Should we be more strict with gluttony?

[Cimorene]

All humour aside, it is my observation that obesity is a real problem in Canada and the statistics suggest that it is even worse in the USA.

I think maybe in Canada it's bc it's so cold that ppl just stay inside & eat to socialize. Idk.

But then again maybe I'm wrong bc the states that have the fattest ppl in the US are in the South. Maybe they stay inside to eat bc it's so hot out?

Idk. I drink too much stuff like hot cocoa & mocha that has got too many calories when it's so cold. You can forget that you're taking in so many calories when you're just drinking them.

 

[Cimorene]

I am 76 and I could still get into my age 20 military uniform. OK,OK! I would have to suck in my gut a bit.

Whoa. That military uniform is older than I am. That's really cool you kept it. I just cleared out my closet of old stuff but it was like 3 yrs old not that old.

 

[MournfulWatcher]

A lot of fat people in the US and a lot of risk-related diseases. I say this as someone who is not in good physical condition.

There's more to gluttony then just food or getting fat. Americans in general take way more than we need. We want the biggest trucks to look cool, we want half a dozen different entertainment systems to keep ourselves satisfied, we buy clothes that we don't even need, and we have excess food we don't want so we throw it out, wasting several tons every year.

Overeating is a form of gluttony but not the only form, and not always the most severe form. And being overweight isn't necessarily an indication of overeating. I can eat more than some of my fat friends and I've never been overweight in my life.

 

[Cimorene]

There's more to gluttony then just food or getting fat. Americans in general take way more than we need. We want the biggest trucks to look cool, we want half a dozen different entertainment systems to keep ourselves satisfied, we buy clothes that we don't even need, and we have excess food we don't want so we throw it out, wasting several tons every year.

Overeating is a form of gluttony but not the only form, and not always the most severe form. And
overweight isn't necessarily an indication of overeating. I can eat more than some of my fat friends and I've never been overweight in my life.

Really? Do Americans really want the biggest trucks to look cool? That's gotta be in areas other than where we lived when we were in America (I'm American but live in Canada now). Bc I'd hate to have a truck w the parking spaces being small in a lot of areas & the fuel costs being so high to fill a big truck up.

That is true that ppl are wasteful in a lot of ways.

Yeah I think genetics & age play a huge part in whether you become overweight. My brother eats all day long nonstop & is still thin. He's younger but boys my age eat that way too like they eat so fast ur scared they're gonna choke, and stay thin. But old ppl who eat that way still are way more at risk of getting fat.

 

[blackribbon]

Even though I am "Big Government David", I am thinking more about promoting a healthy lifestyle while showing the consequences of sugars, trans fats, etc.

Do you think most people think that over-eating and being fat is healthy? We are educated on this. It didn't stop people from smoking.

The problem also goes in judging a person based on their size because in some cases, it is has a medical cause. Being treated with corticosteriods makes a person "fatten" up and look overweight. It also decreases muscle mass. This has nothing to do with gluttony and often is a life-saving medical treatment (because nobody willingly takes a medication that is going to make them fat). Judging a person you don't know as "being a glutton" risks being wrong and critical about someone who is actually fighting things like cancer.

 

[Cimorene]

Do you think most people think that over-eating and being fat is healthy? We are educated on this. It didn't stop people from smoking.

The problem also goes in judging a person based on their size because in some cases, it is has a medical cause. Being treated with corticosteriods makes a person "fatten" up and look overweight. It also decreases muscle mass. This has nothing to do with gluttony and often is a life-saving medical treatment (because nobody willingly takes a medication that is going to make them fat). Judging a person you don't know as "being a glutton" risks being wrong and critical about someone who is actually fighting things like cancer.

Are a lot of ppl treated longterm w corticosteroids? I know lots are for short term stuff. I'm friends irl with Ella from here she's had to take them her whole life bc when she was a baby she got chickenpox that caused sepsis & the sepsis destroyed her adrenal glands. She's super skinny like she wears a size 23 jeans, 23 being the inches. I wear a 27 or 28 and I'm honestly not fat or anything I just look it next to her. She's scared of getting fat when she's older bc of the meds but I think most ppl don't take them routinely? I know there's the disease that's the opposite of hers, Cushings, that can make ppl heavy. Don't most ppl just take them to recover from an injury or illness, like short term, not for life?

 

[blackribbon]

A lot of fat people in the US and a lot of risk-related diseases. I say this as someone who is not in good physical condition.

