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Should we keep the Sabbath?

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Here, you suggest that people like myself are twisting Paul to their own destruction and then go directly to the idea that they are using Paul against Jesus. Is there any other conclusion to the above words?

Yet, Jesus says that there are things that He can't teach, until He has gone away. He binds this to the future teaching of His Holy Spirit within us. Did Jesus misstate Himself?

John 16:7 Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth. It is for your benefit that I go away, because if I don’t go away the Counselor will not come to you. If I go, I will send Him to you.

John 16:12I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.


This implies that people that believe like myself are using scripture as a weapon against God and being dishonest with scripture. Could there be any other conclusion to the implication of these words?

There's another dishonesty insinuation, are you suggesting in a round about way that I am being dishonest with scripture?


Deuteronomy 4 is precisely where that Book of the Law begins. What is in Deuteronomy 5?

I've most definitely read the passage. Isaiah is a very specific book of importance. The Great Isaiah scroll is located in Israel and dates back in age far beyond what it's prophecies stretch towards. I am deeply enamored with the book of Isaiah.

Have you considered that this may be about the new covenant, prophetically implied by David? God didn't "break" the Old Covenant. He fulfilled it. Covenant means promise. What was the ultimate Promise of the Prophesied New Covenant?

Are you suggesting that people are Lost that don't believe as you believe? Here, I seem to be reading that you believe some people are lost because they don't "Keep the forth Commandment". Am I misunderstanding you?

I have a genuine question for you. In post #16, I made a hand shake of peace post. The post was to indicate that I find peace with you. Instead of making peace with me as a Sibling in Jesus Christ, you close your reply with the words "Seeking Truth".

Who is the Truth?

You seem to desire to conclude this conversation. I am at peace with this and appreciate your response of conviction. I want to make this clear. I do not believe that you are lost. I call you Sibling in Jesus Christ who Love's Jesus Christ, is in Jesus Christ and has Jesus Christ within you. I retain that Romans 14:5 is our peace, though I understand that you do not, which is okay.

There is only one thing that I will say in opinionated constructive criticism towards the Scripture work within post # 19. "Eisegesis"
Jesus said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 5:19-30 because when we keep our rules/traditions over keeping the commandments of God again quoting directly from the Ten Commandment Mat 15:3-14 ones heart is far from Him and one worships in vain, Yes, when people use Paul's clearly out of context words to teach we can break one of God's commandments, that is twisting his words to their destruction-worshipping in vain, having our heart far from Jesus, being least in heaven does not sound promising to me, because if we read the next verse means one won't be there. Mat 5:20. You will never find one scripture from Jesus teaching we can break the Sabbath commandment- Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and is our example to follow 1 John 2:6. It's not complicated, but when we have other ideas on how to worship and serve God, its what separated us in the first place. Many thinks what's a day, just like Adam and Eve could eat from any tree but one, what's a tree. Well its all about who we submit ourselves servants to obey. Rom 6:16 God on His Authority said to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, just like He said to only worship Him. Man has always rebelled against what God commanded and it has not worked out so well, but we are given free will to test any theory we want.

Paul didn't even keep what others try to make him teach because he kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 faithfully decades after the Cross just as Jesus commissioned. Mat 28:18-20 and Jesus said would happen Mat 24:20

Sad that man fights so hard to remove God's Sabbath commandment- the only commandment that uses the words holy and blessed and that reveals God as our Creator, over all heaven and earth, Exo 20:11 which is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7. God said to Remember- man says to forget. I am going with God and trusting Jesus when He tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 because Jesus who also kept the commandments and teaches us to, would only lead us on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14.

Regarding Truth, this is Truth in Scripture

God's Word is Truth John 17:17
All of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
Jesus is Truth John 14:6

We need all of God's Truth in order to be set free. John 8:32
 
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Jesus said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments Mat 5:19-30 because when we keep our rules/traditions over keeping the commandments of God again quoting directly from the Ten Commandment Mat 15:3-14 ones heart is far from Him and one worships in vain, Yes, when people use Paul's clearly out of context words to teach we can break one of God's commandments, that is twisting his words to their destruction-worshipping in vain, having our heart far from Jesus, being least in heaven does not sound promising to me, because if we read the next verse Mat 5:20 means one won't be there.

