Should trying to conceive a child be made illegal if personhood starts at conception?

[Desk trauma]

a national socialists will...

And we have Godwin. I would like to thank everyone for participating, good night.

 

[TLK Valentine]

a national socialists will say destroying the life of "undesirables" is morally acceptable because they are a drain on the productive

Not knowing any national socialists myself, I wouldn't know what they would say.

Nor would I care.

Also

in the case of the all non aryans a national socialist will say they are not human you see the national socialists deny the truth we are all humans and justify it by our differences inside and out

Feel free to discuss it with a national socialist. Make a point?

But the truth is we are all humans just like even though there is many different fish some extremely different then others they are in truth all fish

Biologically true. Make a point?

As a EX national socialist i can tell you when you buy the lie it seems just like truth in fact you hold the lie so tight you mock anyone who disagrees you elevate yourself to the point you look down on all who haven't "woke up yet" back then i truly believed it was acceptable because it was "for the greater good"

First of all, punctuation is your friend.

Second, guessing games bore me. What lie are you going on about?

Third, I'm not sure what you think you've "woke up" from, but it seems to be a convenient excuse to look down on those who don't agree with you. I'll pass.

Furthermore why don't you look into how the national socialists sold the murder of the mentally ill to the public you will see the "personhood" argument is in line with national socialist doctrine

Being an EX national socialist, your fixation on national socialists is understandable. Not being one myself means I neither share your history nor your fixation.

Try a different tack.

Now to go full circle

Or around a circle, as the case may be.

i ask you why is it okay to destroy a life that has done no wrong

you say life is not sacred

Not inherently so, no. That would be an emotional position.

Thus if no life is sacred how can you hold yourself. Your partner family or children above that of a fetus

The same way I can hold such a life as more valuable than that of a random stranger... you, for example.

You can't so you your partner children etc and the fetus are on equal ground

A complete breakdown in logic, based on shoddy reasoning, which renders everything from this point onward meaningless.

Allow me the chance to attempt to explain your error: you think that because life is not inherently valuable, that it has no value at all.

This is nonsense.

Life has the value that we place upon it. Even if I were to believe that you hold all life as inherently "sacred" -- and I already know you don't -- I'm under no obligation to accept your value system as my own.

What follows is bad sophistry based on a fatally flawed premise. But for the sake of entertainment, continue.

Therefore if anyone deems you or any of yours a "inconvenience" as others deem a fetus do they not have the equal right to destroy their life as you do a fetus

Wasn't it someone who bore a striking resemblance to yourself who suggested that rapists should be executed to deter other rapists? Seems like you've deemed them an "inconvenience."

Also if you truly believe no life is sacred you should applaud people who massacre others like Hitler Stalin or any of the shooting such as sandy hook.

Ah, nothing quite like the emotional impact of Godwin's Law. When all else fails... it will too.

Because based on your belief--

You would have to get my beliefs correct before you can base anything on them.

Thus far, you have failed.

 

[Gregory95]

Not knowing any national socialists myself, I wouldn't know what they would say.

Nor would I care.



Feel free to discuss it with a national socialist. Make a point?



Biologically true. Make a point?



First of all, punctuation is your friend.

Second, guessing games bore me. What lie are you going on about?

Third, I'm not sure what you think you've "woke up" from, but it seems to be a convenient excuse to look down on those who don't agree with you. I'll pass.



Being an EX national socialist, your fixation on national socialists is understandable. Not being one myself means I neither share your history nor your fixation.

Try a different tack.



Or around a circle, as the case may be.



Not inherently so, no. That would be an emotional position.



The same way I can hold such a life as more valuable than that of a random stranger... you, for example.




A complete breakdown in logic, based on shoddy reasoning, which renders everything from this point onward meaningless.

Allow me the chance to attempt to explain your error: you think that because life is not inherently valuable, that it has no value at all.

This is nonsense.

Life has the value that we place upon it. Even if I were to believe that you hold all life as inherently "sacred" -- and I already know you don't -- I'm under no obligation to accept your value system as my own.

