly Sabbaths or not.

If you keep the Sabbaths, are you going to keep the punishment?

Numbers 15:

32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.
The weekly Sabbath is only a shadow of the true Sabbath rest. Once we have the true reality, chasing after the shadows is unnecessary.
 

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I don't keep the Sabbath and I don't need to be circumcized. As a matter of fact, Paul seemed to be pretty ticked at the Galatians for abandoning the faith in favor of the law. He had a few things to say about keeping days, months or years, and a LOT to say about Circumcision. I put these types of issues to bed decades ago. You don't have to become a Jew first to become a Christian. FWIW, I became a Christian at age 27 in 1981. I wasn't sure about this stuff then, but I am now.
 
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May I add, Galatians is a 15 minute read. Read it as the letter it is. Imagine you are a Galatian and familiar with the stuff he's talking about. He touches on the whole "keeping of the law" thing and seems to be pretty adamant and even seems to be holding back anger and bewilderment at what they were doing in the churches he, himself, planted. It addresses this very spiritual issue.
Here's a rundown for those that only have nine minutes. Galatians addresses this very subject, holistically.
 
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Should we keep the weekly Sabbaths?

I don't think anyone, including Abraham, was commanded to keep the Sabbath until Exodus 31:


Sabbath was a special sign of the covenant between God and the Israelites after exiting Egypt.

In the NT, Jesus healed on a Sabbath in John 5:


According to the Jewish authority, Jesus broke the Sabbath and Jesus told P1 to break the Sabbath. The Pharisees saw sins as external behaviors. See e.g., The 39 Categories of Sabbath Work Prohibited By Law. Jesus shifted the focus to the heart where sin originated (Matthew 5:28).

Paul had this to say in Romans 14:


Should we keep the Sabbaths?

According to Paul, it is up to the individual believers. Further, we should not judge others about Sabbath, Colossians 2:


Similarly, Jesus warned in Matthew 7:


I will not judge anyone for keeping the weekly Sabbaths or not.

If you keep the Sabbaths, are you going to keep the punishment?

Numbers 15:


The weekly Sabbath is only a shadow of the true Sabbath rest. Once we have the true reality, chasing after the shadows is unnecessary.
I "keep" the Sabbath 24/7. :D

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from His. ... Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

Jesus is my Sabbath and I intend to Keep Him for Eternity and Beyond. :anchor:

Shabbat Shalom
 
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May I add, Galatians is a 15 minute read. Read it as the letter it is. Imagine you are a Galatian and familiar with the stuff he's talking about. He touches on the whole "keeping of the law" thing and seems to be pretty adamant and even seems to be holding back anger and bewilderment at what they were doing in the churches he, himself, planted. It addresses this very spiritual issue.
Here's a rundown for those that only have nine minutes. Galatians addresses this very subject, holistically.
Bible Project is an awesome collection of study tools! It allows a biblical overview of MANY books in just a short amount of time that really lays a strong foundation!
 
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There is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. Breaking the Sabbath commandment is no different than breaking any of the commandments. James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 The Sabbath was changed not by God, but just as predicted those who changed times and laws Dan 7:25 which the Catholic church takes credit for this change.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

If you love Jesus keep His commandments, if you love the Catholic church keep Sunday instead. God said the Sabbath was on the seventh day Exo 20:10 and Jesus never turned into a day or a commandment. He is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28, not that He is the sabbath- He never gave Himself a commandment- the commandments are for God's faithful to keep Luke 23:56. Keeping the Sabbath is on God's Authority Eze 20:20, the way He said to keep. It's up to us who we yield ourselves servants to obey. Paul never taught anything different and why he kept the Sabbath decades as after the Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 because a servant is never greater than their master.

Yes, if we love Jesus we should keep His commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment that Jesus kept Luke 4:16 as our example to follow 1 John 2:6.
 
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May I add, Galatians is a 15 minute read. Read it as the letter it is. Imagine you are a Galatian and familiar with the stuff he's talking about. He touches on the whole "keeping of the law" thing and seems to be pretty adamant and even seems to be holding back anger and bewilderment at what they were doing in the churches he, himself, planted. It addresses this very spiritual issue.
Here's a rundown for those that only have nine minutes. Galatians addresses this very subject, holistically.
I've heard of the Bible Project, from a long time ago... but had forgotten about it.
Thanks for the reminder! I've been looking for something a bit of soundness to it.
 