Paul didn't even keep what others try to make him teach because he kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 faithfully just as Jesus commissioned. Mat 28:18-20

Sad that man fights so hard to remove God's Sabbath commandment- the only commandment that reveals God our Creator, over all heaven and earth, Exo 20:11 which is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7

Suit yourself. This will all get sorted out soon enough.

I do wish you well, Going sign out but hopefully people will really study the scriptures and not follow what is popular with man. Anytime we start following the popular more traveled road, it has always been wrong in scripture.
I Bless you, Sibling in Jesus. I forgive you from my heart for believing that people that don't Keep the fourth commandment will be Judged harshly by Jesus. I hold peace with you within my soul.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, Sibling in Jesus who is indwelled by Jesus.
 
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I Bless you, Sibling in Jesus. I forgive you from my heart for believing that people that don't Keep the fourth commandment will be Judged harshly by Jesus. I hold peace with you within my soul.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, Sibling in Jesus who is indwelled by Jesus.
There is no need to forgive me, I am not the one who judges, the plain scripture says if we break one of the commandments quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandment, we break them all and will be Judged by them James 2:10-12. by Christ 2 Cor 5:10 Scripture shows us clearly God Judges us from the Ten Commandments Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15 We serve a God of justice and fairness, He is not going to Judge us without giving us the criteria on which He Judges us by. It's not just the Sabbath commandment that we will be Judged by, its all of them- why His Ten Commandments sits under His mercy seat- Rev 11:19 I wouldn't want to remove anything that He covers under His mercy seat Exo 20:6 because scriptures tells us we must not only confess our sins, we must forsake them Pro 28:13. While we can't do it alone, we can through the power of Jesus John 14:15-18 but sadly many choose to cling to their old life of sin Rom 8:7-8 instead of being free by the law of liberty- the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12 and being free of the bondage of sin. Can you imagine life if everyone was keeping God's law. No more crime, no more anger, no more lust, no more murder, stealing, lying, the devil would flee because we would be only worshipping God. Sounds like heaven- where even the Sabbath continues for worship thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23

To answer your question about Psa 89:34 how I know that is about God's Ten Commandments/Covenant Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 because the scripture tells us so. God doesn't break any of His covenants, He never has nor will He ever. Why all of the commandments were kept faithfully in the NT because it's God's commandments that was written in our hearts Heb 8:10 just as He promised Deut 4:13 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 and why Jesus taught when we break these same commandments- our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 because we are rebelling from what God placed there.

Psa 89:31 If they break My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
32 Then I will punish their transgression with the rod,
And their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him,
Nor ]allow My faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.


I beleive our time on this earth is coming to an end. We are told the devil has deceived the whole world Rev 12:9 Trust the teachings of Jesus and live by them, He will only bring us back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
 
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I Bless you, Sibling in Jesus. I forgive you from my heart for believing that people that don't Keep the fourth commandment will be Judged harshly by Jesus. I hold peace with you within my soul.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, Sibling in Jesus who is indwelled by Jesus.
I appreciate the way that you addressed this by asking questions and offering forgiveness.

I've struggled very much, internally, with this issue/subject, in regard to contending for the faith, while in a venue such as this.
It often becomes a contentious subject and God has been dealing with me because I seem to have a contentious nature... so, I've just been stating what I believe and then pretty much leaving alone after that.

Thank you for showing me another option.
 
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I've heard of the Bible Project, from a long time ago... but had forgotten about it.
Thanks for the reminder! I've been looking for something a bit of soundness to it.
I taught a Sunday school class on this a little bit ago. The outline was basically this:
Showed the short video
Give a brief history and rundown beyond the video
Ask the class to imagine they are the Galatians dealing with the very things Paul is discussing, as well as imagine they are part of that culture.
Then, as if they are one of the churches in Galatia, read it to them in its entirety.
When done, ask them if anything came out that they had never thought of before when reading it or studying it in the past.