What follows is bad sophistry based on a fatally flawed premise. But for the sake of entertainment, continue.




Wasn't it someone who bore a striking resemblance to yourself who suggested that rapists should be executed to deter other rapists? Seems like you've deemed them an "inconvenience."



Ah, nothing quite like the emotional impact of Godwin's Law. When all else fails... it will too.



You would have to get my beliefs correct before you can base anything on them.

Thus far, you have failed.

Try a different tactic this run around the point you do is quite useless

 

[TLK Valentine]

In case it is not obvious I will say it

Those who hold no value to life have zero right to say who lives and dies

No value, or no inherent value?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Try a different tactic this run around the point you do is quite useless

I've been quite direct, actually. Your posts begin with a fatal flaw in logic which I'm always glad to point out and explain, which leads to an emotional tirade which I comment on for the entertainment value.

Nice and straightforward, don't you think?

 

[Gregory95]

Not knowing any national socialists myself, I wouldn't know what they would say.

Nor would I care.



Feel free to discuss it with a national socialist. Make a point?



Biologically true. Make a point?



First of all, punctuation is your friend.

Second, guessing games bore me. What lie are you going on about?

Third, I'm not sure what you think you've "woke up" from, but it seems to be a convenient excuse to look down on those who don't agree with you. I'll pass.



Being an EX national socialist, your fixation on national socialists is understandable. Not being one myself means I neither share your history nor your fixation.

Try a different tack.



Or around a circle, as the case may be.



Not inherently so, no. That would be an emotional position.



The same way I can hold such a life as more valuable than that of a random stranger... you, for example.




A complete breakdown in logic, based on shoddy reasoning, which renders everything from this point onward meaningless.

Allow me the chance to attempt to explain your error: you think that because life is not inherently valuable, that it has no value at all.

This is nonsense.

Life has the value that we place upon it. Even if I were to believe that you hold all life as inherently "sacred" -- and I already know you don't -- I'm under no obligation to accept your value system as my own.

What follows is bad sophistry based on a fatally flawed premise. But for the sake of entertainment, continue.




Wasn't it someone who bore a striking resemblance to yourself who suggested that rapists should be executed to deter other rapists? Seems like you've deemed them an "inconvenience."



Ah, nothing quite like the emotional impact of Godwin's Law. When all else fails... it will too.



You would have to get my beliefs correct before you can base anything on them.

Thus far, you have failed.

I've been quite direct, actually. Your posts begin with a fatal flaw in logic which I'm always glad to point out and explain, which leads to an emotional tirade which I comment on for the entertainment value.

Nice and straightforward, don't you think?

i must admit

Amazing job at derailing

Everything that needed said was said in the original posts

ill leave you all with this

it is not the fault or choice of the life to be in the womb

Naturally it takes 2 people to make the choice to do the action that leads to pregnancy

if you do something you should be responsible for it

Thought that was tought at a early age but apparently not

This idea we should be able to walk around doing whatever we wish without ever taking responsibility is the idea of adults who want to stay children

 

[Gregory95]

By derail i mean diverting from what i originally said

i must admit

Amazing job at derailing

Everything that needed said was said in the original posts

ill leave you all with this

it is not the fault or choice of the life to be in the womb

Naturally it takes 2 people to make the choice to do the action that leads to pregnancy

if you do something you should be responsible for it

Thought that was tought at a early age but apparently not

This idea we should be able to walk around doing whatever we wish without ever taking responsibility is the idea of adults who want to stay children

 

[TLK Valentine]

i must admit

Amazing job at derailing

Everything that needed said was said in the original posts

ill leave you all with this

it is not the fault or choice of the life to be in the womb

Naturally it takes 2 people to make the choice to do the action that leads to pregnancy

if you do something you should be responsible for it

Thought that was tought at a early age but apparently not

This idea we should be able to walk around doing whatever we wish without ever taking responsibility is the idea of adults who want to stay children

This is not the first time you've promised to leave... will it be the last?