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There is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. Breaking the Sabbath commandment is no different than breaking any of the commandments. James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 The Sabbath was changed not by God, but just as predicted those who changed times and laws Dan 7:25 which the Catholic church takes credit for this change.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

If you love Jesus keep His commandments, if you love the Catholic church keep Sunday instead. God said the Sabbath was on the seventh day Exo 20:10 and Jesus never turned into a day or a commandment. He is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28, not that He is the sabbath- He never gave Himself a commandment- the commandments are for God's faithful to keep Luke 23:56. Keeping the Sabbath is on God's Authority Eze 20:20, the way He said to keep. It's up to us who we yield ourselves servants to obey. Paul never taught anything different and why he kept the Sabbath decades as after the Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 because a servant is never greater than their master.

Yes, if we love Jesus we should keep His commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment that Jesus kept Luke 4:16 as our example to follow 1 John 2:6.
Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26 (James 2:10,11,12)

Deuteronomy 4:1 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 5:1

The Ten Commandments​

Moses summoned all Israel and said:

Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:

6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7 “You shall have no other gods before me.
8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
11 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
16 “Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
17 “You shall not murder.
18 “You shall not commit adultery.
19 “You shall not steal.
20 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
21 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor’s house or land, his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
22 These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

23 When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. 24 And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. 25 But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. 26 For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? 27 Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”

28 The Lord heard you when you spoke to me, and the Lord said to me, “I have heard what this people said to you. Everything they said was good. 29 Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever!

30 “Go, tell them to return to their tents. 31 But you stay here with me so that I may give you all the commands, decrees and laws you are to teach them to follow in the land I am giving them to possess.”

32 So be careful to do what the Lord your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left. 33 Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

Deuteronomy 6 -

Love the Lord Your God​

Deuteronomy 7 -

Driving Out the Nations

Deuteronomy 8 -

Do Not Forget the Lord​

Deuteronomy 9 -

Not Because of Israel’s Righteousness​

The Golden Calf​

Deuteronomy 10 -

Tablets Like the First Ones​

Fear the Lord​

Deuteronomy 11 -

Love and Obey the Lord​

Deuteronomy 12 -

The One Place of Worship​

Deuteronomy 13 -

Worshiping Other Gods​

Deuteronomy 14 -

Clean and Unclean Food​

Tithes​

Deuteronomy 15 -

The Year for Canceling Debts​

Freeing Servants​

The Firstborn Animals​

Deuteronomy 16 -

The Passover​

The Festival of Weeks​

Judges​

Worshiping Other Gods​

Deuteronomy 17 -

Law Courts​

The King​

Deuteronomy 18 -

Offerings for Priests and Levites​

Occult Practices​

The Prophet​

etc... etc... etc..

Deuteronomy 31:24 After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord: 26 Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a witness against you. 27 For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are. If you have been rebellious against the Lord while I am still alive and with you, how much more will you rebel after I die!
 
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Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26 (James 2:10,11,12)

Deuteronomy 4:1 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 5:1

The Ten Commandments​

Moses summoned all Israel and said:

Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:

6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7 “You shall have no other gods before me.
8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
11 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
16 “Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
17 “You shall not murder.
18 “You shall not commit adultery.
19 “You shall not steal.
20 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
21 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor’s house or land, his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
22 These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

23 When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. 24 And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. 25 But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. 26 For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? 27 Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”

28 The Lord heard you when you spoke to me, and the Lord said to me, “I have heard what this people said to you. Everything they said was good. 29 Oh, that their hearts would be inclined to fear me and keep all my commands always, so that it might go well with them and their children forever!

30 “Go, tell them to return to their tents. 31 But you stay here with me so that I may give you all the commands, decrees and laws you are to teach them to follow in the land I am giving them to possess.”