One interesting thing happened. I meant to only read it. But It became a "dramatic" reading, and more than once my tears flowed as I read. It was very powerful for me, personally. And I wasn't the only one.
 
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I appreciate the way that you addressed this by asking questions and offering forgiveness.

I've struggled very much, internally, with this issue/subject, in regard to contending for the faith, while in a venue such as this.
It often becomes a contentious subject and God has been dealing with me because I seem to have a contentious nature... so, I've just been stating what I believe and then pretty much leaving alone after that.

Thank you for showing me another option.
Thank you for the kind encouragement, Brother! I've come a long way! I still have to remind myself that only Paul and Jesus can talk like Paul and Jesus on forums. :tearsofjoy:
 
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The commandment says this:

Written on Stone by the finger of God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 there is no greater Authority!

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

There is no commandment of God to keep the first day holy. It was not blessed by God or sanctified by God but made for works and labors Exo 20:9. Keeping Sunday is a tradition of man. This is what Jesus said about keeping traditions of man overing obeying the commandments of God Mat 15:1-14 It's a pretty powerful teaching that sadly many people gloss over.
So do you disregard the teachings of Christ in the New Testament? Maybe you prefer being a part of the old covenant. I prefer to follow Jesus into the new covenant. Have you ever thought of taking on al of the 613 Orthodox laws of the nation of Israel? You may find comfort there because they also follow the old covenant.

Again, as Jesus said:
27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

I understand how people can feel more secure depending on works of the law in the first covenant for their salvation. It makes sense but when you decide that following the letter of the law and being a part of the first covenant will be one's salvation, they need to remember that the entirety of the first covenant la is 623 non-negotiable commandments.

I prefer to join the second covenant where I have a savior to advocate for me and teach me the way to him. In the above verses, I do not believe that our Christ is lying to us. I'm a Christian, not a member of the House of Israel. The Christ also told his followers:

Colossians 2:16-17 ESV​

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

LET NO MAN pass judgment on you about the Sabbath.

Are you implying that Jesus is a liar? As a Christian, I would be very surprised if you were.
 
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First you stated we should keep the Sabbath, but it doesn’t have to be on Saturday.

I provided the scripture on what God personally wrote and spoke and He was very clear when the Sabbath is.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The Sabbath is the only day God gave a name- all other days are day 1, day 2 and so forth. So when we see the Sabbath repeated throughout the scripture we know which day its on because God revealed that to us and He is the Creator of heaven and Earth so what He says is final.

So do you disregard the teachings of Christ in the New Testament? Maybe you prefer being a part of the old covenant. I prefer to follow Jesus into the new covenant. Have you ever thought of taking on al of the 613 Orthodox laws of the nation of Israel? You may find comfort there because they also follow the old covenant.
I’m not referring to 613 other laws, I am referring to the Ten Commandments which is where the Sabbath was written and part of the only law God both personally wrote and personally spoke Exo 32:16 and the only law that was placed inside the ark of the Covenant. The law that defines sin when we break Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 hence why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and not a dot or tittle can be changed to God’s law because no one is above the Authority of God. So changing the Sabbath to the first day, it not a doctrine from Christ, but was predicted Dan 7:25 just as we see history playing out
Again, as Jesus said:
27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
I'm not sure how this supports your argument. Man was made on the sixth day, the Sabbath was made afterward for man, not man for the Sabbath, man was made first. The Word Jesus used here means mankind. The Sabbath was made for man and for everyone Isa 56:6, thus saith the Lord- because we need God’s sanctification Eze 20:12- man cannot sanctify themselves. When we keep the Sabbath the way God told us to Exo 20:8-11 it shows we are worshipping the one True God, the only God who can create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 and it shows our allegiance is to God Eze 20:20, instead of to man who changed God’s times and laws just as predicted Dan 7:25
I understand how people can feel more secure depending on works of the law in the first covenant for their salvation. It makes sense but when you decide that following the letter of the law and being a part of the first covenant will be one's salvation, they need to remember that the entirety of the first covenant la is 623 non-negotiable commandments.

