Should the 19th Amendment Be Repealed?

[BCP1928]

No fault divorce was Roman law. I don't recall Jesus speaking against it. But I think what we have here is nothing but the usual confusion between the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and civil marriage. They are distinct. No fault divorce only can disolve civil marriage and has no effect on Canon law.

 

[JosephZ]

It’s not.

It is.

A teacher in Boston, where housing costs are too high for him to buy one on his salary rents a condo and can't vote, while a teacher in rural Ohio who has a home sitting on a 1/4 acre piece of land can. Is that fair?

In Boston, approximately 65% of its residents are renters. Restricting voting to property owners disenfranchises 65% of that cities residents.

 

[Bradskii]

I got the point but what this small minority wants is not going to go anywhere.

The problem is that it is being discussed at all. There might well be small minority in favour of things that are absolutely not going to happen. But we're now starting from a bar at a height that could not be conceived even a few years ago. So if we move from things that are impossible to happen down through things that could never really happen to things that don't seem possible down to things that surely wouldn't be considered, then the number of people actually considering them are increasing.

So if it's suggested that we should not let women have the vote any more, then that is clearly nonsensical. If it's then suggested that we should restrict it to people with property then there's a temptation to say 'Well, at least that's not as crazy'.

But yes it is.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The problem is that it is being discussed at all.

And we are in a time of absurdity. Anything is possible,. Even Matt Gaetz as attorney General. Nothing is off the table anymore.

 

[Zaha Torte]

And surely not gays either. I know my bible. So you've no problem with people it describes as abominable voting and holding office? This has already extended to men who own property. I want to see how further it might go.

Something of a Pandora's box here (alhough she woudn't be able to vote anyway).

Why do you believe that God considers the Man to be the Head of the Woman?

 

[Zaha Torte]

This is a perfect example of why we need to talk more about our biblical hermeneutic. The Word of God perfectly clear on wearing wearing clothing made from a mixture of two different fabrics, such as wool and linen, in Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11. and Leviticus 19:19: "You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed". Deuteronomy 22:9: "Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard; if you do, not only the crops you plant but also the fruit of the vineyard will be defiled".
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The Law of Moses contained Moral, Ceremonial and Social Laws and only ancient Israel covenants to keep those Laws.

The Moral Laws are all that apply universally and to us today.

 

[trophy33]

The Law of Moses contained Moral, Ceremonial and Social and only ancient Israel covenants to keep those Laws.

The Moral Laws are all that apply universally and to us today.

I would argue that even the moral laws of the Mosaic Law ceased. For example "eye for an eye", divorce laws and many others. Only few still stand, are universal or for the modern era.

 

[Bradskii]

Why do you believe that God considers the Man to be the Head of the Woman?

Check my details on the left. I'm an atheist. I don't put much weight into what patriarchal societies thought of the position of women in the bronze age. Which doesn't have much to do with the fact that my wife has just as much right to decide who she wants to run our country as I do. And to even have to point that out deep into the 21st century shows that something is seriously going wrong.

To be honest, things might work out a lot better if we (the men that is) entrusted them ( the women that is) with running the whole box and dice in any case. As opposed to most of us spending a lot of mental and physical energy metaphorically butting heads trying to show everyone who the top dog is. An often somewhat pathetic clown show which you can see in any bar, sports stadium, conference room or political arena you'd care to examine. They could leave us to our testosterone fuelled posturing and run society for the betterment of all. As opposed to reverting to various texts from a couple of millennia ago which you seems to think gives me some sort of control over what my wife can and cannot do.

If you want to run your life by interpreting the bible as you see fit, then be my guest. Maybe you don't mix cotton with wool garments. Maybe you don't sweep the yard and pick up sticks on the sabbath. I really don't mind at all. Just don't think that it applies to anyone else.

 

[trophy33]

They could leave us to our testosterone fuelled posturing and run society for the betterment of all.

Why do you think that the testosterone energy is worse for leading than the four fundamental mood swings women experience every month?

The influence of testosterone on men is much more stable, if the man is healthy.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I would argue that even the moral laws of the Mosaic Law ceased. For example "eye for an eye", divorce laws and many others. Only few still stand, are universal or for the modern era.

The Moral Law of Justice has not ceased - I would argue that the application of this Law was Social.

 

[trophy33]

The Moral Law of Justice has not ceased - I would argue that the application of this Law was Social.

If you mean the "eye for an eye", than this moral law ceased in every civilized society and is being interpreted only figuratively. Never literally. The OT application was literal, though.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Check my details on the left. I'm an atheist. I don't put much weight into what patriarchal societies thought of the position of women in the bronze age. Which doesn't have much to do with the fact that my wife has just as much right to decide who she wants to run our country as I do. And to even have to point that out deep into the 21st century shows that something is seriously going wrong.

To be honest, things might work out a lot better if we (the men that is) entrusted them ( the women that is) with running the whole box and dice in any case. As opposed to most of us spending a lot of mental and physical energy metaphorically butting heads trying to show everyone who the top dog is. An often somewhat pathetic clown show which you can see in any bar, sports stadium, conference room or political arena you'd care to examine. They could leave us to our testosterone fuelled posturing and run society for the betterment of all. As opposed to reverting to various texts from a couple of millennia ago which you seems to think gives me some sort of control over what my wife can and cannot do.

If you want to run your life by interpreting the bible as you see fit, then be my guest. Maybe you don't mix cotton with wool garments. Maybe you don't sweep the yard and pick up sticks on the sabbath. I really don't mind at all. Just don't think that it applies to anyone else.

Thank you for sharing your opinion - but would you mind answering my question now?

I have been answering all of yours.

 

[Bradskii]

Why do you think that the testosterone energy is worse...

Because it exacerbates our tendencies.

 

[trophy33]

Because it exacerbates our tendencies.

If one lacks self-control, yes. Competitiveness, masculine energy can be used both for good and bad, thats for sure.

 

[Bradskii]

Thank you for sharing your opinion - but would you mind answering my question now?

I have been answering all of yours.

I have no interest in why a god in which I don't believe might consider a man to be the 'head of the woman'. It only has relevance to your views, so why you're asking me I have no idea. You are entitled to your views on the relationship of men and women in a marriage and I'm sure you'll have some ideas on why you think it should be the case. Presumably because 'it is written'.

 

[Bradskii]

If one lacks self-control, yes.

No, it does do that whether you have self control or not. Whether you act on those tendencies depends on self control.

 

[Bradskii]

I have been answering all of yours.

And actually you haven't. I asked you about people that God says are abominable and whether in your opinion they should be allowed to vote. And I also asked you if women who have been selected by the president for senior positions in the administration should, in your opinion, be removed from those positions. Or are you suggesting that they can hold those positions but not actually vote for the man who put them there.

I think they'd need to know.

 

[trophy33]

No, it does do that whether you have self control or not. Whether you act on those tendencies depends on self control.

If you do not act on your bad tendencies, then its not relevant for this conversation about leadership.

 

[Bradskii]

If you do not act on your bad tendencies, then its not relevant for this conversation about leadership.

What is completely irrelevant is having a discussion about whether women should vote. I'm only here because I have an almost morbid interest in seeing how far the arguments can go in support of it.

 

[trophy33]

What is completely irrelevant is having a discussion about whether women should vote. I'm only here because I have an almost morbid interest in seeing how far the arguments can go in support of it.

I was only reacting to your statement that you would prefer the society to be run by women, because of our testosterone.