32 So be careful to do what the Lord your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left. 33 Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

Deuteronomy 6 -

Love the Lord Your God​

Deuteronomy 7 -

Driving Out the Nations

Deuteronomy 8 -

Do Not Forget the Lord​

Deuteronomy 9 -

Not Because of Israel’s Righteousness​

The Golden Calf​

Deuteronomy 10 -

Tablets Like the First Ones​

Fear the Lord​

Deuteronomy 11 -

Love and Obey the Lord​

Deuteronomy 12 -

The One Place of Worship​

Deuteronomy 13 -

Worshiping Other Gods​

Deuteronomy 14 -

Clean and Unclean Food​

Tithes​

Deuteronomy 15 -

The Year for Canceling Debts​

Freeing Servants​

The Firstborn Animals​

Deuteronomy 16 -

The Passover​

The Festival of Weeks​

Judges​

Worshiping Other Gods​

Deuteronomy 17 -

Law Courts​

The King​

Deuteronomy 18 -

Offerings for Priests and Levites​

Occult Practices​

The Prophet​

etc... etc... etc..

Deuteronomy 31:24 After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end, 25 he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord: 26 Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a witness against you. 27 For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are. If you have been rebellious against the Lord while I am still alive and with you, how much more will you rebel after I die!
Please share the point you are making. All the scriptures you shared are telling us to keep God's commandments, which is what I advocate too. You are quoting Moses who repeated the Ten Commandments 40 years later before entering into Canaan to diligently keep.

Deut 31:24 is referring to the law of Moses- what Moses handwrote, not what was inside the ark of the Covenant Exo 40:20- what God personally wrote and spoke. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
 
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Please share the point you are making. All the scriptures you shared are telling us to keep God's commandments, which is what I advocate too. You are quoting Moses who repeated the Ten Commandments 40 years later before entering into Canaan to diligently keep.

Deut 31:24 is referring to the law of Moses- what Moses handwrote, not what was inside the ark of the Covenant Exo 40:20- what God personally wrote and spoke. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
Deuteronomy 10:1 At that time the Lord said to me, “Cut out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first and come up to Me onto the mountain and make an ark of wood for yourself. 2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.”

Hebrews 9:5 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
KJV "16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."
Testator - a person who has made a will or given a legacy.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.​

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, ... For the letter kills, ...7 Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory, so that the Israelites were not able to look directly at Moses’ face because of the glory from his face—a fading glory
Romans 7:10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me.
 
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You are cherry picking scripture and the case you seem to be trying to make is that we can break God's commandments, is not what Jesus taught Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19. To me it best to work backwards- If Jesus said we are not to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven and not a jot or tittle can be changed from God's holy law- Jesus can't lie- so any gathering of scripture can never make that case. So lets examine these scriptures...
Deuteronomy 10:1 At that time the Lord said to me, “Cut out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first and come up to Me onto the mountain and make an ark of wood for yourself. 2 I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.”
This is a statement of history, nothing else. The Israelites broke the commandments, and Moses threw down the Ten Commandments breaking them and instead of God "doing away" with the Ten Commanemtns as you seem to be suggesting He re-wrote them exactly as He did on the first set.

Because God said:

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

So nothing can contradict the words of God. He always keeps His promises.
Hebrews 9:5 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance
Yes, and what is the New Covenant established on? New laws? or better promises....

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

So the New Covenant is not established on new laws, but on better promises.

Because God said:
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips

Which is why the New Covenant still has God's law, but now instead of it being established on the people doing Exo 19:8 it is established on the promise of God doing.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God doing instead of people doing is a much better promise. God gives us the power to obey Him and keep His commandments John 14:15-18 if we don't rebel against Him Rom 8:7-8 when He calls on us Heb 3:7-8

—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
KJV "16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."
Testator - a person who has made a will or given a legacy.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.​
Amen
Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Yes, the ordnances were handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the Covenant. This is what ended at the Cross. We no longer have to bring an animal sacrifice to an earthy priest for forgiveness of sins. Jesus because is our Passover Lamb 2 Cor 5:7 and our High Priest so instead of a sin offering to an earthy priest we can go directly to Jesus when we sin.

Sin is still breaking God's law the Ten Commandments even in the New Testament

1 John 3:4 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

When Jesus heals He says Go and sin no more. If that wasn't possible, He would not ask. While we can't do it alone, we can through Christ Phil 4:13
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Well lets look where the fault was because scripture plainly tells us if we allow it to....you cut out where the fault was.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them,

God would not have changed the covenant (agreement)- had He not found fault with the people. That was the issue, not the Words of covenant, the Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28. God already promised He would not alter the words of the Covenant- Psa 89:34 God does not lie, it’s up to us to have faith to believe and live by His every Word.