I prefer to join the second covenant where I have a savior to advocate for me and teach me the way to him. In the above verses, I do not believe that our Christ is lying to us. I'm a Christian, not a member of the House of Israel. The Christ also told his followers:

Colossians 2:16-17 ESV​

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

LET NO MAN pass judgment on you about the Sabbath.

Are you implying that Jesus is a liar? As a Christian, I would be very surprised if you were.
Sigh, sadly no one ever looks at the context of this passage which starts in v 14. There is more than one Sabbath in scripture and Paul made it abundantly clear if one were to examine carefully, would see Paul was not referring to God’s Sabbath commandment, that Paul has no authority to undermine nor would he, as he was a servant of Christ and why he also kept every Sabbath decades after the death of Christ Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus in His own Words said His faithful people would Mat 24:20

Where in the Ten Commandments does it deal with food, drink, festivals, new moons and sabbath(s) its plural here, but modern bible translations changes it to singular, but that's not in the original transcripts. No where does the Ten Commandments deal with these things, but it is in the handwritten ordinances by Moses. So not referring to the Ten Commandments, plus we should have faith that God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So we know this from Colossians 2:14 the context is about
1. ordinances that are handwritten
2. ordinances- not The Ten Commandments
3. ordinances that are contrary and against

Does this fit the Ten Commandment/Sabbath commandment in any way?
1. The Ten Commandments/Sabbath was finger-written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
2. The Ten are commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28
3. The Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- not the definition for contrary or against. Plus only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord to change His commandments- all the thus saith the Lords on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane.

Obviously if one is being honest, this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but the ordinances handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the Covenant (where the Sabbath commandment is) as a witness against

There is more than one Sabbath in scripture, so obviously not referring to the weekly Sabbath commandment, but the yearly sabbath(s) and festival ordinances that were handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that are about food and drink offerings that all pointed forward to Christ 1 Cor 5:7 Exo 12:43

Deuteronomy 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The book that contained the ordinances were outside the ark- all of the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment are inside the ark, written by God Himself, no greater Authority than He.

Colossians 2:17 gives us more insight...

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Lets go to Hebrews 10 as it explains it....

Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrificesthere is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world,

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, as it was part of Creation Gen 2:1-3 God’s perfect plan before the fall of man and God said Remember the Sabbath day- the Sabbath brings us back to Creation Exo 20:11 so we never forget who created us and where we came from. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings came after the fall of man so Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to the Sabbath commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Jesus in His own Words predicted 30+ years after His death His people at the destruction of Jerusalem would still be keeping the Sabbath Mat 24:20 and the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we have faith in Jesus we really need to have faith in His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 and the example He left for us. Luke 4:16 I John 2:6
 
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I provided the scripture on what God personally wrote and spoke and He was very clear when the Sabbath is.
And it was and is part of the old covenant. I belong to the newLuke 22:20 Did Jesus personally say anything? Doyou believe that Jesus would contradict the word of his father?

Luke 22:20 And likewise, the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Jesus is the New Covenant, the law was the old covenant for the Jews. I happen to be a Christian.

Let's try this again:

Matthew 12:8 ESV​

For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” You see, the Son of man is the Lord of the Sabbath, not the other way around. Jesus works on the Sabbath:

In John Jesus says:
15 If you love me keep my commandments.

What are Jesus' commandments?

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”​

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Does Jesus say anything about the Sabbath here? The literal translation of Sabbath is "day of rest." The word does not mean "Saturday." Jews take their day of rest on Saturday and Christians take theirs on Sunday. The Sabbath is a day of rest. God took his rest on Saturday and so do Jews. Since the Sabbath (day of rest) was made for man and man was not made for the Sabbath, Man cald take their day of rest on a Wednesday if they choose as long as they take a day of rest every week.

