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O good grief!
The Greek word 'naos' (Strong's no. 3485) is also translated as "temple" about the literal physical temple in Jerusalem in Christ's day and before, in many Scriptures, too many for me to take time to list here.
Matt 27:5
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple (naos), and departed, and went and hanged himself.
KJV
But what 2 Thess 2 and Rev 11 say, do not relate to the 2nd Temple.Neither passage mentions a 'rebuilding' of a future temple. When 2 thessalonians 2:4 was written, there was already a temple building standing in Jerusalem.
Revelation 11:1 clearly refers to the olivet discourse, which is about the 1st century standing temple that was to be destroyed.
Do you believe in 2 different times of the gentiles, where Jerusalem is trampled down?
Luke 21:24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
But what 2 Thess 2 and Rev 11 say, do not relate to the 2nd Temple.
Luke 21:24 is a prophecy about the Roman conquest and how Jerusalem will be inhabited by ungodly people and still is today.
Revelation 11:3 refers to the period of the Great Tribulation; the final 43 months before Jesus Returns.
Your rash and unsupported preterist assumptions, lead you discount the information and warnings that God has given us. We who face dramatic and earth shaking times, as the climax of the ages comes upon us all.
Your attitude is just as 2 Peter 3:1-6 tells us. A flat out denial that you personally will have to experience trials and testing.
We Christians should not be taken by surprise by what the Lord will do when an attempt is made to fire nuke missiles into the holy Land. Zechariah 5:1-4, Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83
None of this precludes the building of a new Temple.Jesus never went to the second temple?? Or, Jesus is NOW the temple? I doubt Jewish people will return to animal sacrifice.
The building of the third Temple under Emperor Julian was destroyed by fire and earthquake.
Many prophesies have a partial fulfilment, then a later final fulfilment.42 months refers to the period from 66 AD to 70 AD...
The judgment was upon the apostate Israel (Matt. 19:28; Luke 21:22-23, 32; Luke 22:30) during AD 66-70 which last for 42 months (3 and half years).
Many prophesies have a partial fulfilment, then a later final fulfilment.
But in this case, I don't see it, as the 42 months of Rev 11:2 , also relates to the 1260 days of Rev 12:6, which will be the Great Tribulation; the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.
Do you have accurate historical proof of the Roman conquest lasting for exactly 1260 days?
So now your saying that Hadrians conquest in 135 AD, was the fulfilment of Rev 11:2?Hadrian wouldn't let the Jews bury their dead. The bodies lay in the street.
So now your saying that Hadrians conquest in 135 AD, was the fulfilment of Rev 11:2?
No proof of the 1260 days then?No.. I said:
From the time Daniel wrote about the persecutions of Antiochus IV through the terrible Maccabean Revolt, thru the second Jewish war and the destruction of the Temple right on thru the time of Emperor Hadrian was all about terror and persecution and deprivation.
Revelation 11:2 2But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.
They (the gentiles) did trample Jerusalem for 42 months.. They being the zealots, Idumeans and Galileans.
No proof of the 1260 days then?
Note; that the Zealots and Galileans were Jews.
Your claim that Rev 11 was fulfilled just doesn't wash. That there was terror, etc, in the early BC/AD period, in no way precludes it happening again, as the prophesies tell us.
But they were still ethnic Jews.Yes.. We call them Jews, but the Jews called them gentiles and savage beasts
But they were still ethnic Jews.
How are the ethnic Jews of today any different? And why should God redeem them?
Jesus calls them: members of the synagogue of Satan. Rev 3:9
But what 2 Thess 2 and Rev 11 say, do not relate to the 2nd Temple.
Luke 21:24 is a prophecy about the Roman conquest and how Jerusalem will be inhabited by ungodly people and still is today.
Revelation 11:3 refers to the period of the Great Tribulation; the final 43 months before Jesus Returns.
Your rash and unsupported preterist assumptions, lead you discount the information and warnings that God has given us.
Your attitude is just as 2 Peter 3:1-6 tells us. A flat out denial that you personally will have to experience trials and testing.
We Christians should not be taken by surprise by what the Lord will do when an attempt is made to fire nuke missiles into the holy Land. Zechariah 5:1-4, Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83
But what 2 Thess 2 and Rev 11 say, do not relate to the 2nd Temple.
Luke 21:24 is a prophecy about the Roman conquest and how Jerusalem will be inhabited by ungodly people and still is today.
Revelation 11:3 refers to the period of the Great Tribulation; the final 43 months before Jesus Returns.
Your rash and unsupported preterist assumptions, lead you discount the information and warnings that God has given us. We who face dramatic and earth shaking times, as the climax of the ages comes upon us all.
Your attitude is just as 2 Peter 3:1-6 tells us. A flat out denial that you personally will have to experience trials and testing.
We Christians should not be taken by surprise by what the Lord will do when an attempt is made to fire nuke missiles into the holy Land. Zechariah 5:1-4, Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83
Eschatological bias drives one's interpretation of scripture. I'll stick with the apostles teaching of OT scripture over modern day personal interpretations of revelation .
You didn't "correct" me on anything, so I'm not sure what you are "correcting" me on. My argument was that Zechariah 12:10, only the part of "they shall look on him whom they have pierced, found literal and not symbolic fulfillment, during Jesus' crucifixion, as stated in John 19:37.
Good grief indeed.
In what supporting instances did Paul refer to a physical temple?
You cannot isolate Greek 'naos' to your own liking, which is an attempt to change the context of Scripture.
And your suggestion is to wrongly infer Greek naos being a word that doesn't mean the historical traditional physical temple in Jerusalem. However it is also used to point to the literal physical temple in Jerusalem.
I prefer to cover both Old and New Testament Books, letting God's Word interpret God's Word (Matthew 13:51-52).
Yes, I corrected you on that Zech.12 interpretation, for that prophecy is for AFTER Jesus has returned, which is still future to us. You tried to place that in the past, which is wrong. Those who pierced Him on the cross is pointing to unbelieving Jews at His 1st coming indeed, but their mourning Him is about His 2nd coming which is still future, and that is the actual timing context of that Zech.12:10 verse. So yes, I corrected you, because your interpretation placed that future event in the past. I'd say that's a habit one can fall into with following doctrines of men like Preterism; after a while you don't realize you're applying their doctrine to just about everything.
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