Where was the fault then? Let’s let scripture tell us....

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them,

He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant,

and the consequences of doing so

and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

But God loves us so much instead of giving up on humanity He established His new covenant based on better promises, just as it is stated. Not based on new laws as God tells us plainly- you can't make something perfect, more perfect Psa 19:7 The NC still has God’s law according to God.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people

Before what promise was the covenant based on? Let’s let scripture define it for us....

Exo 19:8 Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.”

What promise is the New Covenant?

Heb 10:8 says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts;

So now God is the one writing His laws in our hearts, He is the one doing based on His strength- which is a much better promise.

How do we know which laws are in our hearts. Jesus answers this question, but you may not like the answer. I am happy to share the scriptures, if you want.
2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, ... For the letter kills, ...7 Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory, so that the Israelites were not able to look directly at Moses’ face because of the glory from his facea fading glory
Did you read where the fading glory was on the face of Moses after leaving the presence of God.

The Old Covenant was based on the people doing, the New Covenant is based on God doing, it is a much better covenant established on much better promises.

Jesus explained how to keep the spirit of the law, which is greater than the letter, not lessor as many people teach.

When Jesus taught not to have anger in the heart, was He teaching we can commit literal murder (the letter) as long as we don't have anger in the heart? Or was He teaching if He helps change our thoughts from the inside out and our thoughts of anger becomes thoughts of love and compassion to our neighbor, then thou shalt not murder (the letter) would automatically be kept. This is what I believe He taught hence why He said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 and if one is living by the spirit, the letter would automatically be kept. I don't think Paul taught anything different. Especially if you read Rom 8:4-8. Living by the spirit is greater than the letter, not lessor and if we live by His Spirit, even the least of these commandments would be kept by faith and love. John 14:15-18 1 John 5:3 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12 which reconciles us Rev 22:14
Romans 7:10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me.
You need to bring in the whole context especially dealing with Paul's writings.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

It's not the law that is the issue, the commandments are holy, just and good. The issue is dealing with our flesh verses living in the Spirit. Its a struggle, but the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 there is another option, but it requires a conversion and lifestyle change and that is living in the Spirit in Christ Rom 8:1-8. In Christ there is no condemnation but sadly so many people want to cling to their old life of sin, instead of clinging to Christ and living by His every Word which includes this promise

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips

Regardless if one accept it or not, we will all be Judged by the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15
If we just trust the teachings of Jesus and the promises of God, He will only lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation. Rev 22:14
 
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We should keep the Sabbath. The question is, is it mandatory to keep the Sabbath on Saturday (Saturn Day)? I believe that one day of the week we should not work and make it Holy with worship. What day that is, I believe is not set in stone. Muslims congregate on Friday, Jews on Saturday, and most Christian churches on Sunday. IMO all 3 should be considered Holy Days (Holy meaning separate). We all worship the God of Abraham and we are all blessed by worshiping on our Holy Days.
 
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We should keep the Sabbath. The question is, is it mandatory to keep the Sabbath on Saturday (Saturn Day)? I believe that one day of the week we should not work and make it Holy with worship. What day that is, I believe is not set in stone. Muslims congregate on Friday, Jews on Saturday, and most Christian churches on Sunday. IMO all 3 should be considered Holy Days (Holy meaning separate). We all worship the God of Abraham and we are all blessed by worshiping on our Holy Days.
The commandment says this:

Written on Stone by the finger of God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 there is no greater Authority!

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

There is no commandment of God to keep the first day holy. It was not blessed by God or sanctified by God but made for works and labors Exo 20:9. Keeping Sunday is a tradition of man. This is what Jesus said about keeping traditions of man overing obeying the commandments of God Mat 15:1-14 It's a pretty powerful teaching that sadly many people gloss over.
 
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You are cherry picking scripture ... You need to bring in the whole context especially dealing with Paul's writings.
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.

One covenant is from Mount Sinai (
and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.

26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
(Sarah / Free Woman / New Covenant)
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise.