To recap. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and the Sabbath was made for MAN. I am a Christian, not a Jew so I follow the teachings of the

The Sabbath doesn't rule anybody and the Sabbath means a day of rest. It doesn't mean the 6th day.
I’m not referring to 613 other laws, I am referring to the Ten Commandments which is where the Sabbath was written and part of the only law God both personally wrote and personally spoke Exo 32:16 and the only law that was placed inside the ark of the Covenant. The law that defines sin when we break Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 hence why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and not a dot or tittle can be changed to God’s law because no one is above the Authority of God. So changing the Sabbath to the first day, it not a doctrine from Christ, but was predicted Dan 7:25 just as we see history playing out
If you are referring to following the old covenant instead of the new, yes that is 613 different kaws to adhere
the Sabbath was made afterward for man, not man for the Sabbath,
And, Sabbath means "day of rest." Not Saturday or 6th day.

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
What does this have to do with the Sabbath?
Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrificesthere is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world,
I don't know what you're getting at here but I believe this does say Jesus is the sacrifice and I agree but how does this relate to the Sabbath?
The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, as it was part of Creation
Yes and it's a part of the Jewish worship calendar. It's just that I am a Christian so there is no need for me to follow Jewish law.
The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, as it was part of Creation Gen 2:1-3 God’s perfect plan before the fall of man and God said Remember the Sabbath day- the Sabbath brings us back to Creation Exo 20:11 so we never forget who created us and where we came from. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings came after the fall of man so Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to the Sabbath commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Jesus in His own Words predicted 30+ years after His death His people at the destruction of Jerusalem would still be keeping the Sabbath Mat 24:20 and the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we have faith in Jesus we really need to have faith in His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 and the example He left for us. Luke 4:16 I John 2:6
That's all great but when you are a Christian, you know that the Sabbath is a day of rest period. Surely in the Torah and in the life of a Jew the 6th day has a special meaning. Because they live by the law and not by Christ. I live under the second covenant of Christ so I will continue to follow his instructions and I'll support the Jews in following the law of Moses TO me it's risky to depend on adherence to the law instead of a savior. I may not keep the law enough to be saved. So I'm happy and blessed to have an advocate for me and took my judgement on hims
 
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And it was and is part of the old covenant. I belong to the newLuke 22:20 Did Jesus personally say anything? Doyou believe that Jesus would contradict the word of his father?

Luke 22:20 And likewise, the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Jesus is the New Covenant, the law was the old covenant for the Jews. I happen to be a Christian.
Jesus is not the “New Covenant” He is the Mediator of the New Covenant Heb 9:15 just like Jesus is not the Sabbath, He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 people keep trying to make Jesus into the creation when He is the Creator.
Let's try this again:
Please- lets prayerfully read all the scriptures presented.

Matthew 12:8 ESV​

For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” You see, the Son of man is the Lord of the Sabbath, not the other way around.
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, yes, He is not the sabbath, a day or a commandment. The commandments are for us to keep- Jesus never gave Himself a commandment.
Jesus works on the Sabbath:
This is what the Jews accused Jesus of doing yet Jesus in His own Words said He never sinned or broke any of the commandments John 8:46-47 John 15:10 so I guess its a matter if one is on the camp who crucified Jesus or trusts and has faith in what Jesus says. I am in the later camp.
In John Jesus says:
15 If you love me keep my commandments.

What are Jesus' commandments?

Matthew 22:36-40​

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”​

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Is it your claim when Jesus taught something in one place, it automatically deletes His teachings in others. Can you please find the verse that says this?

The greatest commandments is the Ten Commandments summarized Rom 13:9. Love to God are in the first 4 and the last 6 are how to love our neighbor- the summary does not delete the details.

Jesus taught from the Ten Commandments often and taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 because when one keep their own rules/traditions over the commandments of God Jesus again quoting and teaching directly from the Ten Commandments said ones heart is far from Him and one worships Him in vain Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13. Jesus wants our hearts close to Him which is why He wrote His law in our hearts because that is right where sin begins and Jesus does not want us to sin because it shows our heart is with another master 1 John 3:8 Rom 6:16 and Jesus wants us to belong to Him, which is why He gave us the sign of the Sabbath. We are either His Eze 20:20 or with the ones who changed God’s times and laws we are warned about Dan 7:25