Do you need to be shamed to solve your problem? Do you not know it is a problem because you are not aware that being fat is not healthy? What would cause you to change....sitting in church and hearing that you are a sinner?

What is the purpose of your post? Do you think most fat people are not aware they are fat and that isn't healthy?

There are more reasons that a person gets fat than simply greedy gluttony.

 

[blackribbon]

Are a lot of ppl treated longterm w corticosteroids? I know lots are for short term stuff. I'm friends irl with Ella from here she's had to take them her whole life bc when she was a baby she got chickenpox that caused sepsis & the sepsis destroyed her adrenal glands. She's super skinny like she wears a size 23 jeans, 23 being the inches. I wear a 27 or 28 and I'm honestly not fat or anything I just look it next to her. She's scared of getting fat when she's older bc of the meds but I think most ppl don't take them routinely? I know there's the disease that's the opposite of hers, Cushings, that can make ppl heavy. Don't most ppl just take them to recover from an injury or illness, like short term, not for life?

Most people don't need any medication "for life". However, there are a lot of people who have to take them for periods of time throughout their lives...and it doesn't take a long time to "get fat" on high doses. I watch my husband, who was thin for his entire life (6ft and a waist of 30 at his heaviest), puff up into a doughboy after being on corticosteriods to prevent brain inflammation related to brain tumor, in just two weeks. People with lung issues such as asthma can be on and off them for life. I take them for arthritis of the back.

I have cared for a person who looked severely obese but she actually had a rare disease that made her body overproduce fat cells and it wasn't based on consumption. It started when she was 8 years old and is a genetic disorder. Even the nurses treated her badly and said snide remarks about her losing weight. I took the time to look up her diagnoses since I wasn't familiar with it. Poor woman was even ostracized by her church...when instead they should have been serving her as one of their sick.

 

[blackribbon]

Are a lot of ppl treated longterm w corticosteroids? I know lots are for short term stuff. I'm friends irl with Ella from here she's had to take them her whole life bc when she was a baby she got chickenpox that caused sepsis & the sepsis destroyed her adrenal glands. She's super skinny like she wears a size 23 jeans, 23 being the inches. I wear a 27 or 28 and I'm honestly not fat or anything I just look it next to her. She's scared of getting fat when she's older bc of the meds but I think most ppl don't take them routinely? I know there's the disease that's the opposite of hers, Cushings, that can make ppl heavy. Don't most ppl just take them to recover from an injury or illness, like short term, not for life?

Even if only one person appears fat for reasons other than gluttony, is it okay to fat shame that person by mistake? especially in the church.

 

[Elliewaves]

Interesting op....... does gluttony include only food consumption or is it more more and more of anything? If the government deems other sins worth going after .......etc etc. Personally I have no problems with govts restricting the sell of too large drinks or crap food or taxing it. Want to ruin your teeth and health , pay some tax on it. Maybe monies taxed could go towards some sort of health fund to help pay bills on obesity related problems.

 

[blackribbon]

Interesting op....... does gluttony include only food consumption or is it more more and more of anything? If the government deems other sins worth going after .......etc etc. Personally I have no problems with govts restricting the sell of too large drinks or crap food or taxing it. Want to ruin your teeth and health , pay some tax on it. Maybe monies taxed could go towards some sort of health fund to help pay bills on obesity related problems.

What if the large drink is bought to save money and share between two people? Why would this be a legal function of the government. We already pay tax on the drink.

 

[Elliewaves]

Wouldn't matter to me.....tax on the size. The people splitting it can split the cost. We can question the legality of the govt to tax or enforce any moral issue or sin.

 

[blackribbon]

Wouldn't matter to me.....tax on the size. The people splitting it can split the cost. We can question the legality of the govt to tax or enforce any moral issue or sin.

That is the problem...."it wouldn't matter to me". Many times when money was tight, my kids and i would share luxury items. However, I guess, you just don't think they deserved luxury items because we were poor? And the legality of the government to tax morality means you would also be okay with them taxing church attendance, too...since that is about morality and sin.

 

[Elliewaves]

Lol I said none of that. The OP is about regulating gluttony. Please don't attack me or put words in my mouth; I've said nothing about you personally or your kids. I would have no problem with taxing sugary drinks or gross food products. As to if people without lots of money could splurge on junk food..... that would be up to them. I save up for treats and have done so many times over and I don't have a problem with others doing it too. Should the government do junk taxes? Maybe if the money taxed went into things like dental care and medical Bill's. I'm not saying this should absolutely be law; I am just exploring the what if of the op.