29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”

31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Exodus 19:20 The Lord descended to the top of Mount Sinai and called Moses to the top of the mountain. So Moses went up 21 and the Lord said to him, “Go down and warn the people so they do not force their way through to see the Lord and many of them perish. 22 Even the priests, who approach the Lord, must consecrate themselves, or the Lord will break out against them.”​
23 Moses said to the Lord, “The people cannot come up Mount Sinai, because you yourself warned us, ‘Put limits around the mountain and set it apart as holy.’”​
The Ten Commandments
20:1 And God spoke all these words:​
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.​
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.​
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.​
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.​
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.​
12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.​
13 “You shall not murder.​
14 “You shall not commit adultery.​
15 “You shall not steal.​
16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.​
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”​
1 Corinthians 3:15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil [of blindness] lies over their heart;
 
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Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.

24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.

One covenant is from Mount Sinai (
and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.

26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
(Sarah / Free Woman / New Covenant)
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise.

29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.

30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”

31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Exodus 19:20 The Lord descended to the top of Mount Sinai and called Moses to the top of the mountain. So Moses went up 21 and the Lord said to him, “Go down and warn the people so they do not force their way through to see the Lord and many of them perish. 22 Even the priests, who approach the Lord, must consecrate themselves, or the Lord will break out against them.”​
23 Moses said to the Lord, “The people cannot come up Mount Sinai, because you yourself warned us, ‘Put limits around the mountain and set it apart as holy.’”​
The Ten Commandments
20:1 And God spoke all these words:​
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.​
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.​
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.​
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.​
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.​
12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.​
13 “You shall not murder.​
14 “You shall not commit adultery.​
15 “You shall not steal.​
16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.​
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”​
It's comparing the New Covenant- established on better promises of God doing, compared to the Old Covenant which was established on the people doing. The parable is right in line with that because Sarah took it in her own hands to bear a child for Abraham through Hagar instead of allowing God to do in His time- this is the comparable not about now being able to worship other gods, or now we can covet or break the least of these commandments something Jesus taught not to do. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 Nothing can contradict Jesus or His teachings.
 
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It's comparing the New Covenant- established on better promises of God doing, compared to the Old Covenant which was established on the people doing. The parable is right in line with that because Sarah took it in her own hands to bear a child for Abraham through Hagar instead of allowing God to do in His time- this is the comparable not about now being able to worship other gods, or now we can covet or break the least of these commandments something Jesus taught not to do. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 Nothing can contradict Jesus or His teachings.
You are under conviction on this matter as much as I am. I appreciate that you take the time to quote scripture to back up your conviction. There is a verse that meets us in the middle.

Romans 14:5 <- Jesus knew these discussions would be taking place and used the apostle Paul to make peace between you and I. This is why I pop in and enjoy batting scripture back and forth with you. We see things "differently", yet unite in Jesus Christ as Siblings in Jesus! That's pretty amazing!

Romans 14:5 One person considers some days more holy than others, while someone else regards them as being all alike. What is important is for each to be fully convinced in his own mind.

You can use this verse to ease out of tense debates if you ever find yourself in one.

All Love in our Wonderful Jesus Christ to you, Sibling in Jesus Christ, who Love's Jesus Christ with all of your Being.
 
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You are under conviction on this matter as much as I am. I appreciate that you take the time to quote scripture to back up your conviction. There is a verse that meets us in the middle.

Romans 14:5 <- Jesus knew these discussions would be taking place and used the apostle Paul to make peace between you and I. This is why I pop in and enjoy batting scripture back and forth with you. We see things "differently", yet unite in Jesus Christ as Siblings in Jesus! That's pretty amazing!

Romans 14:5 One person considers some days more holy than others, while someone else regards them as being all alike. What is important is for each to be fully convinced in his own mind.

You can use this verse to ease out of tense debates if you ever find yourself in one.

All Love in our Wonderful Jesus Christ to you, Sibling in Jesus Christ, who Love's Jesus Christ with all of your Being.
Sorry, there is no compromising in God’s promise or His Truth.

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips

Paul does not have the authority to countermand God, nor would he as he was a servant of God Romans 1:1

One thing that most people never notice when using Romans 14 against the Sabbath commandment, it never once even mentions the word Sabbath, in the whole chapter. The context is about opinions of man in reference to food, judging, a day man esteems above another, not the day God esteems over all others- the Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13.