Does Jesus say anything about the Sabbath here?
Jesus kept every Sabbath Luke 4:16 John 15:10 and is our examples to follow. 1 John 2:6. Jesus taught the Sabbath would be kept decades after the Cross by His faithful Mat 24:20 and will kept for eternity for His saints, thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. One teaching of Jesus does not delete another.
The literal translation of Sabbath is "day of rest." The word does not mean "Saturday."
Let me provide this scripture one more time, because these are not my words you’re arguing with. God personally wrote and spoke these clear, easy to understand Words.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

No other day is the Sabbath according to God. If we are a servant of God we yield ourselves servants to His Words otherwise by default, we because a servant of sin Rom 6:16. We are told to live by His every Word that proceeds out of the moth of God. Mat 4:4

Jews take their day of rest on Saturday and Christians take theirs on Sunday.
Where is the verse for this? Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind Mat 2:27 and for everyone.Isa 56:1-6 so again your argument is not with me. God never called the Sabbath, the Sabbath of the Jews, He claims it as His Sabbath and calls it My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 what gives anyone the right to change one dot of an t or cross of an i that proceeds out of the mouth of God as if the creation knows better than our Creator.
The Sabbath is a day of rest. God took his rest on Saturday and so do Jews. Since the Sabbath (day of rest) was made for man and man was not made for the Sabbath, Man cald take their day of rest on a Wednesday if they choose as long as they take a day of rest every week.
God was specific- He wrote the Sabbath commandment in Stone with His own finger Exo 32:16 Exo 31:16 you will have to take it up with with Him about it as to why He choose the seventh day Sabbath to rest and keep holy for mankind, many in scripture choose to not listen to Him and profaned His holy Sabbath and it didn’t work out so well. Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 Eze 22:26 no wonder why we are commissioned not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 as if doing the same thing will yield a different result. We have free will to test any theory we want but Jesus warned us not to break or teach others to break the least of the commandments, sadly many really do not believe in the teachings of Jesus, they believe in Jesus but don’t believed or do what He asks. We are called to be doers of God’s Word, not just hearers. James 1:22
 
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people keep trying to make Jesus into the creation when He is the Creator.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, yes, He is not the sabbath, a day or a commandment. The commandments are for us to keep- Jesus never gave Himself a commandment.

This is what the Jews accused Jesus of doing yet Jesus in His own Words said He never sinned or broke any of the commandments

Jesus taught from the Ten Commandments often and taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments
Yes, and he taught that keeping the first two keeps them all.
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We are no longer required to keep the Old Testament law, we are required to keep the law of love.

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets” (Matt: 22:37–40).
Jesus kept every Sabbath
He also allowed his disciples to break it to pick grain. As it is written:

12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

As you can see, observing the Sabbath on Saturday is not required to obtain salvation. Our covenant with Jesus (body and blood) is. While we should always take a day of rest, it is in the old covenant that it must be Saturday. It's a great gimmick to preach that worshipping on Saturday will save
No other day is the Sabbath according to God.
Well, yes and no. Sabbath doesn't actually mean "7th day." It means "day of rest." No there is no denying that the nation of Israel observed the Sabbath on Saturday but after the coming of Jesus were were freed from the letter of the law. Now we follow the law of Love which means following our conscience. Legalism went ou with the first covenant. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with worshipping on Saturday. It's just that worshipping on Saturday will not save your soul. Jesus the Christ is the advocate that saves your soul, not the Saturday Sabbath. But it is definitely a good gimmick for starting one's own church.
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind
Exactly, that is why we were able to make it a different day than the Jews. Being made for man indicates that man is in control of it.
God was specific- He wrote the Sabbath commandment in Stone with His own finger
Again Sabbath means "day of rest" not Saturday. In that time the day of rest was on Saturday. Jesus freed us from the letter of the law and now it's Sunday. I understand wanting to follow the old ways but Saturday Sabbath is hardly anything to base a religion on. I prefer the religion that follows Jesus rather than Saturday.
 
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Yes, and he taught that keeping the first two keeps them all.
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We are no longer required to keep the Old Testament law, we are required to keep the law of love.

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets” (Matt: 22:37–40).