 

[blackribbon]

Lol I said none of that. The OP is about regulating gluttony. Please don't attack me; I've said nothing about you personally. I would have no problem with taxing sugary drinks or gross food products. As to if people without lots of money could splurge on junk food..... that would be up to them. I save up for treats and have done so many times over and I don't have a problem with others doing it too. Should the government do junk taxes? Maybe if the money taxed went into things like dental care and medical Bill's. I'm not saying this should absolutely be law; I am just exploring the what if of the op.

But you are attacking me...saying that I should pay more tax on a large drink because it is "gluttony" even if it shared between two or three people just because it comes in a single cup and not three small cups. And since I pay for mine and their dental and medical bills, why should I have to pay for other people's medical costs because I want to buy a large size drink.

If you allow government to control one area of someone else's life, then you have to be prepared when something you do falls in the same category and is now being taxed.

How about we just stand on a scale and pay BMI tax? Everyone who is classified as "overweight" has to write a check to the government and sent it in each month. It makes as much sense. No other consideration for the rest of your health and lifestyle. Just pay the tax.

How about taxing people who leave their lights on too long at night because getting enough sleep is also a significant health risk? Because of course, anyone awake after 10pm must not be getting enough sleep? Making an assumption like that is the same as assuming anyone who orders a large drink is a glutton or obese.

 

[Elliewaves]

Oh well..... not all taxation, benefits all people directly but it impacts a healthy society at large. We all pay tons of taxes that help others than ourselves. If gov't deems it acceptable to tax then you must pay it to indulge; it's part of being a citizen. And no I did not attack you personally or your kids; that is a falsehood. If hypothetical topics like this make you so emotionally offended personally and makes you attack others and accuse them falsely of personally hurting you then maybe you shouldn't join in discussion. It's a little ridiculous. I won't be responding to you again. Personally I feel if it curbs sugar addiction or the idea of sugar crap as a "comfort" then maybe it would have positive effects. Do I absolutely believe all the junk should be taxed? no, but if it ever swung that way; I would have no problem with it, sorry. If I ever were to buy a large drink, I'd just pay the extra tax and buy it anyway even if it means i had to save a little extra to buy it as my special sugary "treat".

ETA: From a gov't standpoint , enacting such a tax or something probably has more to do with them being concerned about enough citizens dying from obesity or suffering and not being able to get treatment for obesity related things rather than concern for some parents who are now limited in how often they give sugar treats to their kids.

 

[Cimorene]

Even if only one person appears fat for reasons other than gluttony, is it okay to fat shame that person by mistake? especially in the church.

Did you intend to post this to someone else? I haven't said anything about fat shaming anybody.

 

[Cimorene]

Most people don't need any medication "for life". However, there are a lot of people who have to take them for periods of time throughout their lives...and it doesn't take a long time to "get fat" on high doses. I watch my husband, who was thin for his entire life (6ft and a waist of 30 at his heaviest), puff up into a doughboy after being on corticosteriods to prevent brain inflammation related to brain tumor, in just two weeks. People with lung issues such as asthma can be on and off them for life. I take them for arthritis of the back.

I have cared for a person who looked severely obese but she actually had a rare disease that made her body overproduce fat cells and it wasn't based on consumption. It started when she was 8 years old and is a genetic disorder. Even the nurses treated her badly and said snide remarks about her losing weight. I took the time to look up her diagnoses since I wasn't familiar with it. Poor woman was even ostracized by her church...when instead they should have been serving her as one of their sick.

I know most don't, which is why I asked the q, bc you'd confuzzled me. Some, like Ella, do, but that's much more rare.

Did your husband not lose the weight when he went off the medication? My dad gained weight when he took it for a back injury but once he stopped taking it & resumed his normal activities it just fell off him. He's not young or anything, he just runs to stay active.

 

[blackribbon]

Did you intend to post this to someone else? I haven't said anything about fat shaming anybody.

What do you think taxing someone for being fat is?

 

[blackribbon]

I know most don't, which is why I asked the q, bc you'd confuzzled me. Some, like Ella, do, but that's much more rare.

Did your husband not lose the weight when he went off the medication? My dad gained weight when he took it for a back injury but once he stopped taking it & resumed his normal activities it just fell off him. He's not young or anything, he just runs to stay active.

No, my husband had a series of seizures and died.

And no, not everyone does lose the weight.