Romans 14 :1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person (man not God) esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; [a]and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died [b]and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living

This would be the equivalent of us arguing over Easter or Christmas- man-made holy days, not one of God’s commandments that even Paul kept faithfully, as a servant is not greater than his master and Paul never taught against the teachings of Jesus. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19
 
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Sorry, there is no compromising in God’s promise or His Truth.

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips

Paul does not have the authority to countermand God, nor would he as he was a servant of God Romans 1:1

One thing that most people never notice when using Romans 14 against the Sabbath commandment, it never once even mentions the word Sabbath, in the whole chapter. The context is about opinions of man in reference to food, judging, a day man esteems above another, not the day God esteems over all others- the Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13.

Romans 14 :1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person (man not God) esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; [a]and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died [b]and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living

This would be the equivalent of us arguing over Easter or Christmas- man-made holy days, not one of God’s commandments that even Paul kept faithfully, as a servant is not greater than his master and Paul never taught against the teachings of Jesus. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19
Colossians 2:13 And when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive with Him and forgave us all our trespasses. 14 He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly; He triumphed over them by Him.

16 Therefore, don’t let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of what was to come; the substance is the Messiah.

Hebrews 10:1. For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.


Hebrews 4:4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” 6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.

Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me! New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
 
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Colossians 2:13 And when you were dead in trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive with Him and forgave us all our trespasses. 14 He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and disgraced them publicly; He triumphed over them by Him.

16 Therefore, don’t let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of what was to come; the substance is the Messiah.
The KJV helps explain Col 2:14-17 but it never ceases to amaze me that despite the warning about Paul’s writings 2 Peter 3:16, people still try to use it against the teachings of Jesus.

First of all, Paul does not have the authority to undermine God or His commandments. Nor does he teach something different than Jesus.

Lets examine this passage a little more, because this one verse that people use really as a weapon against God’s own promise Psa 89:34 is not really saying what people want it to, if being honest with the scriptures.

Where in the Ten Commandments does it deal with food, drink festivals, new moon and sabbath(s) its plural here, but modern bible translations changes it to singular, but thats not in the original transcripts. No where does the Ten Commandments deal with these things, but it is in the handwritten ordinances by Moses. So not referring to the Ten Commandments, plus we should have faith that God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So we know this from Colossians 2:14 the context is about
1. ordinances that are handwritten
2. ordinances- not The Ten Commandments
3. ordinances that are contrary.

Does this fit the The Ten Commandment in any way?
1. The Ten Commandments was finger-written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
2. The Ten are commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28
3. The Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- not the definition for contrary or against. Plus only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord to change His commandments- all the thus saith the Lords on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane.

Obviously if one is being honest, this is not about any of the Ten Commandments.

There is more than one Sabbath is scripture, so obviously not referring to the weekly Sabbath commandment, but the yearly sabbath(s) ordinances that were handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that are about food and drink offerings.

This is what Paul is referring to

Deuteronomy 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The book that contained the ordinances were outside the ark- all of the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment are inside the ark.
Colossians 2:17 gives us more insight...

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Lets go to Hebrews 10 as it explains it....

Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world,

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, it was part of Creation Gen 2:1-3 God’s perfect plan before the fall of man and God said Remember the Sabbath day- the Sabbath brings us back to Creation Exo 20:11 so we never forget who created us and where we came from. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings came after the fall of man so Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to the Sabbath commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Jesus in His own Words predicted 30+ years after His death His people at the destruction of Jerusalem would be keeping the Sabbath Mat 24:20 and the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we have faith in Jesus we really need to have faith in His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 and the example He left for us. Luke 4:16 I John 2:6

Hebrews 4:4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” 6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.
There are two rest in this passage which the context really starts in Hebrews 3 and most of it is in reference to the OT so we would need to be familiar with the OT to understand this passage.

Heb 4:4 is referring to the seventh day Sabbath rest obviously - He has spoken about the seventh day is God speaking at Mt Sinai where He said the seventh day is the Sabbath and God rested on the seventh day at Creation Exo 20:8-11 Heb 4 reinforces that.