He also allowed his disciples to break it to pick grain. As it is written:

12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Jesus never allowed his disciples to sin while condemning other for sinning. It’s why He said His disciples were guiltless Mat 12:7, not because Jesus was a hypocrite but because it’s not a sin to pick a piece of grain if hungry on the Sabbath and eat, no different than picking fruit and eating it. You once again are siding with the Pharisees- where in the Sabbath commandment says one can’t eat Exo 20:8-11
As you can see, observing the Sabbath on Saturday is not required to obtain salvation. Our covenant with Jesus (body and blood) is. While we should always take a day of rest, it is in the old covenant that it must be Saturday. It's a great gimmick to preach that worshipping on Saturday will save

Well, yes and no. Sabbath doesn't actually mean "7th day." It means "day of rest."
The Sabbath is the seventh day- your argument is not with me. Exo 20:10

The day we are to rest from our works and keep the seventh day holy thus saith the Lord Exo 20:8-11
No there is no denying that the nation of Israel observed the Sabbath on Saturday but after the coming of Jesus were were freed from the letter of the law. Now we follow the law of Love which means following our conscience. Legalism went ou with the first covenant. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with worshipping on Saturday. It's just that worshipping on Saturday will not save your soul. Jesus the Christ is the advocate that saves your soul, not the Saturday Sabbath. But it is definitely a good gimmick for starting one's own church.

Exactly, that is why we were able to make it a different day than the Jews. Being made for man indicates that man is in control of it.

Again Sabbath means "day of rest" not Saturday. In that time the day of rest was on Saturday. Jesus freed us from the letter of the law and now it's Sunday. I understand wanting to follow the old ways but Saturday Sabbath is hardly anything to base a religion on. I prefer the religion that follows Jesus rather than Saturday.

So we are freed from only worshipping God, now free to bow to idols, we can freely murder, covet or break the least of these commandments. Where is that scripture? Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of the commandments and it affects our status in heaven Mat 5:19

Breaking the Sabbath commandment is no different than breaking any of the Ten Commandments, breaking one is like breaking them all James 2:10-12. While we are not saved by any law-keeping we are only saved by faith though the blood of Christ. If we have faith in Jesus, its more than believing His teachings or believing in Jesus, we must actually have enough faith to do them Rev 22:14 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 2:27 Isa 56:1-6 Mar 7:7-13 Mat 5:19-30 John 14:15 which is what reconciles us Rev 22:14

Guess we will have to agree to disagree, all will get sorted out soon enough but I wish you well in seeking Truth to God’s Word.
 
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Guess we will have to agree to disagree, all will get sorted out soon enough but I wish you well in seeking Truth to God’s Word.
I was going to get into some of the reasons The Church began worshipping on Sunday like that is when Christ was raised and that was the day of Pentecost and a few other things but I also see that we are at an impasse.

I want you to know that I don't think there is anything wrong with Saturday worship and you have very valid reasons for doing so. I wish you well and may God bless you. I also want to compliment you on your knowledge of scripture.
 
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I was going to get into some of the reasons The Church began worshipping on Sunday like that is when Christ was raised and that was the day of Pentecost and a few other things but I also see that we are at an impasse.

I want you to know that I don't think there is anything wrong with Saturday worship and you have very valid reasons for doing so. I wish you well and may God bless you. I also want to compliment you on your knowledge of scripture.
There is no commandment to keep Sunday holy, but there is for the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 written and spoken on God’s Authority. Exo 32:16 I was going to show you where your own church claims they changed God’s Sabbath, not based on scripture but their own authority. If you want to see the quotes, I am happy to share. Otherwise, we are at an impasse and wish you well.
 
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There is no commandment to keep Sunday holy, but there is for the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 written and spoken on God’s Authority. Exo 32:16 I was going to show you where your own church claims they changed God’s Sabbath, not based on scripture but their own authority. If you want to see the quotes, I am happy to share. Otherwise, we are at an impasse and wish you well.
I don't need to see the quote but I wanted to point out that St Peter was given the keys to the church hundreds of years before the biblical cannon was established. But I think that's just another denominational difference that can't be resolved here. Scripture is very important for the continuity of the teaching of the early Church but we need to remember that the universal Church was ordaining, preaching, and teaching hundreds of years before the Bible as we know it was given authority. They certainly studied the books and letters contained in the New Testament however While that does not diminish the importance of scripture, it's important to also understand that The Church came before the Bible, not the other way around. When Jesus passed the keys of the Church tp St Peter, he also gave St Peter the right to bind or loose the law which was passed down to the Church that was founded that day. That was the catholic (meaning universal) church that was given authority. At that point the Jewish community was no longer the source of faith but Jesus Christ.