Heb 4:5-6 is referring to the Israelites who did not enter their rest into Canaan because of their disobedience in the wilderness and what they disobeyed is the Sabbath commandment among other things…

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them

Hebrews 4:7 is a direct quote from David- nothing about changing the Sabbath into “today” if we allow the context to interpret Itself. It’s about the Holy Spirit calling us “Today” if we hear His voice out of our rebellion and disobedience to God also quoted verbatim in Hebrews 3:7-11 from David:

Psalms 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with thatgeneration,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

We should not delay our obedience to God- TIODAY is the day to change our direction and trust in His teachings and obey His voice. It’s not Christ who wants us to obey Him tomorrow, thats the other spirit. Who know what tomorrow bring…..we need to die daily of self and serve and submit to God completely.

It’s why the author of Hebrews warns us of following the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 so we can enter into our Promised rest. In God’s rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments including the Sabbath, there is only peace in His rest

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then
your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me! New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.

Oh my-just curious if you actually read this passage? It’s about Judah being disobedient to God and thought they could bring sacrifices to Him without having a change of heart and continuing in their disobedience. It not about God not wanting us to keep His Sabbath or obey His commandments, but if we turn away from His law- even our prays are an abomination to Him. Pro 28:9

This is what Christ tells us to do about keeping His Sabbath made for everyone


Isa 56:1
56 Thus says the Lord:

Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


6. “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

And holds fast My covenant

Psa 89:34
My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.



Its sad most people are in the same place everyone God rebuked for disobedience in scripture, not sure why we should feel we are more special than those who came before us, that Christ rebuked for their disobedience, like we can follow their same path of disobedience but receive a different result. If we don’t have faith to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God like Jesus tells us to Mat 4:4 we too will be in the same position come Judgement Day. At least that what Jesus taught, Mat 7:21-23 Mat 5:19 Mat 15:3-14 its just a matter if we believe Him or not I guess.

Not sure the point in continuing this discussion. You seem set in what you believe and I will need a thus saith the Lord to profane God’s Sabbath commandment and I have searched the scriptures from cover to cover and there is no such scripture.

I do wish you well though in seeking Truth to God’s Word.
 
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it never ceases to amaze me that despite the warning about Paul’s writings 2 Peter 3:16, people still try to use it against the teachings of Jesus.
Here, you suggest that people like myself are twisting Paul to their own destruction and then go directly to the idea that they are using Paul against Jesus. Is there any other conclusion to the above words?
First of all, Paul does not have the authority to undermine God or His commandments. Nor does he teach something different than Jesus.
Yet, Jesus says that there are things that He can't teach, until He has gone away. He binds this to the future teaching of His Holy Spirit within us. Did Jesus misstate Himself?

John 16:7 Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth. It is for your benefit that I go away, because if I don’t go away the Counselor will not come to you. If I go, I will send Him to you.

John 16:12I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.

Lets examine this passage a little more, because this one verse that people use really as a weapon against God’s own promise Psa 89:34 is not really saying what people want it to, if being honest with the scriptures.
This implies that people that believe like myself are using scripture as a weapon against God and being dishonest with scripture. Could there be any other conclusion to the implication of these words?
Where in the Ten Commandments does it deal with food, drink festivals, new moon and sabbath(s) its plural here, but modern bible translations changes it to singular, but thats not in the original transcripts. No where does the Ten Commandments deal with these things, but it is in the handwritten ordinances by Moses. So not referring to the Ten Commandments, plus we should have faith that God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So we know this from Colossians 2:14 the context is about
1. ordinances that are handwritten
2. ordinances- not The Ten Commandments
3. ordinances that are contrary.

Does this fit the The Ten Commandment in any way?
1. The Ten Commandments was finger-written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
2. The Ten are commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28
3. The Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- not the definition for contrary or against. Plus only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord to change His commandments- all the thus saith the Lords on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane.

Obviously if one is being honest, this is not about any of the Ten Commandments.
There's another dishonesty insinuation, are you suggesting in a round about way that I am being dishonest with scripture?
There is more than one Sabbath is scripture, so obviously not referring to the weekly Sabbath commandment, but the yearly sabbath(s) ordinances that were handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that are about food and drink offerings.

This is what Paul is referring to

Deuteronomy 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;
The book that contained the ordinances were outside the ark- all of the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment are inside the ark.
Deuteronomy 4 is precisely where that Book of the Law begins. What is in Deuteronomy 5?
Colossians 2:17 gives us more insight...