Like I said, I don't think that Saturday worship is in any way wrong. It's just a Jewish practice rather than a Christian one. I understand that the law is the law but my religion also teaches the God continues to make revelation through his Church. I put more faith in Christ than the law of Isreal. But here I go beating a dead horse. There is likely no way we will see eye to eye on this topic. I'd like to give you the opportunity to have the last word and I will read it with an open heart and mind with no rebuttal. Again, God bless you
 
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I don't need to see the quote but I wanted to point out that St Peter was given the keys to the church hundreds of years before the biblical cannon was established. But I think that's just another denominational difference that can't be resolved here. Scripture is very important for the continuity of the teaching of the early Church but we need to remember that the universal Church was ordaining, preaching, and teaching hundreds of years before the Bible as we know it was given authority. They certainly studied the books and letters contained in the New Testament however While that does not diminish the importance of scripture, it's important to also understand that The Church came before the Bible, not the other way around. When Jesus passed the keys of the Church tp St Peter, he also gave St Peter the right to bind or loose the law which was passed down to the Church that was founded that day. That was the catholic (meaning universal) church that was given authority. At that point the Jewish community was no longer the source of faith but Jesus Christ.

Like I said, I don't think that Saturday worship is in any way wrong. It's just a Jewish practice rather than a Christian one. I understand that the law is the law but my religion also teaches the God continues to make revelation through his Church. I put more faith in Christ than the law of Isreal. But here I go beating a dead horse. There is likely no way we will see eye to eye on this topic. I'd like to give you the opportunity to have the last word and I will read it with an open heart and mind with no rebuttal. Again, God bless you
The Authority is Jesus Christ, not Peter, Peter was a servant and a servant is never greater than their master. Jesus said He has all Authority over heaven and earth Mat 28:18-20 the apostles were only servants and nothing linking Peter to the Catholic church, other than their own claims. They also claim they changed God’s Sabbath based on their authority, not scripture.

There is no scripture that says the Sabbath has been abrogated by God. If you want to follow your church and obey them over what Jesus taught Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 2:27 Mat 19:17-19, thats a choice one can make. Christ tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 thats where I place my faith.

Take care :)
 
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the apostles were only servants and nothing linking Peter to the Catholic church, other than their own claims. They also claim they changed God’s Sabbath based on their authority, not scripture.
Well, there was one Apostle who in service to Christ, was handed the keys to the kingdom. as it states in the Bible that we both believe in:

“And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matt. 16:14–19.)

So as you can see, St Peter was given authority over the Church and did not eliminate the Sabbath (day of rest). We still have a day of rest and in fact we are able to celebrate Mass 7 days a week including Saturdays. I don't see a problem there.
There is no scripture that says the Sabbath has been abrogated by God. If you want to follow your church and obey them over what Jesus taught Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 2:27 Mat 19:17-19, thats a choice one can make. Christ tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4 thats where I place my faith.
Does that include the 613 Levitical laws? They were also given by God in the Old Testament. When Jesus redeemed us, we became Christians and not just Jews (even though the first Christians were Jews). Jesus also said "on the first two commandments lay ALL the law and the prophets." Was he lying or just mistaken?

I'm sorry to keep this exchange dragging on but I felt I had to defend myself and the original Church. The first existed since before the books that would make up the New Testament were voted to be divinely inspired. Also, the same Church decided what was and wasn't divinely inspired. I trust the original Church. I truly think they know what they are talking about one layman's revamped interpretation.

I'll let it go now, God bless. I think you have a very valid argument. I just trust the church that The Rock St Peter founded in Rome after he was given the keys to the kingdom by Jesus Christ..
 
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