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Lets go to Hebrews 10 as it explains it....
Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world,

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, it was part of Creation Gen 2:1-3 God’s perfect plan before the fall of man and God said Remember the Sabbath day- the Sabbath brings us back to Creation Exo 20:11 so we never forget who created us and where we came from. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings came after the fall of man so Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to the Sabbath commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Jesus in His own Words predicted 30+ years after His death His people at the destruction of Jerusalem would be keeping the Sabbath Mat 24:20 and the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we have faith in Jesus we really need to have faith in His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 and the example He left for us. Luke 4:16 I John 2:6


There are two rest in this passage which the context really starts in Hebrews 3 and most of it is in reference to the OT so we would need to be familiar with the OT to understand this passage.

Heb 4:4 is referring to the seventh day Sabbath rest obviously - He has spoken about the seventh day is God speaking at Mt Sinai where He said the seventh day is the Sabbath and God rested on the seventh day at Creation Exo 20:8-11 Heb 4 reinforces that.

Heb 4:5-6 is referring to the Israelites who did not enter their rest into Canaan because of their disobedience in the wilderness and what they disobeyed is the Sabbath commandment among other things…

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them

Hebrews 4:7 is a direct quote from David- nothing about changing the Sabbath into “today” if we allow the context to interpret Itself. It’s about the Holy Spirit calling us “Today” if we hear His voice out of our rebellion and disobedience to God also quoted verbatim in Hebrews 3:7-11 from David:

Psalms 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with thatgeneration,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

We should not delay our obedience to God- TIODAY is the day to change our direction and trust in His teachings and obey His voice. It’s not Christ who wants us to obey Him tomorrow, thats the other spirit. Who know what tomorrow bring…..we need to die daily of self and serve and submit to God completely.

It’s why the author of Hebrews warns us of following the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 so we can enter into our Promised rest. In God’s rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments including the Sabbath, there is only peace in His rest

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then
your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Oh my-just curious if you actually read this passage?
I've most definitely read the passage. Isaiah is a very specific book of importance. The Great Isaiah scroll is located in Israel and dates back in age far beyond what it's prophecies stretch towards. I am deeply enamored with the book of Isaiah.
It’s about Judah being disobedient to God and thought they could bring sacrifices to Him without having a change of heart and continuing in their disobedience. It not about God not wanting us to keep His Sabbath or obey His commandments, but if we turn away from His law- even our prays are an abomination to Him. Pro 28:9

This is what Christ tells us to do about keeping His Sabbath made for everyone

Isa 56:1
56 Thus says the Lord:

Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


6. “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

And holds fast My covenant

Psa 89:34
My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
Have you considered that this may be about the new covenant, prophetically implied by David? God didn't "break" the Old Covenant. He fulfilled it. Covenant means promise. What was the ultimate Promise of the Prophesied New Covenant?
Its sad most people are in the same place everyone God rebuked for disobedience in scripture, not sure why we should feel we are more special than those who came before us, that Christ rebuked for their disobedience, like we can follow their same path of disobedience but receive a different result. If we don’t have faith to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God like Jesus tells us to Mat 4:4 we too will be in the same position come Judgement Day. At least that what Jesus taught, Mat 7:21-23 Mat 5:19 Mat 15:3-14 its just a matter if we believe Him or not I guess.
Are you suggesting that people are Lost that don't believe as you believe? Here, I seem to be reading that you believe some people are lost because they don't "Keep the forth Commandment". Am I misunderstanding you?
Not sure the point in continuing this discussion. You seem set in what you believe and I will need a thus saith the Lord to profane God’s Sabbath commandment and I have searched the scriptures from cover to cover and there is no such scripture.

I do wish you well though in seeking Truth to God’s Word.
I have a genuine question for you. In post #16, I made a hand shake of peace post. The post was to indicate that I find peace with you. Instead of making peace with me as a Sibling in Jesus Christ, you close your reply with the words "Seeking Truth".

Who is the Truth?

You seem to desire to conclude this conversation. I am at peace with this and appreciate your response of conviction. I want to make this clear. I do not believe that you are lost. I call you Sibling in Jesus Christ who Love's Jesus Christ, is in Jesus Christ and has Jesus Christ within you. I retain that Romans 14:5 is our peace, though I understand that you do not, which is okay.

There is only one thing that I will say in opinionated constructive criticism towards the Scripture work within post # 19. "Eisegesis"
 
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